BB talks extensively on hazing and the Patriots..

[DarrylS]

Interesting take by BB on this whole hazing controversy, this is good stuff in a weekly media spot with Christian Fauria(substituting for Salk) on WEEI providing some good balance...

Seems contradictory to what was happening in Miami, where the inmates were allowed to run the asylum... Miami Leadership Council?? How about Miami Posse??

Bill Belichick goes deep on hazing talk - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

“I don’t know if there is a need to, but I do it,” he answered. “I definitely do it. I state certain guidelines, and as things come up during the year that I think need to be addressed as an entire team -- and I’m not saying talking to the players, I’m saying the coaches, myself, we’re talking all of us: ‘Here’s how we’re going to do things’ or ‘Here’s something that has come up, and here’s how we’re going to address it’ if it’s ‘We’re not going to have any more of this’ or ‘This is OK, or in the best interests of the team.’

“Now, a lot of times those conversations also come up with the captains, whether they bring them up first or I bring them up first. We all talk as captains and they are representatives of the players -- you can’t talk to all 53 guys, but they represent the players and will say ‘How do we feel about this? How do we feel about that?’ ...

 

[AzorianPats]

That's why BB is second to none. He's got his pulse on every aspect of this team. Whether its in the locker room, on the field, during the week, during the game, he knows what's going on. I think alot of us as fans take for granted what kind of leader BB really is.

 

[SalemPats]

What BB is doing should be the norm, but coaches like Philbin are afraid of their players.

 

[Christiancat]

Interesting Article!

 

[PP2]

What BB is doing should be the norm, but coaches like Philbin are afraid of their players.

I don't think its as much that, as it is that coaches like Philbin don't have the job security or the credibility to pull their weight like that. It's not like NFL coaches are dumb, on average.

BB, who very fortunately is not only highly intelligent but has the ability to self-monitor or evaluate, is in a position to pull his weight as far as he sees fit. He has the pedigree to do that, and for the most part has full trust from ownership.

In that regard, we've been very very fortunate to have such a solid hierarchy in place for so long.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't think its as much that, as it is that coaches like Philbin don't have the job security or the credibility to pull their weight like that. It's not like NFL coaches are dumb, on average.

BB, who very fortunately is not only highly intelligent but has the ability to self-monitor or evaluate, is in a position to pull his weight as far as he sees fit. He has the pedigree to do that, and for the most part has full trust from ownership.

In that regard, we've been very very fortunate to have such a solid hierarchy in place for so long.

Some coaches believe in leading by being in total control, and setting the tone for everything. BB is one of those.
Some coaches believe that leading is getting the players to like you and therefore play hard for you. Rex Ryan is one of those.
BB and Rex handle things very differently.

The real question at the heart of this is whether BB has a better plan (overall plan for how everything within the organization is handled) or whether he just implements and sticks to his better than anyone else.

In other words, if you and I both set up a set of rules or best practices, it is likely that whoever sticks to them the best is more succesful regardless of whether they necessarily had the better plan or not.
Ideas vs commitment and discipline.

 

[PP2]

Some coaches believe in leading by being in total control, and setting the tone for everything. BB is one of those.
Some coaches believe that leading is getting the players to like you and therefore play hard for you. Rex Ryan is one of those.
BB and Rex handle things very differently.

The real question at the heart of this is whether BB has a better plan (overall plan for how everything within the organization is handled) or whether he just implements and sticks to his better than anyone else.

In other words, if you and I both set up a set of rules or best practices, it is likely that whoever sticks to them the best is more succesful regardless of whether they necessarily had the better plan or not.
Ideas vs commitment and discipline.

Where do you think Philbins failed, then? My guess is that he was simply out of touch with what was going on at the player level.

In regard to the BB/Ryan approach, both are polar opposites, but the one thing they seem to have in common is being very aware of what is going on in the locker room.

 

[DarrylS]

Where do you think Philbins failed, then? My guess is that he was simply out of touch with what was going on at the player level.

In regard to the BB/Ryan approach, both are polar opposites, but the one thing they seem to have in common is being very aware of what is going on in the locker room.

I suspect pretty much the same, but having a player with the reputation of Incognito on the Players Council is your first clue, particularly after the golf course incident when he was drunk.

As the leader if you do not set the tone from the onset, then eventually you will be screwed...

Can you imagine BB if one of his players pulled that shenanigan???

 

[Gronkandez]

Where do you think Philbins failed, then? My guess is that he was simply out of touch with what was going on at the player level.

In regard to the BB/Ryan approach, both are polar opposites, but the one thing they seem to have in common is being very aware of what is going on in the locker room.

