Bedard: There was second guessing about Mayo over summer and him getting a second year isn't guaranteed

[Steve102]

Curran is being exposed as being as much of a fraud as his boy Mayo. Curran led the Mayo for HC campaign & told everyone he had "elite" leadership skills. He lobbied almost as hard for the Pats to trade out of 3 & had Wolf listened to Curran's ill-conceived advice, the team would have made the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise.

Curran's done more to undermine the franchise than the detestable Jon Tomase.

*Ron Borges has entered the chat*

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree, but once Kraft separated them, it was bound to go wrong. I can imagine the decision before Kraft is “do either of these guys have a vision for this team?” Wolf does. Whether Kraft is still buying into it is another question. But does Mayo even have a vision for what this team can become or how to get there? I don’t get that sense about him.

I believe the collaboration isn't working. I've paid attention to tone and body language each time I see mayo speak to the media and AVP.. I can count on one hand how many times AVP has cracked a smile.. I don't believe he's happy in his role.. he's here because or wolf. Now hearing that ownership is second guessing. Sounds to be like a change is imminent. There is no fix to this current team. Could they play well In spurts? Sure but I don't see this team winning another game the rest of the season and by next month thanks giving I can see Mcaddo as the interim coach.

 

[Real fan 02]

They can’t just fire the coordinators. There isn’t a coach in the league that would take a coordinator position under Mayo after seeing what a disaster he is as a HC. Particularly knowing the job would very likely be one & done.

Caley turned down a lucrative contract offer he seen this was a ticking time bomb. How can you sell Brissett ad your Starting QB to any OC.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Where is Tom E Curran these days? He was a leaking sprout during BB’s last days. Have not been hearing lately. Can’t criticize Mayo his buddy?

He just released a scathing article a few days ago.

 

[Toofy]

Agree. I really think it's becoming far worse each week. The off field things are obviously not mayos fault, however the product on the field aside from Drake is horrendous. I say bring in Flores as HC ?

I think you might want to change your avatar now ...

 

[Thelonious]

Curran is being exposed as being as much of a fraud as his boy Mayo. Curran led the Mayo for HC campaign & told everyone he had "elite" leadership skills. He lobbied almost as hard for the Pats to trade out of 3 & had Wolf listened to Curran's ill-conceived advice, the team would have made the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise.

Curran's done more to undermine the franchise than the detestable Jon Tomase.

Again, horseshit.

 

[Thelonious]

I don't know what you're mad about. I like Curran and he's one of the few beat guys I think is legitimately tied in.

Sorry, I was aiming at the guy just above you.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

If it were easy to find posts, I'd bring receipts showing how this was going to be a disaster from the day he was hired and the media/fans calling for him to be gone by mid season.

Unless Maye has a collapse, I think he'll help Mayo's cause stealing a few games - but not much as this team is really bad.

Perhaps Maye playing well will have a paradoxical effect: Kraft might look at the situation and say, "We now have our franchise QB, but the rest of this sucks and I have to make a change now." It may spur firings instead of helping Mayo.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I personally was hopeful that Mayo would work out. Still hopeful it will. But I had no idea how well he would do.

I still think he got the short end of the stick with a lack of talent and not the best coaching under him, but he hasn't really made a lot of smart decision either.

Can you think of a single thing he has done well since becoming head coach? Because a coach with promise would be doing some things well despite having issues in other areas. I can't think of anything. He's been a disaster.

This applies to Wolf too. Other than drafting Maye (which was a no-brainer), can anyone name a single thing he has done to make the team better?

Maybe with Kraft looking at his own mortality and Maye looking like he might be a franchise QB, he will go all out to get a top coaching staff if he does fire Mayo. If Maye continues to look promising, it will allow the Pats to get top coaching talent. Good coaches want to go where they have a QB to build around.

I had a similar thought and posted before I read your comment. Maye's swift emergence could be the impetus for sweeping change this offseason. If Kraft is smart, he will make a clean sweep, bring in the big guns, and end amateur hour. Proven talent across the board, from coaches to FO.

 

[Thelonious]

Perhaps Maye playing well will have a paradoxical effect: Kraft might look at the situation and say, "We now have our franchise QB, but the rest of this sucks and I have to make a change now." It may spur firings instead of helping Mayo.

I hope so. It seems to me this is obviously the time to give Johnathan a try. I have no idea whether that will work or not, but Robert - bless his heart - is no longer the man for the job.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

The next HC has

Can you think of a single thing he has done well since becoming head coach? Because a coach with promise would be doing some things well despite having issues in other areas. I can't think of anything. He's been a disaster.

This applies to Wolf too. Other than drafting Maye (which was a no-brainer), can anyone name a single thing he has done to make the team better?


I had a similar thought and posted before I read your comment. Maye's swift emergence could be the impetus for sweeping change this offseason. If Kraft is smart, he will make a clean sweep, bring in the big guns, and end amateur hour. Proven talent across the board, from coaches to FO.

With regards to wolf, nope. He’s done nothing with the OL and I’d argue we’d be worse off if either Ridley or Aiyuk would’ve accepted our offers.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I believe the collaboration isn't working. I've paid attention to tone and body language each time I see mayo speak to the media and AVP.. I can count on one hand how many times AVP has cracked a smile.. I don't believe he's happy in his role.. he's here because or wolf. Now hearing that ownership is second guessing. Sounds to be like a change is imminent. There is no fix to this current team. Could they play well In spurts? Sure but I don't see this team winning another game the rest of the season and by next month thanks giving I can see Mcaddo as the interim coach.

