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Belichick isn't infallible, but jeez man, take a look at the Pats players on IR. 7+ "starters" plus half of their draft picks. The best GM in the game (whomever that is) would have trouble losing that many key cogs.
 
First off - BB is the best coach of all time. There is no argument to this. Belichick is one of the reasons I'm a huge Patriots fan.

The saying has always been "In Belichick We Trust", but he's made a lot of errors recently as GM. At 65 tears old we have to wonder if he's beginning to lose it. Many of you will hate on me for making this thread, but this is a discussion board and this is a big topic that most will be scared to touch because of how good Belichicks pedigree is.


  1. Letting LaGarette Blount go for nothing. Blount straight up said he wanted to stay. And that was after having the best season of his career with a league leading 18 TD's. Blount was an emotional leader and big part of our last 2 superbowls. He wasnt even asking for a lot of money. BB and the front office let him walk. They signed Mike Gillisslee instead, who turned out to be a huge bust. We are actually LUCKY that Dion Lewis surprised everyone and turned out to have as good of a year as he did. Otherwise our running game wouldve been terrible. Lewis and Blount are completely opposite running styles and we never had that short yardage battering ram all year.
  2. Letting Chris Long go for nothing. He literally donated his entire salary to charity this year. He also wouldnt have cost much to re-sign. Long is the perfect Patriots type player, good locker room guy, no character issues. He was happy to play here and then left because he felt the scheme didnt fit, or maybe he was upset that Trey Flowers passed him on the depth chart and thought he wouldnt get many snaps if he stayed. Whatever it was, I think if BB really wanted him to stay he couldve had a little last minute chat like he did with McDaniels and Devin McCourty and gotten him to stay. But they let him walk for peanuts and he went to team that had 3 losing seasons in a row. Long didnt set the league on fire, but he would've been a huge locker room guy and a leader. We could've used some veteran depth at DE this year, and he would've been a key part of the rotation.
  3. Knowing that Rob Ninkovich was close to retirement and Jabaal Sheard wasn't going to be re-signed. Surely after coaching him for so many years, BB must've known Ninkovich was close to retirement. We literally had one of the deepest DE rotations in 2016 with Ninkovich, Sheard, Long, and an emerging Trey Flowers. They were a HUGE part of the SuperBowl comeback... knocking the Falcons out of Field Goal range, and sacking Matt Ryan. One year later.... Flowers was the only one still on the team. Losing all that depth in one off season, and who did BB replace them with? A late 3rd rd pick and 4th rd pick. We are actually lucky that Deatrich Wise contributed as much as he did. Usually you cant count on mid-round DE's to do much. Even if Rivers were healthy, who's to say he wouldve been any good? 3rd round DE's are hit and miss (Shawn Crable anyone? Jake Bequette?). I couldnt believe it when the Pats went into this season without any sort of back up plan for losing 3 DE's. Oh, wait... we got Kony Ealy and Cassius Marsh! Kony wasnt given much of a chance and got released before the season started. Marsh was a failure and got released midway through the season. Now we are 1 year later and we still have a huge need at DE. We got lucky the Steelers messed up and let James Harrison go. He was our best pass rusher and played better than expected but it's kind of sad when you have to rely on a 39 year old cast off that signed with your team in week 16.
  4. Trading Chandler Jones. He led the league with 17 sacks this season. Yeah he's making a lot of money but, what's the point of drafting good players if you're never going to sign them? By trading away Jones the front office basically admits they don't want a superstar pass rusher and instead want to pick up scraps for less money. The problem with that is there aren't good scraps to be found every offseason. Last offseason is proof of that. Jones is also a good leader and locker room guy. He had one little incident but overall his character seems okay. His reputation was that he tappered off as the season went on, but the coaches also ran him into the ground and he basically played every snap. Shouldve done a better job at rotating players in and keeping him fresh. We couldve used some of that pass rush in the SuperBowl. People will also refute this by saying we got Joe Thuney and Malcolm Mitchell for him, but OG and back up WR are dime a dozen. Star DE's in their prime dont come around very often, especially for the Patriots who are consistently drafting late in the 1st.
  5. Letting Akiem Hicks walk right when he was hitting his prime. He was a hidden gem that the Pats picked up for basically nothing. He's turned into one of the best interior linemen in the NFL and isn't getting paid like it. He would've been a steal if we re-signed him long term. Huge talent evaluation misfire. The coaches see these guys in practice every day. They missed on Hicks big time.
  6. Instead, we re-signed Alan Branch at 32 years old. He was a healthy scratch for most of the season. Huge disappointment and waste of money. Got replaced by mis-season pick up Ricky Jean Francois.
  7. Dwayne Allen trade. Total bust. The Colts mustve been ecstatic to offload that terrible contract on the Pats. He got paid $5million this last season for a total of 86 yards. Absolutely pathetic. All these players the Pats supposedly can't afford to pay. Meanwhile they paid Allen 5million. This was a terrible misfire.
  8. Recent Drafts haven't been successful. Cyrus Jones, Jordan Richards, Geneo Grissom, Dominique Easley. None of them have contributed much, if at all. The only player that has panned out recently is Trey Flowers.
  9. Underestimating chemistry. We went into the playoffs with newly signed players in the Front 7. Ricky Jean Francois became a Patriot in November. Eric Lee signed in late November when Marsh was released. James Harrison became a Patriot in December. Marquis Flowers in his first season, after being a career special teamer. Deatrich Wise a rookie. It's fine to plug and play a few players when you have a solid core group of players, but this year we didn't. The Front office let the core walk away or traded them away. I know a lot of people are ****ting on Matt Patricia, but Belichick set him up for failure with this defense. Our D was counting on rookies and cast offs. Simply put, Phillies OLine was far superior to our DLine.




