Belichick’s Trade Value.

[PatsWSB47]

I notice you don't answer my question - and by the way, you DON'T KNOW why Brady left or what went into the decision, from him or the front office.

I assume you believe Ariens would have done worse here. I'd lean that way too, but what point are you trying to make? just diminish waht Brady and Areins accomplished? BB for whatever reason you want to make, didn't convince Brady or Kraft to keep him here. If he wanted him he didn't want him bad enough. I'm not buying that BB really really really wanted Brady to stay but it was Karft and or Brady really really really wanted to go against BB.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I don't see us getting a 1st round pick for Belichick.

Honestly even a mid round pick like a 3rd or 4th is fine if it means we can make a clean break and sweep out the broom closet to set up the next Patriots era.

In the end you need two teams to make a trade and BB actually has to want to move to that team. So we'll see how this shakes out in the offseason but big changes definitely need to be made.

Bare MINIMUM BB must be relieved of GM/Player personnel duties.

If he won't give up the power, maybe it's time for Kraft and the Patriots to move on from him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

It’s not like Kraft just ships him off to someone and Belichick has to take it. That obviously is not how this is going to work.

No kidding? Really?

 

[UGAPatsfan]

4th rounder IF he’s traded at all vs a mutual parting.

Age, and recent performance just don’t scream “pay a premium to get this guy”

 

[PATS16N0]

I don’t care, you don’t make ****ty deals just to make a deal. That said I don’t think Belichick would agree to be traded anyways.

The thing is, though, is that Belichick IS the GM. He would be deeply involved in his own trade negotiations. He would choose the teams he’d even be willing to humor. Right now it sounds like there’s a handful of teams in the mix, and “in the mix” means Belichick would be on board with them.

Belichick would be choosing the team and Kraft would be okay’ing the compensation.

No kidding? Really?

 

[PATS16N0]

If Kraft wants to move on and Belichick wants to keep coaching, Kraft isn’t going to pay him millions of dollars to do nothing LV Raiders-style.

He’s getting traded and so is his contract.

 

[50-yard-line]

I assume you believe Ariens would have done worse here. I'd lean that way too, but what point are you trying to make? just diminish waht Brady and Areins accomplished? BB for whatever reason you want to make, didn't convince Brady or Kraft to keep him here. If he wanted him he didn't want him bad enough. I'm not buying that BB really really really wanted Brady to stay but it was Karft and or Brady really really really wanted to go against BB.

My question was about Brady and BB. My point is that if Brady had stayed and BB had gone to Tampa, my bet is that BB has playoff wins and Brady doesn’t after the split.

 

[PATS16N0]

My question was about Brady and BB. My point is that if Brady had stayed and BB had gone to Tampa, my bet is that BB has playoff wins and Brady doesn’t after the split.

Belichick sycophants are still going full alternate-universe-time-travel-wormholes-speculation-argument-Colts-fan four years later.

 

[Brewskies]

I've been a fan for the same span. Bill is hurting my team at this point. He's old; I'm old. People get old, and at some point we retire. I'm retired. I have enjoyed being an fan when they have been so-so or worse in the past - I happily reposed giddy, unwarrantedly strong faith in The Stanley Steamer, for example, and so on: I expect to enjoy this rebuild as well. Why not? I see all of this as being in the natural course of things, and getting upset over matters which are in the natural course of things is a risky business, conducing to unhappiness. Let's all reread Ecclesiastes and roll on. Frankly, I am more irked over Bill's cruel mishandling of Mac than I am over Bill's facing the inevitable. But then, maybe there was some inevitability involved there as well!

thanks for your reply. maybe he should have retired. it is what it is, in my opinion I blame Bill and Kraft. Mac Jones is not a good starter.

 

[raduray]

Brady QB'd a team that was absolutely stacked with talent.

BB is coaching a team that is still a long way from even getting an NFL-level QB and needed a bottom-up rebuild.

If Arien's had come to New England when Brady landed in TB, his record would have been atrocious.

If BB had gone to Tampa and Brady remained in NE, what do you think their post-team up records might have been?


Go ahead, flip the 2 - Bill B goes to the Bucs, Ariens comes to New England in 2020. Tell me their expected records and SB chances in that scenario.

Yeah, but the thing is that it's Bill's who's responsible for the team personnel makeup.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If Kraft wants to move on and Belichick wants to keep coaching, Kraft isn’t going to pay him millions of dollars to do nothing LV Raiders-style.

He’s getting traded and so is his contract.

That must be why he extended his contract, so he could try and trade him for a worthless mid round draft pick.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I think that trading BB is more crazy talk. The problem is that BB would not put up with it and few teams would want him, considering his demands. BB would not go to a team that would take away his GM responsibilities, but what team would really want to give him full GM control? If he is the GM for another team, won't he just keep overriding his draft experts and making NKeal Harry-style picks?

