Best I’ve felt after a Patriots loss… EVER…

[PatsFan2]

A couple of weeks before the Draft that was pretty true, but not in February and March, which is when most of the discussions took place , and at no point did you ever want Maye. But that’s also avoiding my real point, which is that you always want them to overspend, be it with picks or players, for the immediate “ fix,” and always to the detriment of building a true long term contender, which is how you win Super Bowls. And as dire a need as there is to fix the OL giving up valuable picks for mediocre players is a terrible idea, and only leads to a mediocre team.

You know I'm WR Bias so my Preferred selection would have been Harrison Jr @ 3. Also I am not against Trading picks for an Established player.

 

[Real fan 02]

You're just pissed because you would rather watch Brissett: many here don't share your sentiments, cry us a river.

I've never heard you mentioned anything about not wanting maye.. you were on board with him even starting like myself and rain man were @rainmaker would agree.

 

[Toofy]

Drake showed to me that he isn’t going to be a bust and has the potential to be a top 5 QB at some point. However we’ll have to keep an eye out about his consistency. On Sunday it was two steps forward and one step back with the turnovers.

Another positive for me is the belief that the skill player group isn’t an abomination. It’s below average and lacking depth. Pop is very skilled and reliable. Boutte is showing some ability that wasn’t evident with the other trash QBs. And I do believe in Polk despite a tough stretch of games. It’s a better group than the past two seasons as well as Cam’s.

Do I think any of them are a #1 in the making? No. But it’s something to work with.

I think if we have 4 2s that's better than having a 1 and 3 middling 3s or 4s. Packers offense seems great and they can continue that model without overpaying for receivers while building rookie receiver pipeline to fill 2 spots out of 5 every season. That way costs are in check and team also develops on all round basis.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think if we have 4 2s that's better than having a 1 and 3 middling 3s or 4s. Packers offense seems great and they can continue that model without overpaying for receivers while building rookie receiver pipeline to fill 2 spots out of 5 every season. That way costs are in check and team also develops on all round basis.

That is the model we always used.. save for the randy years.. we never had a bonafide #1... I just want the young player's to all grow with drake.. Boutte, Polk, Baker eventually.. once KB gets fully up to speed he will be a big help to Drake.

 

[Zuma]

 

[Real fan 02]

Does he know he had to watch Brissett.

 

[PatsFan2]

Does he know he had to watch Brissett.

Everybody is an expert when they get in the Broadcast booth even Tom.

 

[PatsFan2]

Does he know he had to watch Brissett.

I think Tom forgot that fragile Jimmy G is not our back up anymore.

 

[PatsFan2]

A couple of weeks before the Draft that was pretty true, but not in February and March, which is when most of the discussions took place , and at no point did you ever want Maye. But that’s also avoiding my real point, which is that you always want them to overspend, be it with picks or players, for the immediate “ fix,” and always to the detriment of building a true long term contender, which is how you win Super Bowls. And as dire a need as there is to fix the OL giving up valuable picks for mediocre players is a terrible idea, and only leads to a mediocre team.

Teams can sell out and buy a Championship In Todays game Ivan. Yeah it's short term and cap hell in the end but the Rams did it. Also Miami tried but injuries and series of unfortunate events did them in. That said I hope they Trade for a Starting Tackle on a Underachieving Team: a player that would just step right in.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think Tom forgot that fragile Jimmy G is not our back up anymore.

I would have loved to have flacco as the bridge QB.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

That is the model we always used.. save for the randy years.. we never had a bonafide #1... I just want the young player's to all grow with drake.. Boutte, Polk, Baker eventually.. once KB gets fully up to speed he will be a big help to Drake.

A big part of Maye's development will be establishing his leadership presence. His relationship with the WR's will be key, he has to learn how to handle players not doing their jobs, demanding the ball, etc. with big egos to boot. Another example of how the games are much more impactful with Drake playing.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Teams can sell out and buy a Championship In Todays game Ivan. Yeah it's short term and cap hell in the end but the Rams did it. Also Miami tried but injuries and series of unfortunate events did them in. That said I hope they Trade for a Starting Tackle on a Underachieving Team: a player that would just step right in.