Belichick had a reputation of always cutting ties at the perfect time. Players that left the Patriots went on to be forgotten and never played as well. This isnt the case anymore. The players that have left have flourished and the Pats were left with an anemic defense that got exposed.


Going into next season the entire Defense needs help. We need a new CB to replace Butler. We need LB depth since Hightower is injury prone and Elandon Roberts is horrible. We need DT since Alan Branch is good as gone. We need DE. The draft isn't going to solve all those problems and this is a bad free agent year. We'll be lucky if we solve one of those spots in FA.

This is right on. Compared to what we know he is capable of, Bellichick has been mailing it in.
 
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Bb the GM has been spot on his game. In the salary cap era, he has kept this thing going for almost two decades!

That is insane.

Ps: Hicks is the only guy I wish we had kept.

Bb the coach. He has done explaining to do about one terrible defensive game plan. Hopefully by next season, bb the coach will have learned how to properly defend the rpo offense.
 
Blount 18 TD in 2016

Lewis, Burkhead and Gillislee 16 TD in 2017
Good point. Blount did more himself than three of this year's players. That speaks to Blount's value.
 
Yea letting Blount go in hindsight was an awful decision.. Gillislee did nothing for us this year and got paid way more than Blount would have ever received... and it stings that Blount also hammered us in the SB with that long TD run

Chris Long didn't want to play here anymore.. why are people forgetting that? He didn't like the scheme, he wants to be more of a pure pass rusher guy that can add to his sack totals.. BB had him playing more of an inline type guy, which also wears your body down faster over time... If Chris Long wanted to be here he would still be here

Chandler Jones is not worth the $15+ million a year he;'s getting in this system. He was a good player, but you can only give so many players top of the market deals.. and they've already got a few of those on the team with guys they feel more confident in long term as leaders, etc... It would be nice to have him for sure, but not at the cap hit he's carrying

Dwayne Allen if he restructures his contract would be an excellent addition to the team as an inline blocking tight end.. hes very good in that role, he's just getting paid more than that is worth.. if you fix his contract, hes worth the roster spot

As for the draft, they only had 4 picks in 2017.. and their top pick Rivers was IRed.. Garcia had some type of non football injury/ilness.. Deatrich Wise contributed throughout the season as well as could be expected for a 4th rounder.. McDermott is on the Bills now, but he was a 6th rounder and a long shot

2016 draft they got Thuney who is a solid LG, Brissett who they traded for their 3rd rounder back, Vincent Valentine who looks to be a nice prospect at interior DL, Malcolm Mitchell who contributed to the SB in 2016.. Elandon Roberts who has been a starter all year for the Pats (albeit not a great one.. hes more of a role player being forced into a starters role)..

2015 they got malcolm brown who is a solid DL, Richards who is a great special teams player.. they just drafted him way too high... Grissom, who has been contributing a little and developing.. Trey Flowers who has been a good DE and was a starter all year.. Shaq Mason who is a starter at RG and dominant in the run game... Cardona who is our starting long snapper...

That same draft they got Easley, they also got Garoppolo who they traded for a 2nd rounder.. Bryan Stork who was their starting center until he got those concussions... James White who was a Super Bowl hero in 2016 and a solid contributer... Fleming who was starting at RT in the Super Bowl and doing a solid job of it...




So no, the drafts haven;t been that bad... they've had a few clunkers in the early rounds which stinks, but it happens and they're above the curve when it comes to success rate with picks.
 
Belichick isn't infallible, but jeez man, take a look at the Pats players on IR. 7+ "starters" plus half of their draft picks. The best GM in the game (whomever that is) would have trouble losing that many key cogs.

