Bills FA CB Stephon Gilmore signs 5-year deal w/New England

[DaBruinz]

Yes

So you think so little of Sean Payton to believe that.. SMH..

The only way Payton lets it happen if he wants to drive up the price of Cooks for someone other than the Patriots..

 

[JMC00]

A decent point idiot Volin just brought up is Gilmore has played for a different DC pretty much every year

Wannstedt in '12
Pettine in '13
Schwartz in '14
Ryan/Thurman in '15 and '16

 

[Ring 6]

i don't think it necessarily shows that BB prefers gilmore--we wouldn't know that for sure unless both were unrestricted free agents and BB chose gilmore.

what it shows is that BB wants to maximize the value of the RFA 1st-round tender, either by having butler under contract for an extra year at a big discount or by trading him for another valuable asset.
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Think what you want.
I think that if BB felt butler was a better corner he would keep him instead of paying 14 mill a year to bring in a FA.

 

[DaBruinz]

A decent point idiot Volin just brought up is Gilmore has played for a different DC pretty much every year

Wannstedt in '12
Pettine in '13
Schwartz in '14
Ryan/Thurman in '15 and '16

Patricia will make the 6th DC that Gilmore has had in the last 5 years.. I wonder how many terrible habits they'll have to break him of..

 

[bbobbo]

Think what you want.
I think that if BB felt butler was a better corner he would keep him instead of paying 14 mill a year to bring in a FA.

by "keep him" do you mean sign him to an extension instead of assigning the RFA 1st-round tender?
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[Sfpat]

As I just posted in the other thread, here's how it works according to @Miguel
1) Saints and Butler agree on long-term deal. Butler signs RFA tender. Patriots trade a signed Butler to Saints.
2) Saints and Butler then execute long-term deal. Patriots have no dead money. Pats' cap space is increased by about 3.4M.

I don't think the Saints and Butler necessarily need to agree on a long term contract. Pats can make the trade, and if Butler chooses to sign with someone else, Saints would have the option to match or receive a 1st.

 

[Ring 6]

A decent point idiot Volin just brought up is Gilmore has played for a different DC pretty much every year

Wannstedt in '12
Pettine in '13
Schwartz in '14
Ryan/Thurman in '15 and '16

A good question is the difference for a corner between playing in an aggressive system or a more passive system.

The aggressive system can cover for weaknesses by not making you cover as long when it works but kills you by leaving you exposed when it doesn't.

 

[maineman209]

I think his status goes with him QM, but is a common sense observation that knowledge of the rules. So IF BB loses his mind and makes this trade, Bulter would be a RFA with a first round tags. So it does not mean he's automatically in line for a raise.

My personal preference is that he stays under the RFA tag. The thought of having two standout CB's (and all the depth and flexibility that it causes) greatly outweighs the prospect of adding a WR to an already strong group. Not only would be be a great DB group, it would give the Jones boys another year to develop IF Butler goes after 2017.

Plan B would be to not match any offer for Butler and grab the #1 pick and us it on one of the solid CB prospects that will still be available in the 20's. It won't help much this year, but should work out long term.

I have no plan C, nor do I want one

BTW- if we want to add a different skill set to the WR's simply re-sign Michael Floyd.

IF the Pats can retain (slot corner) Ryan for around $11M-$12M, then trading Butler +#32 for Cooks +#42 makes more sense.

 

[DaBruinz]

IF the Pats can retain (slot corner) Ryan for around $11M-$12M, then trading Butler +#32 for Cooks +#42 makes more sense.

No it doesn't.. Cooks +2nd round pick is not worth 2- first round picks. No matter how you look at it..

Especially when it means cutting playing time for Mitchell.

 

[Uptown]

 

[archstanton543]

Isn't his named spelled "Stephon" and also not pronounced "Steven"?

 

[skinnydog]

Obviously you didn't see the combine. I like some of the wideouts in this draft.

some nice wideouts, but this is the best corner class in many years.

 

[Ring 6]

by "keep him" do you mean sign him to an extension instead of assigning the RFA 1st-round tender?
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Yes

 

[signbabybrady]

Isn't his named spelled "Stephon" and also not pronounced "Steven"?

 

[bigballas]

so here's what we have:

prior to this week:
* butler need a big money contract or play on tender. lets assume we gave him market contract
* 1st round pick
* Bennet

what we thought we wanted:
* butler on market contract
* cooks
* Bennet on big/market contract - extra 3rd round pick

what we could possibly have with butler trade:
* gillmore on market contract (gillmore equal to butler?)
* cooks
* still our 1st round pic
* dwayne allen




DAMN BILL...

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Oh man... guys... As if Andrew Brandt is sitting in the Saints front office right now. He's based in Philadelphia, PA.

You say that as if it's a bad thing...
Actually he heads up the Sports Law program at Villanova Law School....

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I don't think the Saints and Butler necessarily need to agree on a long term contract. Pats can make the trade, and if Butler chooses to sign with someone else, Saints would have the option to match or receive a 1st.

How can you trade a player you don't have under contract?

 

[DaBruinz]

How can you trade a player you don't have under contract?

Because you own the rights to said player by having tendered him an Restricted Free Agent offer.

That is how the Pats acquired Wes Welker.. They traded a 2nd and a 7th for Welker's rights and then signed him.

 

[karguy85]

Because you own the rights to said player by having tendered him an Restricted Free Agent offer.

That is how the Pats acquired Wes Welker.. They traded a 2nd and a 7th for Welker's rights and then signed him.

Can we trade Butler's rights and then sign him to an offer the Saints can't match? Theoretically?

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

im Happy for Gilmore

They mentioned he's having a child. I'm betting on a girl, a Gilmore Girl.