Yeah, I'm not as sure about where it'll go as you and some others, but I think the "checks and balances" weren't well thought through from the beginning. The moment there was going to be adversity, people were going to look for direction from whoever was in charge. But if you were a player or a coach, who would you turn to? Mayo is the HC but it's tough to say what he has authority over. Wolf is the GM but doesn't have say over the HC. It was a rudderless ship. I have a lot of sympathy for Mayo because I feel like as much as he may not have been ready, he was also set up to fail by not giving him the authority to tell AVP what to do or to tell Wolf to get better Oline pieces.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

This is not all on Mayo.

This is on the Krafts.

True. Mayo should never have been hired. It was a monumental error.

If you end up firing your new coach after one year, you're a bad owner and you don't know what you're doing.

What makes this even worse is that Mayo has not actually had the support he needed to succeed.

Support? He's the head coach. He sets the tone, he creates the structure, and communicates with the media. He leads the team. There are no training wheels in the NFL. It's a tough league. He's not up to it, obviously.

Mayo is going to be a convenient scapegoat, but I will never be convinced he wouldn't have succeeded as a coach if he actually had proper support and also proper seasoning. It is Mayo's fault at the end of the day because he's a coach who can be scapegoated and he went into this situation willingly pushing out his old coach.

If you can name one Mayo has done well this season -- anything at all -- you might change my mind. If he had promise, he would have done some things well. He's done nothing well. He's failed at X's and O's, leadership, player relations, in-game adjustments & decisions, media management and taking accountability for his own failures. He's been overmatched in every aspect of what it means to be a head coach. There is literally nothing you can point at and say, "Now there's a spark, there's something to build on."

Bottom line: this is Kraft's failure.

If your head coach hire needs support, you never should have hired him. Seasoning happens as you move up the coaching ranks. Maybe he spends some time coaching college football or in one of the other leagues. The education and seasoning of Jared Mayo should not happen at this level of football. It was a joke from day one and many of us knew he would fail. And yes, it's all on Kraft. I agree with that.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Bedard might want to develop new sources because Wolf is on the hot seat himself.

How do you know?

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I can somewhat understand it. Wolf is trying to build something where the rookies and young guys get a lot of playing time in year one, they build a culture and establish a baseline even if they don't win much, and then in year 2 they spend more heavily and take a more significant step.

The issue is that the young guys are not developing under Mayo (besides Drake, thank god) and the culture is going backwards. So I could see the argument that the personnel plan has mostly gone the way as originally envisioned but the coaching plan has not, and thus a change has to be made there.

Let's also remember that Wolf was promoted AFTER Mayo had already long ago been given the job - he wasn't Wolf's choice.

And you know what means! Say hello to your new head coach, Alex Van Pelt. Good lord.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Definitely came from someone high up in the Pats.

I am of the opinion that HC and GM should be married at the hip. If a team underperforms and you want to fire one of them, fire both. That way they both have the same goal and none of this backstabbing BS.

But Ross21 said, Mayo wasn't Wolf's guy. AVP is, and that's almost as concerning given his putrid performance this year. Still, if they fire Mayo, I bet AVP is the interim head coach and if things improve a bit, he will get the job next year.

 

[mike_usagisan]

But Ross21 said, Mayo wasn't Wolf's guy. AVP is, and that's almost as concerning given his putrid performance this year. Still, if they fire Mayo, I bet AVP is the interim head coach and if things improve a bit, he will get the job next year.

I think AVP was option 245 after a lot of better candidates turned us down. If you were a serious OC would you work for Mayo, a first time head coach with little experience? And in the meetings it became clear that Mayo would have no authority over you and you'd report to... someone. Maybe Wolf. Maybe Kraft. I think Wolf talked AVP into it because we were desperate for someone and Wolf had the connection. I don't think AVP was Wolf's first choice for OC much less HC, but I have no real facts to base that on. But I also think AVP was so desperate after the Browns firing that he was probably willing to enter this ****storm.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah, I'm not as sure about where it'll go as you and some others, but I think the "checks and balances" weren't well thought through from the beginning. The moment there was going to be adversity, people were going to look for direction from whoever was in charge. But if you were a player or a coach, who would you turn to? Mayo is the HC but it's tough to say what he has authority over. Wolf is the GM but doesn't have say over the HC. It was a rudderless ship. I have a lot of sympathy for Mayo because I feel like as much as he may not have been ready, he was also set up to fail by not giving him the authority to tell AVP what to do or to tell Wolf to get better Oline pieces.

That's exactly what I'm alluding too "the collaboration ".. I waited to reserve judgements on mayo.. but now everything is fair criticism. I believe there is alot behind the scenes that goes on that we the fans do see. I've always supported mayo.. but if his owners are second guessing then it's an issue. That wasn't there is no direction, no strategy to fix this team. As I've said we've breeder a loosing culture the past few seasons.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think you might want to change your avatar now ...

Well.. I've always supported him. With everything going on I guess my eyes are wide open now.

 

[Tunescribe]

Yeah, I'm not as sure about where it'll go as you and some others, but I think the "checks and balances" weren't well thought through from the beginning. The moment there was going to be adversity, people were going to look for direction from whoever was in charge. But if you were a player or a coach, who would you turn to? Mayo is the HC but it's tough to say what he has authority over. Wolf is the GM but doesn't have say over the HC. It was a rudderless ship. I have a lot of sympathy for Mayo because I feel like as much as he may not have been ready, he was also set up to fail by not giving him the authority to tell AVP what to do or to tell Wolf to get better Oline pieces.

Shed no tears for Mayo. He's been angling YEARS for a head coaching job -- even undermining the GOAT toward that goal -- naively believing he has what it takes.