I hear what you're saying, but the team that won the SB was without its MVP candidate starting QB, it's possibly HOF-bound starting left tackle, it's 3dRB and return man, a starting LB and its kicker, along with multiple players from its 2017 draft, all on IR.
 
I hear what you're saying, but the team that won the SB was without its MVP candidate starting QB, it's possibly HOF-bound starting left tackle, it's 3dRB and return man, a starting LB and its kicker, along with multiple players from its 2017 draft, all on IR.

Yup, two great teams with tons of injuries played a game that came down to a handful of plays.

Edit: I forgot Philly lost their kicker, and interestingly, Elliot now actually has a better career average for FGs, and a longer best kick. I wonder if the Eagles might keep him.
 
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I agree, the Patriots made a bad decision on Blount/Gillisee. Their red zone offense was not great this year, and a lot that was from a lack of a power running back. Gillisee got a relatively huge deal for a RB in New England, and he couldn't even make the active roster. But that's just the way it goes...can't be right every time.

LGB would have been inactive as well this year when Lewis, White and Burkhead were healthy. It would not have made any difference. It was a numbers game that kept Gillislee inactive not him being a bust.
 
8. Recent Drafts are hard to evaluate. Yes Grissom & Easley were misses, that's going to happen when you draft low and take risks. Jones, Garcia & Rivers may end up being contributors and Richards already is. Thuney, Mason, Jackson, Brissett, Mitchell, Garoppolo, Flowers, Stork, White, Fleming...not too shabby

I agree with almost all of your post, but I gotta question calling Richards a contributor. He's a terrible safety and has dramatically underperformed for his draft position. Which is fine, even the best have lots of misses on their resume, that's the nature of scouting and drafting, but let's not pretend that Richards wasn't a miss.
 
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This is the typical view what the Patriots have accomplished through minds addled by sports talk radio..

To stay this good this long requires a lot of questionable decisions, but consider Denver this year, the wait until next year Miami Dolphins or many of the teams in the NFL it becomes obvious difficult it is to do all of this.. even teams like Carolina have had difficult times rebounding from their Superbowl appearances..

There needs to be some sort of longitudinal study of every team, their draft choices, their draft position, their FA acquisitions and season records the Pats would either be at the top or close to it.

Despite what some believe or hear, BB does not make these decisions in a vacuum.. there is a whole host of characters involved.

Every team has hits and misses, every team has draft busts and every team makes mistakes.. this is not Madden, it is the NFL.
 
Good breakdown of things here....I think Belichick has made some blunderous personnel decisions over last several years....Brady always kept bailing him out. Good points


First off - BB is the best coach of all time. There is no argument to this. Belichick is one of the reasons I'm a huge Patriots fan.

The saying has always been "In Belichick We Trust", but he's made a lot of errors recently as GM. At 65 tears old we have to wonder if he's beginning to lose it. Many of you will hate on me for making this thread, but this is a discussion board and this is a big topic that most will be scared to touch because of how good Belichicks pedigree is.


