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When Breer left the Pats beat, I think he decided he didn't want to look like a Pats homer. He's been over-compensating since. He's lost his objectivity by letting outside factors influence his judgement (i.e., the over-compensation). The questions he asks Belichick often border on troll-ish. He's become an idiot.


Belichick one time famously ripped him a new one in a press conference and Breer has never been the same since with regards to his reporting on the Patriots. There are some very sore feelings.
 
Sorry but you're an insignificant, miniscule minority, and don't speak Patriot fans.

This is everyone else, and this is during the media assault you were basking in, before the Bengals game



Tom's untouchable in these parts.
"Anyone talking nonsense about Tom Brady is not from New England"

Pretty much sums it up.

Hate away, but it isn't going to get you anywhere. Nobody is listening.



I don't know why you are making this such a personal thing when someone disagrees with you on this subject.

Personally, I hope TB plays at an elite level when he is 45 years old. That would be the best.

But since you're going personal, you joined here 2 years ago, so maybe you never heard of Drew Bledsoe

You obviously never heard of Bernie Kosar and the crap Belichick's kids had to take in Cleveland when BB demoted him for Testaverde.

We all love TB right now and there isn't another QB I'd rather have on the planet. But in 2016 or 2017, if he is faltering and the team is losing, then I would fully want to explore the options.
 
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thats my point.....as long as he is the best option

brady probably takes better care of himself than favre and is more cerebral.....but favre was more athletic and robust......time will tell
Probably takes better care of himself than Favre?! Brett Favre, the guy who almost drank himself out of the league in Atlanta? The Brett Favre who carried his pain killers in a pez dispenser? Jamarcus Russell may have taken better care of himself than Brett Favre.
 
Probably takes better care of himself than Favre?! Brett Favre, the guy who almost drank himself out of the league in Atlanta? The Brett Favre who carried his pain killers in a pez dispenser? Jamarcus Russell may have taken better care of himself than Brett Favre.

yeah.....shouldn't have said "probably"........you caught me on this one........congrats
 
@shmessy not to change the subject but I never understood the whole join date roast. What relevance does that have to being a true fan or longtime fan?
 
Drew Bledsoe was practically his son. So, I don't agree with you there.
Can and will are 2 very different things.
Why would we be implying Krafts 'veto' would be used to hurt the team? I would assume his involvement is where big money is involved or with character issues, but he would never think that he could make a better football decision than BB.
 
This year we're the bullies.

I just re-watched last year's Ravens game. 41-7 may have been a bit of an exaggeration, but the Patriots were every bit as physical as the Ravens -- and that with Marcus Cannon and Logan Mankins as tackles and Kline at guard.
 
I don't know why you are making this such a personal thing when someone disagrees with you on this subject.

But since you're going personal, you joined here 2 years ago, so maybe you never heard of Drew Bledsoe

You obviosuly never heard of Bernie Kosar and the crap Belichick's kids had to take in Cleveland when BB demoted him for Testaverde.

We all love TB right now and there isn't another QB I'd rather have on the planet. But in 2016 or 2017, if he is faltering and the team is losing, then I would fully want to explore the options.

I'm not sure how comfortable I am comparing Drew and Kosar to Tom (not speaking skill here, purely status) but I agree that everyone on both sides should be open to alternatives.

My dispute with the Barnwell/Simmons group is that this restructure doesn't appear to facilitate that in any way. Brady was just as tradeable before the restructure as he is now, and anyone willing to sign Brady would be willing to trade. Rather than expanding, Tom's market value has remained unchanged.

In the absence of this, the only alternative explanation is that Brady's camp has a handshake agreement to be released rather than traded if he time comes up in NE. It seems somewhat sensible on the surface - it theoretically gives Tom more control over his destination - but it requires a far more clandestine unspoken contract than the one Letekro has objected to.

Frankly, I'd probably even quibble over the fact that Tom would need to be released. If such a handshake agreement exists, Bill could just allow Tom to make his selection and then trade him for less than optimal capital, which is still more than they would receive if released. And if Tom can control his direction via a trade as easily as he can on the open market, it negates the need to restructure in the first place.