The Rams did the right thing. They hadn't won a Super Bowl in over 20 years and have had very little playoff success. They are also in a market that is dominated by the Lakers and Dodgers so they have to do everything they can to get the fans attention. Unfortunately, it wore off and it's back to being a home game for the opposing team. People in Southern CA don't really care for either the Rams or Chargers. They wanted the Raiders back.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Teams can sell out and buy a Championship In Todays game Ivan. Yeah it's short term and cap hell in the end but the Rams did it. Also Miami tried but injuries and series of unfortunate events did them in. That said I hope they Trade for a Starting Tackle on a Underachieving Team: a player that would just step right in.

That’s one example out of dozens and dozens of Super Bowls. The best way to win Lombardi’s is to build a consistent contender, and the Patriots and Chef’s have proved that beyond dispute. 99% of teams that try to sell out for a Lombardi fail and then pay for it for years.

The Patriots should hold on to their picks and get their LT of the future in the first round of the 25’ draft. Either Campbell or Banks will do.

 

[Real fan 02]

A big part of Maye's development will be establishing his leadership presence. His relationship with the WR's will be key, he has to learn how to handle players not doing their jobs, demanding the ball, etc. with big egos to boot. Another example of how the games are much more impactful with Drake playing.

From everything I've seen from reports on Drake his lead has been top notch, veterans have raved about his leadership abilities.. pop eve saying Drake telling him to let's go, get ready at the LOS. Drake elevates guys, he is just what this team needed.

 

[PScottman]

I hope we can work some trades for o linemen either by deadline this year

Why?

Seriously. You don't approach this year like a contender ridding yourself of flexible assets at higher cost. You hoard/collect them and then act in the offseason when the returns can be under your control for far longer and other teams are in the same/similar bargaining position.

The only options you explore are what they're doing - waiver wire tweaks around the edges that don't cost you anything. They're not winning more than five games most likely regardless.

 

[PScottman]

I think AVP will be let go at years end Maye needs a OC in this century.

And then the team will have another wasted year of learning the next new guy. Continuity and familiarity are much more significant than most people think. There's this fallacy that "just change the OC and instantly everyone will know the playbook and be able to execute it flawlessly".

It doesn't work that way. Maye just proved in his debut it's not the plays being called - it's more so the execution of the plays being called. The offense can score points - if the players can execute them with minimal mistakes.

Now if next season there remains similar offensive stalls even WHEN players are executing (example: the OL giving the QB time or opening holes for the run game) then there's enough data saying sure, replace the OC.

Eliminate variables in the decision wherever possible before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Real fan 02]

And then the team will have another wasted year of learning the next new guy. Continuity and familiarity are much more significant than most people think. There's this fallacy that "just change the OC and instantly everyone will know the playbook and be able to execute it flawlessly".

It doesn't work that way. Maye just proved in his debut it's not the plays being called - it's more so the execution of the plays being called. The offense can score points - if the players can execute them with minimal mistakes.

Now if next season there remains similar offensive stalls even WHEN players are executing (example: the OL giving the QB time or opening holes for the run game) then there's enough data saying sure, replace the OC.

Eliminate variables in the decision wherever possible before jumping to conclusions.

Nothing is changing with this current regime. This is the first year of all new everything. What sped up things is Brissett being far worse than anticipated and maye being far more developed than anticipated. So now with him playing and getting better each play, each down , each series it's only going to out out team in a much better position forward. I don't believe the team thought they would be at 1-5 the thinking was Brissett would be better at the QB position than last season. He's been worse. Add in a terrible OL.

 

[Chasing greatness]

Why?

Seriously. You don't approach this year like a contender ridding yourself of flexible assets at higher cost. You hoard/collect them and then act in the offseason when the returns can be under your control for far longer and other teams are in the same/similar bargaining position.

The only options you explore are what they're doing - waiver wire tweaks around the edges that don't cost you anything. They're not winning more than five games most likely regardless.

To continue the build going forward. Identify a tackle that you think will help Mayes progression. If you cant then build through the draft

 

[PScottman]

To continue the build going forward. Identify a tackle that you think will help Mayes progression.

So overpay in season acting like a contender reducing your ability to fix the numerous problems the team has for that "build going forward". Interesting approach.

 

[Chasing greatness]

So overpay in season acting like a contender reducing your ability to fix the numerous problems the team has for that "build going forward". Interesting approach.

Nobody said overpay. If it’s an established tackle who’s playing well but a team wants cap space for another position then why not. You’ll have to pay a developmental lineman eventually.

You want to keep gambling that we can draft an elite lineman? We have a ton of cap space and have a bottom tier oline. The cap is there to spend….