Bills FA CB Stephon Gilmore signs 5-year deal w/New England

[LightSkinSmurf]

If someone signs Butler and we don't match, does that effectively mean we traded Butler for Gilmore and got a first round pick as a bonus?

 

[DaBruinz]

If this does not work I would suggest moving on from Cooks and go after Desean Jackson for 2 year deal and keep Butler for one more year

Desean Jackson is signing with Tampa Bay..

 

[AtomicDawg]

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Awesome awesome awesomeeeeee

 

[Bruins29]

However if butler holds out and is ticked that puts a snag in that.

This keeps coming up. Its not happenning.

 

[bbobbo]

The last part says it all.
Objectively you probably value butler higher than NFL execs. BB just showed us he prefers Gilmore and I'm sure Gilmore wasn't in your top 5.

You can't negotiate trades emotionally.

i don't think it necessarily shows that BB prefers gilmore--we wouldn't know that for sure unless both were unrestricted free agents and BB chose gilmore.

what it shows is that BB wants to maximize the value of the RFA 1st-round tender, either by having butler under contract for an extra year at a big discount or by trading him for another valuable asset.
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[DaBruinz]

How does it work when a tendered player is traded? What does the receiving team actually get? Surely it doesn't make the player a UFA (no one would ever make the trade then). Does he stay an RFA with the tender the original team put on him? Does it wipe out the tender but give the receiving team the option to put on the tender of their choice? Or does NE have to sign him before they can trade him?

It's the same as it has always been. If a team trades for an RFA, then they get the RIGHTS to that player. Yes, the same tender stays there. Nothing changes other than who has the right to match.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Here are Gilmore highlights.

 

[DaBruinz]

I wonder how pissed off Cyrus is going to be when he has to give up that jersey number. At least he may cash in.

You're assuming that Gilmore will want that Jersey number..

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

HOLY F'ING F.

Don't EVER think you know what the Patriots are planning to do...lol.

I think one of the reasons this team is so surprising is because they and their players keep contracts, negotiations, and priorities a a secret at all times. So it's probable that these types of moves have been well known to many on the inside. Who knows? Maybe Butler's contract demands are just too high or something else is at play.

Regardless, most lists of the top 100 free agents had Gilmore in the top 10, well ahead of Ryan. It will be interesting to see if he is here due to Ryan's departure or also to Butler's future.

 

[ashley]

Wow, pleasantly surprised by the signing. Butler and Gilmore will be a good 1-2 combination.

 

[Angelpats]

But then people complain if the Pats don't sign top free agents. Then when they do it's about taking care of your own.

I'm not one of those people. For 14$ we can take care of Hightower and help extend butler. Guys that are in the system and buys into it. After adalius Thomas , high priced free agents leaves a bitter taste.

 

[Ross12]

I would want them to. Amendola is dependable and clutch. He is fully in the Brady circle of trust. You can't understate the value of that. Also he seems to show up big in the playoffs when it matters most.

I like Amendola too and I value his trust with Brady & beautiful clutch hands, but the fact is that he's simply got less upside/potential than Mitchell and probably lower on the depth chart. I hope he stays but I can see him getting let go easily.

 

[Grogan14]

Desean Jackson is signing with Tampa Bay..

That is too bad. I think BB and Mcdaniels may want to avoid Pats offense becoming too predictable with 4 very similar receivers in terms of speed (Amendola, Edelman, Mitchell and Hogan).
A true "burner" would really spread the field, decrease the press coverage and really give more options for Pats to become more consistent and explosive on offense.
Other than John Ross, not sure there is a real "burner" available in draft, so trade or free agency made most sense

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

That is too bad. I think BB and Mcdaniels may want to avoid Pats offense becoming too predictable with 4 very similar receivers in terms of speed (Amendola, Edelman, Mitchell and Hogan).
A true "burner" would really spread the field, decrease the press coverage and really give more options for Pats to become more consistent and explosive on offense.
Other than John Ross, not sure there is a real "burner" available in draft, so trade or free agency made most sense

Obviously you didn't see the combine. I like some of the wideouts in this draft.

