BOB 'Completely Reworking' Pats Offense

[Kasmir]

If Patricia and Judge were a temporary stopgap and the plan was to hire BOB the next year, why would they try to alter the offense so radically? (Also: was the process of interviewing for OC just a sham?)

Maybe Patricia/Judge were try-harding to demonstrate they deserved the jobs permanently, i.e. taking lots of risk with major changes intended to show (with their success) that they deserved the jobs permanently by being even better than McDaniels.

 

[Kasmir]

I don't get why this fanbase is in such dire need of external validation on Mac Jones. At this stage of his career he is what he is, an okay-ish NFL QB. Let's see how it shakes out, but why would anyone be excited to work with him at this point in his development? What would warrant that?

Maybe being historically great at Alabama and in his rookie season?

 

[Tunescribe]

I’m assuming the meme was me being a wet blanket? Or did I misread that? Then if so, how am I praising the hire but also being a wet blanket?

I dunno, ask @n6249c

 

[All3Phases]

I dunno, ask @n6249c

I did, and you answered with a meme…so I figured you knew since you responded. Thanks for clarifying that you also have no idea what’s going on

 

[Tunescribe]

I did, and you answered with a meme…so I figured you knew since you responded. Thanks for clarifying that you also have no idea what’s going on

It's not that hard to figure out: he said you were being a wet blanket, you said that didn't compute so I offered the illustration (not a meme). Your response to my post is what made no sense, you still haven't explained it.

 

[All3Phases]

It's not that hard to figure out: he said you were being a wet blanket, you said that didn't compute so I offered the illustration (not a meme). Your response to my post is what made no sense, you still haven't explained it.

What didn’t make sense to you? Me asking how liking the hiring is being a wet blanket?

Or do I need to heap unnecessary praise on it for something that hasn’t happened yet and has no history of happening?

 

[n1997y]

"Maybe unfortunate looking back, but we really didn't ....." "I now see that it would have been great, but" "Knowing what I now know,..."

It is very easy to say nothing while being honest and positive.

It fit the clean slate theme, though.

I agree about taking it at face value and not looking for hidden meanings. Great advice.

Having said that, BOB was dismissive with facial expressions about previously working with Mac. He easily could have been more diplomatic but chose not to. It even looked like he had previously thought about, or practiced, his answer. It is hard not to ask why.

simple. It’s about controlling the narrative. just like politicians they all have points they want to make, a message to deliver. They’ll practice their response to foreseeable questions that are not on point for their message, specifically how to deflect them and return to their script. Even saying empty words that sound nice is to be avoided if it is not on point. The point is not Mac. The point is the TEAM and the way the coaches are building it.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Yeah it was really… just blank. Kind of starting to wonder again if there’s a chance he gets traded between now and draft night.

It really depends on the compensation. I can guarantee you if a 1st rounder was on the table Mac Jones would be gone right now. Maybe BB is holding out for a 2nd or a 2nd plus a conditional pick? Definitely doesn't sound like he is liking Mac Jones as his starting QB right now.

 

[Ross12]

It really depends on the compensation. I can guarantee you if a 1st rounder was on the table Mac Jones would be gone right now. Maybe BB is holding out for a 2nd or a 2nd plus a conditional pick? Definitely doesn't sound like he is liking Mac Jones as his starting QB right now.

Seems like teams who might trade for Mac may also be thinking about trading up for a QB and are probably weighing their options. Not every team that wants a QB will necessarily get one. Part-way into day 1 once the prices are set, the picks have passed, and/or the QBs have been taken, those teams may come calling and be more willing to part with their 2nd round pick.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I agree about taking it at face value and not looking for hidden meanings. Great advice.

Having said that, BOB was dismissive with facial expressions about previously working with Mac. He easily could have been more diplomatic but chose not to. It even looked like he had previously thought about, or practiced, his answer. It is hard not to ask why.

I don't think there is anything to read into this beyond the fact that BOB is not going to talk about last year in any way, shape or form. Starting with a clean sheet works on all levels, including that there will be no repercussions for players who spoke out or underperformed. I am sure everyone from BB to the ball boy is ready to focus on 2023.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I am sure everyone from BB to the ball boy is ready to focus on 2023.

Let's hope you are right. That would be great.

 

[Tunescribe]

What didn’t make sense to you? Me asking how liking the hiring is being a wet blanket?

Or do I need to heap unnecessary praise on it for something that hasn’t happened yet and has no history of happening?

I think this is a conversation you're better off having with yourself to figure out.

 

[DaBruinz]

What didn’t make sense to you? Me asking how liking the hiring is being a wet blanket?

Or do I need to heap unnecessary praise on it for something that hasn’t happened yet and has no history of happening?

There is your problem. This idea that you have that B'OB hasn't had a dynamic offense previously. You clearly weren't around for his 1st stint with the Pats.

B'OB's offense was top ten in PTs and Yards from 2008-2011. They utilized the 2TE set to perfection starting in 2010.. Keep in mind the following:

2009 - The Pats RB situation was a mediocre Mish-mash. The Pats used 3WR sets a lot because of Welker and Moss.
2010- Pats changed their focus to being a 2 TE base with the additions of Gronk and A.H. They excelled despite losing Kevin Faulk for the season and shipping Moss out mid-season after he grew unhappy.
2011 - Pats used the 2 TE base lethally. Their run game was mediocre because they lost Kevin Faulk and Shane Vereen didn't play much despite the team losing Faulk.
Only someone who didn't actually see the offenses that were run would say that they weren't dynamic and that B'OB has no history of having such offenses.