I could see that a meddlesome owner (Carolina?) might want BB, but that owner would clash with BB during the drafts and FA period. It would just not work. A professionally-run team might trade for BB, but they would never give him GM responsibilities considering his recent whiffs and BB would not go to such a team.

No, I would be shocked if BB was traded. It is more likely that he stays with the Patriots and retires at the end of the year, or stays with the Patriots, but with a reduced GM role. Maybe his role in the draft process has been reduced already, considering the successful draft this year--if that is the case, don't expect any dramatic changes.

 

[PatsWSB47]

My question was about Brady and BB. My point is that if Brady had stayed and BB had gone to Tampa, my bet is that BB has playoff wins and Brady doesn’t after the split.

Perhaps but I'd bet that BB doesn't make it to the SB in Tampa. Brady was the needed ingredient there, not the coach.

 

[h0c2000]

Then that means you think he was 100% responsible for the success.

That means you think only one can win a Super Bowl without the other.

 

[h0c2000]

Sure, trading picks to get players like Sanu, keeping vets on the roster till the bitter end of the run, going into late January or February 5 years in a row - then getting poached for coaches and players at above-market value, picking at the end of every round (if then when picks were stolen) - all of that, his fault.

The NFL isn't built for sustainability. BB and Brady defied the GREAT odds.

Get back to me when Tampa Bay is back in the Superbowl, or the Rams.

The other reality could be Polian drafts Brady. Tom beats out Manning after a few years and he wins double digit Super Bowls. Bill becomes what he is without Brady, a sub 0.500 head coach.

 

[50-yard-line]

The other reality could be Polian drafts Brady. Tom beats out Manning after a few years and he wins double digit Super Bowls. Bill becomes what he is without Brady, a sub 0.500 head coach.

If you believe that, I’ve got this bridge for sale.

Brady wouldn’t have gotten on the field with Manning there.

And that team was far more flawed, other than QB, than the Pats. Pats had a defense - a great one.

Double-digit superfoods is nonsense.

 

[1960Pats]

The thing is, though, is that Belichick IS the GM. He would be deeply involved in his own trade negotiations. He would choose the teams he’d even be willing to humor. Right now it sounds like there’s a handful of teams in the mix, and “in the mix” means Belichick would be on board with them.

Belichick would be choosing the team and Kraft would be okay’ing the compensation.

And I'll drive Bill if he needs a ride to the airport.

 

[1960Pats]

The other reality could be Polian drafts Brady. Tom beats out Manning after a few years and he wins double digit Super Bowls. Bill becomes what he is without Brady, a sub 0.500 head coach.

Here's a good one; A team looks like crap, puts Brady in as QB and they immediately win. That team dumps him within a year of his last SB win (his 6th) and immediately starts losing again. The next team he goes to wins (his 7th) immediately after being a solid loser with a coaching trio that everyone here knocked repeatedly, and then that team also goes right back to losing when he leaves. But it's coaching that makes the difference. It really is funny when you think of it.

 

[Real fan 02]

The thing is, though, is that Belichick IS the GM. He would be deeply involved in his own trade negotiations. He would choose the teams he’d even be willing to humor. Right now it sounds like there’s a handful of teams in the mix, and “in the mix” means Belichick would be on board with them.

Belichick would be choosing the team and Kraft would be okay’ing the compensation.

In a case like that.. I'm not to sure how that would go.. as pertaining to the NFL rules ect. It still would be "tampering" or of the like if BB was speaking with other teams to initiate his own trade. So I'm sure there has to be something in the rules or something in the language with the contract. I believe ownership has the say and it would be up to BB to oblige. However I'm sure something would be all agreed upon collectively.

 

[1960Pats]

I think that trading BB is more crazy talk. The problem is that BB would not put up with it and few teams would want him, considering his demands. BB would not go to a team that would take away his GM responsibilities, but what team would really want to give him full GM control? If he is the GM for another team, won't he just keep overriding his draft experts and making NKeal Harry-style picks?

I could see that a meddlesome owner (Carolina?) might want BB, but that owner would clash with BB during the drafts and FA period. It would just not work. A professionally-run team might trade for BB, but they would never give him GM responsibilities considering his recent whiffs and BB would not go to such a team.

No, I would be shocked if BB was traded. It is more likely that he stays with the Patriots and retires at the end of the year, or stays with the Patriots, but with a reduced GM role. Maybe his role in the draft process has been reduced already, considering the successful draft this year--if that is the case, don't expect any dramatic changes.

Bill is too close to the win record to quit. Plus his contract is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, for any GM/HC. If he stays beyond this season it will mean one of two things.
Bob likes money more than wins.
Bill is tanking with Bob's approval.