Bedard: There was second guessing about Mayo over summer and him getting a second year isn't guaranteed

[Froob]

???

Kraft can fire Mayo without firing Wolf. IMO, firing Wolf because the 2024 drafted players haven't worked out yet, and because he signed Okorafor makes exactly ZERO sense in the middle of the season.

Why would you fire a GM after one season lol?

 

[Toofy]

I think coaching and standard of play are why people are mad. The oline play is understandable and even if we shot vets it wouldn't have moved the needle.

Defense regressing to it's current state and run offense stuttering half way are what are causing these reactions.

We are unable to gauge how good our young players play because coaching is putting them in position of failure.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I respect your opinion but I'm relating this to the past few seasons. When a team loses especially in consecutive seasons, with new generation of players is easy for a losing mentality to set in.

Yes, unless there is strong, decisive leadership to address it at all levels of the organization, with a plan put in place which is clearly communicated to everyone. It all starts at the top. And unfortunately, the top of this organization decided to hand his team over to a guy with no winning track record at any level of coaching and zero HC or coordinator experience and a young, unproven GM. It should go down as one of the worst ownership fiascos in NFL history. Kraft chooses nepotism over performance. It's unbelievable, but here we are.

 

[upstater1]

I respect your opinion but I'm relating this to the past few seasons. When a team loses especially in consecutive seasons, with new generation of players is easy for a losing mentality to set in. 4-13, no this season has gone totally off the rails. It's just losing. Losing in any sport allows a mentality and attitude to permeate is what I'm stating.

With the exception of the final Jets game (when the entire team knew Belichick was gone, believe me) I thought the team fought as hard as they could last year. The losses piled up largely because they were inept at the QB position. Granted, that doesn't mean they win more than 9-10 games with a good QB, they still needed a couple more, but it wasn't what we have now

 

[upstater1]

Anyone who evaluates draft picks before half their rookie season is over shouldn't be considered when looking for serious analysis.

I've said this 100x as a Penn State fan, but I've watched Caden Wallace play over 50+ games over a span of 5 years. I've seen plenty of him.

I posted my analysis of Polk on this board in January, long before the Patriots picked him, and I've linked to those posts in the Polk thread.

Polk will never be anything more than a #2, and that's if I'm wrong in my analysis of him being a dud. Picking him that high is a paltry return IF he even manages to turn things around.

I didn't say the rest of the draft was poor.

But these 2 premium picks were abysmal.

 

[upstater1]

I'm opposed to purposely losing for draft picks but this appears to be natural tanking so bring on the draft picks! Also, I was thinking about if they would hire Vrabel and I seem to remember when he didnt get hired by some other team the word was he wants too much control. Maybe that is why Kraft wont hire him.

Doesn't seem to be the type of draft where losing for picks helps a franchise. There are no good QBs, so teams aren't going to trade up for players. There appear to be 3 excellent CBs as the top players.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Doesn't seem to be the type of draft where losing for picks helps a franchise. There are no good QBs, so teams aren't going to trade up for players. There appear to be 3 excellent CBs as the top players.

If two teams need a QB, I don't think it'll matter if there are any good ones or not.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Concerns over the summer? GTFO. The Krafts aren't football guys. They know enough football to know the roster was bad, but I call BS on them being football savvy enough to know that the coach of those bad players might be a problem too based off practice.

Kraft hears the noise and wants to try and shift the discourse, if he does fire Mayo, to "Kraft made a mistake but recognized it quickly and was smart enough to cut his losses" instead of just "Kraft f'd up".

 

[Ross12]

Yeah, I'm not as sure about where it'll go as you and some others, but I think the "checks and balances" weren't well thought through from the beginning. The moment there was going to be adversity, people were going to look for direction from whoever was in charge. But if you were a player or a coach, who would you turn to? Mayo is the HC but it's tough to say what he has authority over. Wolf is the GM but doesn't have say over the HC. It was a rudderless ship. I have a lot of sympathy for Mayo because I feel like as much as he may not have been ready, he was also set up to fail by not giving him the authority to tell AVP what to do or to tell Wolf to get better Oline pieces.

On the other hand, that makes it pretty easy for Wolf to:

1) put the blame on Mayo
2) ensure that the team finishes with a pretty high draft pick for 2025
3) be able to then hire "his own guy" for HC that he DOES have authority over

 

[XLIX]

This guy is just trolling for attention. I don't believe Mayo would ever be fired in the middle of his first season but, that aside, you don't fire an HC in the middle of the season on a Thursday or Friday.

