How do you know he is as fast as anyone in the draft if he hasn’t run? He certainly was as fast as anyone in the draft. Beyond that you are taking a risk, slight though it may be, that he is all healed up.
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How do you know he is as fast as anyone in the draft if he hasn’t run? He certainly was as fast as anyone in the draft. Beyond that you are taking a risk, slight though it may be, that he is all healed up.
I share a lot of same thoughts and concerns. I don't have a 1st on him so I certainly wouldn't take him at 15.Your call
I wouldn't be surprised either unfortunately and it is the 1st round scenario i “fear“ the most.
Its hardly a missing piece or need and its not position of value to draft in the 1st unless its a special player like VW, VV . and you have him on the field 70-80% of the time (which happened only with VW). Normally Pats DTs have 50% snaps or less..
Malcom Brown (not comparing him to Barmore) was a solid starter for 4 years - yet it was arguably the least valuable use of 1st round pick over the last decade and more incl Harry. Guys like that are available every FA for a few M$.
Derek Wolfe was signed for 3y/12M.
So depends how highly you project him (bc there's still a lot of work with him) & how much playing time you'd give him..
but at #15 it would be a shame since its the rare time and probably the last last time under BB drafting so high so id hope for a value position.
I'm not worried about the injuries at all tbh and even less about his speed.
100%. I’ve been banging this drum for a little while now. He’s my draft binky at WR and I would love it if the Pats could pluck him late in the draft.
First off incredible work, very helpful to guys like me who watch zero college football but at least want to know names and why we like them. Just a personal philosophy of mine I don’t expect rookies to contribute much if at all, so short of a top 10 can’t miss superstar you have to have, I want to look at needs year 2. So I would actually be really happy drafting any of OT, LB, CB, or FS at 15 it’s more about getting a good starter then a particular need Just due to players at all of those spots being either old, or FA next year. So looking at your list I didn’t see safety’s split into the fast middle fielder type versus the small LB play up in the box type. I would love to get a guy who could study under McCourty for a year and be plan A for when he retires. Is there a guy like that in round 2-3? Same question for ILB in the Hightower mold. With it sounding like a deep O line draft I would be excited drafting 2 tackle types in the 4-7 round in the hopes one can be a solid starter with a year of seasoning. Any particular player that you could see with that potential?I'd like to use this thread to get a little more specific. Some think it's impossible to figure out what Bill will do. I know guys like Phil Perry and I'm sure others have a list of perfect pats or something like that.
I do the same but take it a step further and try to put a board together resembling what a big board would look like for us. I've always tried to highlight Patriot-Type Players/Prospects but the board gets more specific with who (prospects) & how much (value).
I put the it together using a combo athletic profile / testing, my opinion on who would fit here, where their value is and a little bit of need, current-future roster make-up.
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There's a horizontal & vertical board. The vertical board is "value groupings" inspired or coordinated. I'm going to do another vertical board at some point, more BPA inspired / coordinated but I think this is a pretty decent board. I'll try to cut down some. A few names might be added or subtracted but this is a good 90-95% done. It's not so much someone popping out of the woodwork at this point. There are sleepers anymore. Just making a case for who should be on/off.
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I'd like to use this thread to talk about who we want off the board. If someone isn't on that belongs on there please state your case, for or against. Doesn't have to be a pin-point presentation. I could be wrong or miss something.
Their fit here, usage - short & long term. Help me figure out who we need this year and next year.
Looking at that prospects, value, who would you be happy with for the first 3-4 picks for example?
What does the board tell you, how would you attack it with all our picks, needs and who's available?
I'm going to write up and drop some notes from prospects off the list. Please ask anything questions about any prospect, especially on the board.
Also here are my draft grades
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I'm only trading up for a QB. I would consider for Pitts bc he's so dynamic, young & talented. He's not just a TE or WR. I floated the idea of a 3TE set weeks ago with Pitts, Henry and Smith. All are so versatile I'd love to give it a shot. Each can win from the slot/X. Each can win inline, detached, backfield. It would be an absolute nightmare for defenses.
I guess i would be ok with Barmore if they trade down to 26 or later in that area and feel they can develop Barmore either into a consistent passing down threat or a three down linemen since he has nice size weight combination for that too. It depends of course how the board falls at 15 and who is willing to trade to 15..But this is one of my least favorite scenarios
Single high impact guys are rare nowadays. So much responsibility, range and trust in the open field.
Hightower is such a unique player. Can line up inside, outside, do a decent enough job in coverage, line up on the edge, blitz. He's just too unique. Maybe Barnes, I really like him. He just missed a 2nd round grade for me I believe. Hes so versatile, love his game.
Absolutely. Let's expand it to round 3 and say 3-5 though to give us the best shot in terms of where and when the talent will come off. Dan Moore, Stone Forsythe, Landon Young, Josh Ball, Tommy Doyle, Larnel Coleman. I'd be very happy with any.
I outlined a few scenarios above about trading down. Trying to nab as many ugly green & blue players as possible. Basically 8-10 guys at 15. If they're gone, trade down and work the board to grab as many quality prospects as you can. 2-3 top 30-40 guys.
It’s like he has Josh MacDaniels Tourette’s Syndrome. He could be talking about the weather and “ f*cking Josh MacDaniels” finds its way in.Some guys were born to spam, and have no shame.
I like playing GM and find this part of the year fascinating. My own view of the draft is it’s 90% long term planning unless you have a top 10 potentially franchise changing player in range. I agree with your QB targets and price I would pay for them, as IMO no player is worth what the 9ers gave up. I would be much happier with 3 ugly green then one solid green just because you are more likely to get 2 above average starters versus drafting the next Ryan Leaf, Ja Marcus Russell, or Sam Darnnit. I mean I see the other end of that argument in what drafting a Mahomes does for your team but the risk is too high for my tastes to gamble more then 15, 46, and a future 2nd. That will only get you to 8 or so but if Lance, Pitt, Sewell, or based on your review cuz I was down on him Fields are there, I am running to the podium for that trade.