  1. Letting LaGarette Blount go for nothing. Blount straight up said he wanted to stay. And that was after having the best season of his career with a league leading 18 TD's. Blount was an emotional leader and big part of our last 2 superbowls. He wasnt even asking for a lot of money. BB and the front office let him walk. They signed Mike Gillisslee instead, who turned out to be a huge bust. We are actually LUCKY that Dion Lewis surprised everyone and turned out to have as good of a year as he did. Otherwise our running game wouldve been terrible. Lewis and Blount are completely opposite running styles and we never had that short yardage battering ram all year.
  2. Letting Chris Long go for nothing. He literally donated his entire salary to charity this year. He also wouldnt have cost much to re-sign. Long is the perfect Patriots type player, good locker room guy, no character issues. He was happy to play here and then left because he felt the scheme didnt fit, or maybe he was upset that Trey Flowers passed him on the depth chart and thought he wouldnt get many snaps if he stayed. Whatever it was, I think if BB really wanted him to stay he couldve had a little last minute chat like he did with McDaniels and Devin McCourty and gotten him to stay. But they let him walk for peanuts and he went to team that had 3 losing seasons in a row. Long didnt set the league on fire, but he would've been a huge locker room guy and a leader. We could've used some veteran depth at DE this year, and he would've been a key part of the rotation.
  3. Knowing that Rob Ninkovich was close to retirement and Jabaal Sheard wasn't going to be re-signed. Surely after coaching him for so many years, BB must've known Ninkovich was close to retirement. We literally had one of the deepest DE rotations in 2016 with Ninkovich, Sheard, Long, and an emerging Trey Flowers. They were a HUGE part of the SuperBowl comeback... knocking the Falcons out of Field Goal range, and sacking Matt Ryan. One year later.... Flowers was the only one still on the team. Losing all that depth in one off season, and who did BB replace them with? A late 3rd rd pick and 4th rd pick. We are actually lucky that Deatrich Wise contributed as much as he did. Usually you cant count on mid-round DE's to do much. Even if Rivers were healthy, who's to say he wouldve been any good? 3rd round DE's are hit and miss (Shawn Crable anyone? Jake Bequette?). I couldnt believe it when the Pats went into this season without any sort of back up plan for losing 3 DE's. Oh, wait... we got Kony Ealy and Cassius Marsh! Kony wasnt given much of a chance and got released before the season started. Marsh was a failure and got released midway through the season. Now we are 1 year later and we still have a huge need at DE. We got lucky the Steelers messed up and let James Harrison go. He was our best pass rusher and played better than expected but it's kind of sad when you have to rely on a 39 year old cast off that signed with your team in week 16.
  4. Trading Chandler Jones. He led the league with 17 sacks this season. Yeah he's making a lot of money but, what's the point of drafting good players if you're never going to sign them? By trading away Jones the front office basically admits they don't want a superstar pass rusher and instead want to pick up scraps for less money. The problem with that is there aren't good scraps to be found every offseason. Last offseason is proof of that. Jones is also a good leader and locker room guy. He had one little incident but overall his character seems okay. His reputation was that he tappered off as the season went on, but the coaches also ran him into the ground and he basically played every snap. Shouldve done a better job at rotating players in and keeping him fresh. We couldve used some of that pass rush in the SuperBowl. People will also refute this by saying we got Joe Thuney and Malcolm Mitchell for him, but OG and back up WR are dime a dozen. Star DE's in their prime dont come around very often, especially for the Patriots who are consistently drafting late in the 1st.
  5. Letting Akiem Hicks walk right when he was hitting his prime. He was a hidden gem that the Pats picked up for basically nothing. He's turned into one of the best interior linemen in the NFL and isn't getting paid like it. He would've been a steal if we re-signed him long term. Huge talent evaluation misfire. The coaches see these guys in practice every day. They missed on Hicks big time.
  6. Instead, we re-signed Alan Branch at 32 years old. He was a healthy scratch for most of the season. Huge disappointment and waste of money. Got replaced by mis-season pick up Ricky Jean Francois.
  7. Dwayne Allen trade. Total bust. The Colts mustve been ecstatic to offload that terrible contract on the Pats. He got paid $5million this last season for a total of 86 yards. Absolutely pathetic. All these players the Pats supposedly can't afford to pay. Meanwhile they paid Allen 5million. This was a terrible misfire.
  8. Recent Drafts haven't been successful. Cyrus Jones, Jordan Richards, Geneo Grissom, Dominique Easley. None of them have contributed much, if at all. The only player that has panned out recently is Trey Flowers.
  9. Underestimating chemistry. We went into the playoffs with newly signed players in the Front 7. Ricky Jean Francois became a Patriot in November. Eric Lee signed in late November when Marsh was released. James Harrison became a Patriot in December. Marquis Flowers in his first season, after being a career special teamer. Deatrich Wise a rookie. It's fine to plug and play a few players when you have a solid core group of players, but this year we didn't. The Front office let the core walk away or traded them away. I know a lot of people are ****ting on Matt Patricia, but Belichick set him up for failure with this defense. Our D was counting on rookies and cast offs. Simply put, Phillies OLine was far superior to our DLine.




Belichick had a reputation of always cutting ties at the perfect time. Players that left the Patriots went on to be forgotten and never played as well. This isnt the case anymore. The players that have left have flourished and the Pats were left with an anemic defense that got exposed.


Going into next season the entire Defense needs help. We need a new CB to replace Butler. We need LB depth since Hightower is injury prone and Elandon Roberts is horrible. We need DT since Alan Branch is good as gone. We need DE. The draft isn't going to solve all those problems and this is a bad free agent year. We'll be lucky if we solve one of those spots in FA.
 
I agree with almost all of your post, but I gotta question calling Richards a contributor. He's a terrible safety and has dramatically underperformed for his draft position. Which is fine, even the best have lots of misses on their resume, that's the nature of scouting and drafting, but let's not pretend that Richards wasn't a miss.
Richards is awful
 
The flipside of this argument was that Belichick the GM was able to cobble together a defense on short notice with the likes of Butler, Wyse, Marquis Flowers and Bademosi.
 
BB the GM was never good. Only good because of the system he GMs in with Brady.
 
Is this some type of Thread exchange program with forums.ganggreen.wtf?
 
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