 

[TheRainMaker]

That's got to be satire, but would be hilarious if it actually happened.

 

[XLIX]

Doesn't seem to be the type of draft where losing for picks helps a franchise. There are no good QBs, so teams aren't going to trade up for players. There appear to be 3 excellent CBs as the top players.

If teams offered multiple #1's for Maye, then there will be teams offering multiple #1's for Ewers, Ward or (for some reason known but to God) Sanders.

 

[signbabybrady]

Mayo is obviously not qualified for the job. But who's fault is this? Do you blame the guy who got hired who's not qualified or the guy who hired him? They even compounded this problem with hiring coordinators who are as unqualified for their roles as Mayo is for his role.

To quote Obi Wan who's more foolish the fool or the fool who hired him

 

[signbabybrady]

I think you can't overlook the impact Scar had as well. Dude was possibly the GOAT oline coach.

Have to wonder how much Ernie Adams factored into Belichick's situational decision making which Bill is the GOAT at.

Imagine surrounding yourself by coaches with decades of experience instead of hiring a staff full of rookies

 

[signbabybrady]

I really don't see the purpose in firing Mayo unless he did something criminal. Who is taking over that would really accomplish anything? If Mayo truly is a mess I'd just let him finish out the year.

If this isn't criminal I don't know what is?

 

[Steve102]

I think you can't overlook the impact Scar had as well. Dude was possibly the GOAT oline coach.

Not possibly. Is.

Have to wonder how much Ernie Adams factored into Belichick's situational decision making which Bill is the GOAT at.

I have maintained for some time that it was a huge factor. Ernie was Bill's external hard drive.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Yeah, I'm not as sure about where it'll go as you and some others, but I think the "checks and balances" weren't well thought through from the beginning. The moment there was going to be adversity, people were going to look for direction from whoever was in charge. But if you were a player or a coach, who would you turn to? Mayo is the HC but it's tough to say what he has authority over. Wolf is the GM but doesn't have say over the HC. It was a rudderless ship. I have a lot of sympathy for Mayo because I feel like as much as he may not have been ready, he was also set up to fail by not giving him the authority to tell AVP what to do or to tell Wolf to get better Oline pieces.

I don’t understand why Kraft set it up this way. He had the same exact setup under Grier/Carroll and it failed partly for the reasons you mentioned. He succeeded when the Bills were in charge of everything.

I’m not saying that the GM/HC need to be the same guy; Belichicks are rare (and certainly he lost his fastball on the draft mid-2010s when he decided to work only with players he liked), and Parcells struggled once the salary cap got involved. But I’m with those who say that the GM/coach need to be joined at the hip, even if one ultimately reports to the other. One goes, they both go.

 

[h0c2000]

This guy is just trolling for attention. I don't believe Mayo would ever be fired in the middle of his first season but, that aside, you don't fire an HC in the middle of the season on a Thursday or Friday.

You think RKK would do that? RKK is all bark and no bite. His hiring of all his head coaches showed he doesn't want to do any hard work. Pete? Almost the day after Parcells left him on the altar. BB? already in place before Pete got canned. Mayo? Years ago before he canned BB. Talk about not going outside your circle of trust.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I don’t understand why Kraft set it up this way. He had the same exact setup under Grier/Carroll and it failed partly for the reasons you mentioned. He succeeded when the Bills were in charge of everything.

I’m not saying that the GM/HC need to be the same guy; Belichicks are rare (and certainly he lost his fastball on the draft mid-2010s when he decided to work only with players he liked), and Parcells struggled once the salary cap got involved. But I’m with those who say that the GM/coach need to be joined at the hip, even if one ultimately reports to the other. One goes, they both go.

Kraft got it into his head that there needed to be more checks on Bill’s authority. So he set up the new guys with the kind of checks and balances he thought he needed for Bill. It just rarely works in the NFL where you don’t have a guy the buck stops with.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Mayo is obviously not qualified for the job. But who's fault is this? Do you blame the guy who got hired who's not qualified or the guy who hired him? They even compounded this problem with hiring coordinators who are as unqualified for their roles as Mayo is for his role.

I really hate to say this but this all looks similarly to the FattMatt and Dipshit hiring by BB. Not being hired on credentials/merit, other than being a great player, meh “exec”…?