My speculation relies on one assumption:

1) The team was planning on giving him a raise

That's it. The "handshake agreement" assumption regarding not being released isn't even necessary since Tom's value on the open market is higher than his current contract. But if you want to add that in, be my guest.

The Simmons/Barnwell speculation relies on several assumptions:

1) There is a team that would be willing to sign Tom who wouldn't be willing to trade him.
2) There is a team that would be willing to trade for the new contract that wouldn't have traded for the prior one.

If those are not met, then these will suffice

3) There is an unwritten agreement to release Tom rather than try to trade him.
4) There is a team that would sign him but wouldn't trade for him.
5) Bill/Bob wouldn't just be willing to trade Tom at a discount and allow him to control where he goes that way.

I'd love to hear a sound rebuttal, but I hope to receive more than "it just makes more sense", with a specific focus on how exactly this contract provides more flexibility and what assumption I've laid out is incorrect.

OK, that's it. I think I've finally whipped this horse but good.
 
@shmessy not to change the subject but I never understood the whole join date roast. What relevance does that have to being a true fan or longtime fan?

No roast, I just wrote that MAYBE he did not know about how Drew Bledsoe was considered a son of Bob Kraft back in the late 1990's. They were that close. Closer, in fact, than the Brady-Kraft relationship.

The poster wrote with such conviction, and he went personal against anyone who disagreed that Bob Kraft would never ever agree to Belichick replacing Tom Brady in the future for any reason whatsoever.

Perhaps you overlook the fact that that poster had written:

"Sorry but you're an insignificant, miniscule minority, and don't speak Patriot fans."
"...Tom's untouchable in these parts.
"Anyone talking nonsense about Tom Brady is not from New England"
Pretty much sums it up.
Hate away, but it isn't going to get you anywhere. Nobody is listening."

Sorry, you were offended by someone confronting that attitude.
 
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Can and will are 2 very different things.
Why would we be implying Krafts 'veto' would be used to hurt the team? I would assume his involvement is where big money is involved or with character issues, but he would never think that he could make a better football decision than BB.

Fully agree.
 
Sorry but you're an insignificant, miniscule minority, and don't speak Patriot fans.

This is everyone else, and this is during the media assault you were basking in, before the Bengals game



Tom's untouchable in these parts.
"Anyone talking nonsense about Tom Brady is not from New England"

Pretty much sums it up.

Hate away, but it isn't going to get you anywhere. Nobody is listening.

You get the fact that someone might have a slightly different view of something than you do without being a 'hater', right?
 
Who cares how old he is as long as he is still playing well? Favre had a couple of good years in Minnesota at ages 40-41 (lead the Vikings to the NFC Championship Game at age 40).
And then completely shat the bed to lose the game. But that was kind of par for the course with him anyway.
 
No roast, I just wrote that MAYBE he did not know about how Drew Bledsoe was considered a son of Bob Kraft back in the late 1990's. They were that close. Closer, in fact, than the Brady-Kraft relationship.

The poster wrote with such conviction, and he went personal against anyone who disagreed that Bob Kraft would never ever agree to Belichick replacing Tom Brady in the future for any reason whatsoever.

Perhaps you overlook the fact that that poster had written:

"Sorry but you're an insignificant, miniscule minority, and don't speak Patriot fans."
"...Tom's untouchable in these parts.
"Anyone talking nonsense about Tom Brady is not from New England"
Pretty much sums it up.
Hate away, but it isn't going to get you anywhere. Nobody is listening."

Sorry, you were offended by someone confronting that attitude.

No I wasn't offended, just a bit in the dark about the whole join date argument. If anyone is hurting my feelings, its @james87654. Hes always so critical of Tommy and never wants to share Brett Favres pez dispenser with me.
 
It all comes down to PERFORMANCE.

If he is doing the job better than anyone else that they have or could get, then he keeps the job.

Saying that because of what he has done in the past 'the decision will be his and his alone' is some kind of delusion.
 
Same here man. Boo Hoo Brady Crew for life!


Me? I root for the New England Patriots.

I've been a fan of them before Tom Brady and I'll be a fan of them after Tom Brady.
 
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