But please. Continue to show everyone you don't know what you're talking about. It gives credence to everyone else who responds to you.

 

[Bill Lee]

Considering every team has an OC, would you take that as every one of them being attracted to the QB situation at the time the contract was signed? BOB wanted back into the NFL, he has familiarity with the team, the offense was such garbage last year that pretty much anything he throws out there will be an improvement and considering how strongly Kraft affirmed in the immediate aftermath of the season that changes would be made in the coaching staff, my guess is he made BOB a very attractive offer in order to give fans some assurance the FO wouldn't stand for a repetition of 2022. Why does Mac Jones have to be a huge part of this equation?

I don't get why this fanbase is in such dire need of external validation on Mac Jones. At this stage of his career he is what he is, an okay-ish NFL QB. Let's see how it shakes out, but why would anyone be excited to work with him at this point in his development? What would warrant that?

Reiss's reporting on BOB's first presser as OC echos all of this. He came here because of strong ownership (take that, trolls, and possibly a shot at HOU), strong organization, and wanting to be back in his home region. Almost nothing was said about any player, QB or otherwise, except repeating "clean slate" several times.

PS: Clean slate? Geez, even I didn't have a slate in school, and I'm a geezer.

 

[All3Phases]

There is your problem. This idea that you have that B'OB hasn't had a dynamic offense previously. You clearly weren't around for his 1st stint with the Pats.

*without Brady, as mentioned in my posts previously. Kind of a big piece missing

B'OB's offense was top ten in PTs and Yards from 2008-2011. They utilized the 2TE set to perfection starting in 2010.. Keep in mind the following:

2009 - The Pats RB situation was a mediocre Mish-mash. The Pats used 3WR sets a lot because of Welker and Moss.
2010- Pats changed their focus to being a 2 TE base with the additions of Gronk and A.H. They excelled despite losing Kevin Faulk for the season and shipping Moss out mid-season after he grew unhappy.
2011 - Pats used the 2 TE base lethally. Their run game was mediocre because they lost Kevin Faulk and Shane Vereen didn't play much despite the team losing Faulk.
Only someone who didn't actually see the offenses that were run would say that they weren't dynamic and that B'OB has no history of having such offenses.

But please. Continue to show everyone you don't know what you're talking about. It gives credence to everyone else who responds to you.

They were dynamic, as were all offenses led by Brady...Now do his offenses without Brady. Ill wait

 

[Love The Drake]

Levis is in town today due diligence?
Or are they considering completely revamping the offense around a dynamic athlete?
They would have to move to 3 more than likely.

 

[Sicilian]

Reiss's reporting on BOB's first presser as OC echos all of this. He came here because of strong ownership (take that, trolls, and possibly a shot at HOU), strong organization, and wanting to be back in his home region. Almost nothing was said about any player, QB or otherwise, except repeating "clean slate" several times.

PS: Clean slate? Geez, even I didn't have a slate in school, and I'm a geezer.

Yeah, he was pretty consistent when talking (or not talking) about players. Difference was he, for obvious reasons, got more direct questions about Mac Jones rather than the other players on the offense, so the rhetoric stood out a little more.

 

[Sicilian]

Levis is in town today due diligence?
Or are they considering completely revamping the offense around a dynamic athlete?
They would have to move to 3 more than likely.

Diligence would be my guess, but more for if he were to fall to 14. I think even if they're still high on (or at least optimistic) about Mac, they have to know this is the year they have to make a long term decision on him. So you want to make sure, if a QB falls to your lap at 14, would it be a guy you don't want to pass up. From what I've read of Levis he doesn't seem like their type, but he's also the most likely of any of the top 4 guys to fall, so it's worth a visit.

 

[patfanken]

Diligence would be my guess, but more for if he were to fall to 14. I think even if they're still high on (or at least optimistic) about Mac, they have to know this is the year they have to make a long term decision on him. So you want to make sure, if a QB falls to your lap at 14, would it be a guy you don't want to pass up. From what I've read of Levis he doesn't seem like their type, but he's also the most likely of any of the top 4 guys to fall, so it's worth a visit.

I believe Levis IS falling as teams dive deeper into his tape. I also believe that Levis is in the Richardson category of "great athlete", unfinished QB who will need time. When you draft one of THESE types of QB, you are hoping to get a Josh Allen or even Lamar, but you can also end up getting Trey Lance or the Jets version of Geno Smith.

Then you run into the problem of what to do with them, Do you sit them, OR are you willing to deal with the crap that comes from playing them, thinking, 'he's going to get better faster if he is one the field'.

Now I'll add two more possibilities to discuss if QB is still your focus.

1. What do you do if in the 2nd round Hendon Hooker is still on the board. Here you have a very productive AND athletic QB who many believe is the best pure pocket QB in this draft and would have been a top 3 pick if he hadn't been injured. He'd be MY pick if the Pats were to use THIS strategy. I believe Mac will prove to be a capable NFL starter this year and the offense will be MUCH better. Sit Hooker for 2023, increase Mac's trade value, then move Mac after the season for for a top 40 pick +. Now you have a QB who can be an All pro with a year of seasoning under his belt and in a year where we would be likely VERY active win the FA to add talent around him.

2. Surprised we haven't had a "should we trade Mac straight up for Trey Lance" thread yet.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I think the Levi thing might also be so that if a team wants him and sees him falling, they might be willing to trade up with NE, thereby allowing NE to trade down, which is what they really want.