 

[patfanken]

How does it work when a tendered player is traded? What does the receiving team actually get? Surely it doesn't make the player a UFA (no one would ever make the trade then). Does he stay an RFA with the tender the original team put on him? Does it wipe out the tender but give the receiving team the option to put on the tender of their choice? Or does NE have to sign him before they can trade him?

I think his status goes with him QM, but is a common sense observation that knowledge of the rules. So IF BB loses his mind and makes this trade, Bulter would be a RFA with a first round tags. So it does not mean he's automatically in line for a raise.

My personal preference is that he stays under the RFA tag. The thought of having two standout CB's (and all the depth and flexibility that it causes) greatly outweighs the prospect of adding a WR to an already strong group. Not only would be be a great DB group, it would give the Jones boys another year to develop IF Butler goes after 2017.

Plan B would be to not match any offer for Butler and grab the #1 pick and us it on one of the solid CB prospects that will still be available in the 20's. It won't help much this year, but should work out long term.

I have no plan C, nor do I want one

BTW- if we want to add a different skill set to the WR's simply re-sign Michael Floyd.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

As I just posted in the other thread, here's how it works according to @Miguel
1) Saints and Butler agree on long-term deal. Butler signs RFA tender. Patriots trade a signed Butler to Saints.
2) Saints and Butler then execute long-term deal. Patriots have no dead money. Pats' cap space is increased by about 3.4M.

 

[borg]

Butler/Gillmore vs Cooks/Gillmore, well, I'll take the Butler/Gillmore everyday of the week.

What we know about BB:
1) BB fears the mental state of players in a contract year....refer to Collins, Jones most recently
2) BB fears locker room disharmony and moves players at the first hint of locker room lawyering...refer to Moss and possibly Collins (most recently)
3) BB tiers salaries in position groups and has no history of paying big $$$ to multiple players in the same group
4) BB doesn't spend foolishly and paying a 2nd #1 corner to cover a #2 WR is an economic inefficiency
5) BB doesn't waste money on minimal production.....$6 mill Danny Amendola 2017 will soon learn this lesson.
6) BB and Brady value experienced WRs over rookies
7) BB values roster certainty....1 year of Butler vs 2 years of Cooks
8) BB understands the shelf life of slot WRs. Brown faded quickly, Welker concussions, Edelman aging
9) BB has money to set up his roster for more than just "next year"

PS....I still believe JG is a goner based on several "We know how BB operates" points listed above.
PSS...I also believe the Hightower resolution will impact how BB handles the JG conundrum. Losing Hightower...BB may need a starting caliber rookie who can be found at #12...IMHO

 

[upstater1]

Do you REALLY think that Payton would be talking trade where someone like Brandt could hear it? I don't.

Yes

 

[DaBruinz]

That is too bad. I think BB and Mcdaniels may want to avoid Pats offense becoming too predictable with 4 very similar receivers in terms of speed (Amendola, Edelman, Mitchell and Hogan).
A true "burner" would really spread the field, decrease the press coverage and really give more options for Pats to become more consistent and explosive on offense.
Other than John Ross, not sure there is a real "burner" available in draft, so trade or free agency made most sense

SMH.. You do realize that Hogan was like 3rd in the league in YPR, right? He's much faster than people give him credit for. And Mitchell isn't similar in terms of speed to Edelman and Amendola. Mitchell has faster straight-line speed than Edelman or Amendola.

The reason that the Patriots like having "similar" WRs is so that they don't have to worry about losing part of the play-book if someone goes down.

Hogan ended the season with a 17.9 YPR. He INCREASED that to 19.5 YPR in the Play-offs. There were only 2 players who had 20+ receptions ahead of Hogan when it came to YPR. Sammie Coats and Rob Gronkowski. That should tell you something right there.