BB: Our passing game isn't as efficient as it needs to be

[PatsRebuild]

True, but Bill did it and nobody else did...The GOAT picked the GOAT and the rest is history!!!

But, wait! Bill Polian, the biggest fan of BIll Polian, once told us he was ready to draft Brady (even though he's a liar and full of crap with Manning in house).

bawawhaha

Pretty sad when some Pats fans are so far gone with the anti-BB brainwashing, they don't even know it has happened.

 

[sb1]

True, but Bill did it and nobody else did...The GOAT picked the GOAT and the rest is history!!!

I get it but this is like betting on snake eyes and then calling yourself a genius when they come up on the roll.

Picking a guy in the 6th round doesn't take guts but making the switch from your franchise QB that you just gave a new contract - to the sixth rounder certainly does. I prefer to think of it that way and that's where I give credit to Bill. I think only one coach makes that switch.

 

[ashley]

Perhaps I overstated how big a need, and I do recognize we have some good talent.

Needs:
QB
WR
TE
LB
DE

Also, Free safety needs to be on our minds. I think there are good pieces on D for sure. QB/WR/TE are big enough needs that warrant capital, and MLB is nothing to feel confident about. We also could lose Gilmore to a trade, which would leave us with a big hole opposite JC. The run defense also didn't get fixed; we got destroyed when it mattered in 2019, and 2020 didnt look any different. There are and should be concerns here, mostly on offense, and we need to see what happens on the OL after the season with Thuney.

I don't think we go after safety at all...we have Williams, Dugger and Chung coming back to go along with Phillips and McCourty...I think that is more than adequate. I also am higher on the tight end position than others. I want to see what our rookies can do when healthy...not giving up on them yet. QB,DE and WR I think are the top three needs in no particular order.

 

[ashley]

I get it but this is like betting on snake eyes and then calling yourself a genius when they come up on the roll.

Picking a guy in the 6th round doesn't take guts but making the switch from your franchise QB that you just gave a new contract - to the sixth rounder certainly does. I prefer to think of it that way and that's where I give credit to Bill. I think only one coach makes that switch.

sb, I think we're on the same page, I agree with what you're saying the actual "move" to TB was brilliant.

 

[PatsRebuild]

I'm just saying that picking Tom fricken Brady in the 6th round is the best draft pick of all time....that buys him a pass in my opinion, plus we are always picking at the end of the rest round...who was our last mid 1st rounder Devin McCourty, he hasn't turned out that bad, has he?
Pro Bowler, how about this year- JC Jackson, how about Thuney, Mason, D.Harris all great players. Have we missed on wide receivers and safeties in the 2nd round, sure, but every team has missed on player.

They want media reassurance, yet look who the media is. These idiots wouldn't know a pony set from an I Formation to a zone D to a stunt to a counter trap run.

They don't know the game. I am supposed to take cues from Tony Massarotti, Albie "Daddy got me my job" Breer on football, or Chris Gasper? Laughable. These are the people these fans get their cues from to analyze the sport and the players.

It's hilarious, but sad, too. They spit in the face of 20 years of evidence over it.

 

[PatsRebuild]

I don't think we go after safety at all...we have Williams, Dugger and Chung coming back to go along with Phillips and McCourty...I think that is more than adequate. I also am higher on the tight end position than others. I want to see what our rookies can do when healthy...not giving up on them yet. QB,DE and WR I think are the top three needs in no particular order.

Chung may be retiring, as much as I love the guy as the Rover, but yeah his snaps need to come down and maybe it's a Bruschi favor to BB thing like in 2008 with Mayo.

 

[sb1]

sb, I think we're on the same page, I agree with what you're saying the actual "move" to TB was brilliant.

Yup. Only one coach does that - it's the same coach that knows how to deal with the inevitable second guessing and criticism of that move.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Chung may be retiring, as much as I love the guy as the Rover, but yeah his snaps need to come down and maybe it's a Bruschi favor to BB thing like in 2008 with Mayo.

Chung will absolutely get the Bruschi and Troy Brown treatment. Chung is a 3-time champion and I think Belichick has given him high and rare praise before. Chung and Hightower, these guys are royalty just like Seymour / Law / Bruschi

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

I don't think we go after safety at all...we have Williams, Dugger and Chung coming back to go along with Phillips and McCourty...I think that is more than adequate. I also am higher on the tight end position than others. I want to see what our rookies can do when healthy...not giving up on them yet. QB,DE and WR I think are the top three needs in no particular order.

I like Dugger a lot, but Chung may not realistically have anything left. Injured following a season he forfeited, I wouldn't count on him, and I've loved Chung. