BOB 'Completely Reworking' Pats Offense

[Lagaffe_07]

How about you turn it down because you're not qualified for the job and have no chance of making it work?

Patricia not only FAILED at running the Patriots offense in 2022, but he did such a HORRIBLE job he's gonna have trouble finding new work in the future outside of BB feeling pity on him and rehiring a couple years down the road so he doesn't have to bag groceries anymore.

What are you on?

i wasn’t talking about Patricia at all. I was responding to the fact that BOB wanted to come here and was interested to work with Mac. I was just pointing out the fact that it was the perfect situation for BOB or for any OC. It’s a win-win situation. If BOB can turn Mac around he will again in the run for a HC job and if can’t turn Mac around it will not be his fault it will be because Mac can’t play.

By the way Patricia signed with the Eagles.

 

[DaBruinz]

Kind of a ridiculous argument for him. Either way even if BOB is mediocre. He's an actual OC with actual offensive experience vs the two bozos winging it last year.

That alone should show improvement

To be fair, both had offensive experience. Patricia spent time under Scarnecchia and Judge was the QB Coach as well as the HC with the Giants. But, I agree otherwise. Patricia and Judge over-sold and underperformed. They never should have been allowed to try and implement some of Shanahan's Outside Zone concepts. Had they stuck to what was already in the play-book, they'd have been marginally better off and likely wouldn't have alienated some of the players.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Since you're being generous, please tell us of an NFL team whose decisions you like.

That would be whoever won the Lombardi last year.

 

[Bill Lee]

Maybe being historically great at Alabama and in his rookie season?

It helps that he had historically great WRs at Alabama: DaVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle, Henry Ruggs and Jerry Jeudy.

Personally, I don't see him as "historically great", just "historically very good", but don't see why he won't return to that form this season.

Our, WR, TE and OL aren't "historically great" so he will have his challenges.

 

[Joker]

there's billowing smoke in our local media about this Mac/BB brouhaha...some insisting the Pats are about to take a QB in round 1. Baldinger seems convinced we are taking a WR at 14 but also mentions this smoke swirling coast to coast among the NFL cognoscenti....I find this extremely disconcerting. Either way it pans out is NOT going to be very good for this season IMO.

 

[n1997y]

there's billowing smoke in our local media about this Mac/BB brouhaha...some insisting the Pats are about to take a QB in round 1. Baldinger seems convinced we are taking a WR at 14 but also mentions this smoke swirling coast to coast among the NFL cognoscenti....I find this extremely disconcerting. Either way it pans out is NOT going to be very good for this season IMO.

I think it’s routine, and great. Keeps the rest of the league totally unsure what to expect. That’s both strategic and tactical advantage. It’s also classic BB. Which I say realizing I’m waving a red flag that will incite many on here.

 

[Joker]

I share your optimism to a point but...I get that sinking feeling we are trading down and a haunting fear he'll pick a safety with our first pick just to FU to the media. Bill doesn't care about the fanbase, he only cares about doing what HE wants to do. Period. IF, and it's still an if, the Jets get the Discount Double Dork in the fold, we will be going into the 2023 season with the worst QB group in the division. Now IF this smoke turns out to be a real thing, we may be moving UP in this draft. The how would have to include some kind of Mac move for extra draft capital. Who knows at this point...I just don't feel very good about any of this.

 

[Kasmir]

And Zappe was historically great his senior year in college had 21/2 great games as a rookie and struggled in his third when he came off the bench to cover for Mac who was playing like complete dog crap. Doesn’t mean much for this year.

I was answering the rhetorical question of why anyone still believes in Mac. That doesn't mean Mac will succeed in the NFL but his Alabama and rookie NFL seasons were impressive enough that not everyone is ready to bail on him like you have.

Zappe did indeed do well at Western Kentucky and set FBS records. That is indeed also reason for some to not give up on Zappe.

 

[Kasmir]

I share your optimism to a point but...I get that sinking feeling we are trading down and a haunting fear he'll pick a safety with our first pick just to FU to the media. Bill doesn't care about the fanbase, he only cares about doing what HE wants to do. Period. IF, and it's still an if, the Jets get the Discount Double Dork in the fold, we will be going into the 2023 season with the worst QB group in the division. Now IF this smoke turns out to be a real thing, we may be moving UP in this draft. The how would have to include some kind of Mac move for extra draft capital. Who knows at this point...I just don't feel very good about any of this.

LOL Bill is not going to make a draft pick just to f*ck with the media.

 

[Kasmir]

It helps that he had historically great WRs at Alabama: DaVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle, Henry Ruggs and Jerry Jeudy.

Personally, I don't see him as "historically great", just "historically very good", but don't see why he won't return to that form this season.

Our, WR, TE and OL aren't "historically great" so he will have his challenges.

Setting NCAA records (completion % and QBR) is by definition historic. Tua basically had the same receivers at Alabama but didn't set those records yet was 2nd in the NFL in DVOA last year (when not concussed). There is still reason for optimism about Mac's upside.

But I agree that there is great uncertainty of what we'll see from Mac this year.

 

[n1997y]

I share your optimism to a point but...I get that sinking feeling we are trading down and a haunting fear he'll pick a safety with our first pick just to FU to the media. Bill doesn't care about the fanbase, he only cares about doing what HE wants to do. Period. IF, and it's still an if, the Jets get the Discount Double Dork in the fold, we will be going into the 2023 season with the worst QB group in the division. Now IF this smoke turns out to be a real thing, we may be moving UP in this draft. The how would have to include some kind of Mac move for extra draft capital. Who knows at this point...I just don't feel very good about any of this.

I agree. One thing that seems a safe bet. Bill is going to do what he wants to do. I just think that what he wants most to do is to field a winning football team. It seems he consistently acts like the way to do that is defy conventional wisdom. So I’d expect that as soon as he’s expected to draft a safety he’ll grab a first round OL. Or some such curve ball. Only way to tell is to wait and see. Meanwhile let’s hope for the best!

 

[All3Phases]

Kind of a ridiculous argument for him. Either way even if BOB is mediocre. He's an actual OC with actual offensive experience vs the two bozos winging it last year.

That alone should show improvement

I always said it’d be an improvement, and that I actually liked the hire. I just pointed out that he’s not going to magically transform the offense into an explosive offense Just from his presence. Mr Bruinz just can’t read

 

[DaBruinz]

I always said it’d be an improvement, and that I actually liked the hire. I just pointed out that he’s not going to magically transform the offense into an explosive offense Just from his presence. Mr Bruinz just can’t read

There you go projecting your own issues on other people. The person with reading comprehension and lying issues is you. You flat out said that B'OB's offense was mediocre. Trying to walk back your BS now when it's quoted numerous time for everyone to see is ridiculous. You're just butt hurt because you spewed BS, got called out on it, and show you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.

 

[VJCPatriot]

By the way Patricia signed with the Eagles.

Good, maybe he'll sabotage them from the inside!

 

[All3Phases]

There you go projecting your own issues on other people. The person with reading comprehension and lying issues is you. You flat out said that B'OB's offense was mediocre. Trying to walk back your BS now when it's quoted numerous time for everyone to see is ridiculous. You're just butt hurt because you spewed BS, got called out on it, and show you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.

They have been mediocre, factually without Brady. Go back and read the thread, I’ve said It before you started crying. That also doesn’t mean he isn’t a professional who will help improve the team. It’s more a reflection on how much of a joke they were last year

I also thought you muted me, can’t get enough big boy?

 

[rochrist]

They have been mediocre, factually without Brady. Go back and read the thread, I’ve said It before you started crying. That also doesn’t mean he isn’t a professional who will help improve the team. It’s more a reflection on how much of a joke they were last year

I also thought you muted me, can’t get enough big boy?

 

[All3Phases]

If you keep posting this maybe Bruinz will stop responding

 

[Bill Lee]

You a poo-poo haid!
Nah, you a poo-poo haid!

 

[Wozzy]

Ken, I usually agree with you, but I think you are dead wrong. I think the plan for Patricia was always to make him the permanent OC. It makes no sense for them to use him and Judge as place holders for O'Brien and then complete change the offense to something that O'Brien was never going to use.

If they were really looking for an one year place holder for O'Brien, they would have promoted Nick Caley to OC. The guy has eleven years of offensive coaching experience and has been in the Patriots system on offense since 2015. He would have been the perfect one year place holder because he knows the offense and could have been a seamless transition from McDaniels without radical changes to the offense. And his contract was up at the end of last season. So he could have done his year and moved on with no drama.

I believe the reports that Belichick was concerned about giving someone the job and being successful and bolting quickly only to have to be forced to find another OC. Now I don't think he decided to go with Patricia because he knew he would suck. I think he underestimated how hard it is to be an OC, but knew Patricia was loyal and wouldn't bolt quickly after one successful season.

Matt Patricia was a short team solution at O/C because the Detroit Lions were paying his salary.

If Bill O’Brien is handed the head coaching job when BB steps down, then he was clearly the plan all along and they just needed another season for him to be free of his Alabama obligations.

I have no doubt the Kraft’s have spoken to Bill about a succession plan. Obie was probably Krafty’s hand picked successor… why? Because it’s a smart hire.

 

[jlu52]

Perfect example of a picture is worth a thousand words, a moving picture in this case. I wonder if the horse is as tired of this horseshit as I am. I'm much better off than the horse, though, it hasn't any choice in the matter.