I don't think Philbin is the scapegoat, and I think he keeps his job, but to answer your question, the appointing of Incognito as a team Counsel member (or whatever it was called) looks dumb in hindsight.

As for Belichick, although he has a tendency to acquire "bad guys" there is enough leadership in the locker room to keep them in line. I'm thinking mostly about Moss and Dillon.

 

[RobAllan]

I hate to bring up an ex-player that's an awful person, but I feel like there's a place for it in this conversation.

This team had what we presume to be a gang banging murderer (multiple homicides) in the lockeroom with no issues. They had a Tebow with no problem. They managed their way through a Bledsoe-Brady controversy with no obvious outward issues early in BB's tenure as HC. They've had offense players on defense and linemen running routes. We had Spygate and a body language debate. We had happy Randy Moss and Corey Dillon. All the while we've never had an obvious problem erupt despite Tom Jacksons saying "They hate their coach" or even a Brady-O'Brien tiff on the sideline.

This starts right up at the top with Mr. Kraft and obviously our HOF coach runs a very tight ship.

We're REALLY lucky as fans. It's easy to lose sight of this when BB the GM rears his occasionally bizarre head, but we're fortunate not to have to endure the kind of garbage the Miamis of the world do. And we're fortunate to have an owner that acts swiftly when badness happens anyway.

GO PATS.

 

[PP2]

I suspect pretty much the same, but having a player with the reputation of Incognito on the Players Council is your first clue, particularly after the golf course incident when he was drunk.

I don't think Philbin is the scapegoat, and I think he keeps his job

Well the fact that Incognito was on the Players Council suggests that Philbins was out of touch on the player level.. that is, he came to coach, to preach X and O's, not to commingle with the players on a personal level, as Ryan would.

And as for whether or not Philbins is the scapegoat; as the head coach, he is still responsible for maintaining decorum in the locker room. He has to set the standards.

 

[Ring 6]

Where do you think Philbins failed, then? My guess is that he was simply out of touch with what was going on at the player level.

In regard to the BB/Ryan approach, both are polar opposites, but the one thing they seem to have in common is being very aware of what is going on in the locker room.

I don't know with Philbin. My guess is he either didn't much care about that kind of stuff (players police themselves) or just isnt a strong leader.

Not sure where the Ryan/BB comparison comes from when Rex's lockerroom imploded on him in 2011 and he claimed he didn't have a clue what was happening.

 

[patfanken]

Some coaches believe in leading by being in total control, and setting the tone for everything. BB is one of those.
Some coaches believe that leading is getting the players to like you and therefore play hard for you. Rex Ryan is one of those.
BB and Rex handle things very differently.

The real question at the heart of this is whether BB has a better plan (overall plan for how everything within the organization is handled) or whether he just implements and sticks to his better than anyone else.

In other words, if you and I both set up a set of rules or best practices, it is likely that whoever sticks to them the best is more succesful regardless of whether they necessarily had the better plan or not.
Ideas vs commitment and discipline.

I would disagree with you here....just a bit. While I agree that BB probably has as good an idea of what's going on in his locker room as any HC in the league, I'd be willing to bet that the day to day operation of that room is more in the hands of the players than any in the league

Aside for his rules with the media and being on time and ready to work, the Pats players are running that room. Like the article stated, once the players are clear on what is expected of them, and they understand that negative actions have negative consequences, I think BB is pretty hands off. I also recognize that hands off does NOT mean unaware.

I thinks widely misunderstood on how BB runs his operation. He is NOT some martinet who rules with an iron hand. He is their coach, manager, director. His job is to give them good game plans, good teammates, and good in-game adjustments and decisions. They play hard for him because they know that he excels at these things. They also know that they will be coached well. That they will be put into positions to succeed. They will get better as football players while they are here, and lastly, theyr coach will NEVER throw them under the bus. He's first to take responsibility when things don't go well......and its not just lip service.

If you love the game, want to get better, willing to work harder than most teams, are willing to be coached, and put the team first, this is a great place to work, and that's why he consistently gets more from the talent he's given than any coach in the league. I'm sure there are some who are as good, but NONE who are better.

Sometimes its easy to take him for granted. We forget that the WORST HC in the NFL is a brilliant football coach surrounded by brilliant football coaches. They all are proven managers of men, creators of great game plans and able to make good decisions during games. Of course some are better than others, but like the raw talent, everyone of them is capable. And the fact that we have a HOF level guy only moves that needle slightly in our favor. His game plans aren't always going to work out. His decisions don't always work out. What makes him special is that more times than not they WILL. and its those very SMALL advantages that add up over a season and make the difference between an 11-5 year and a 8-8 one.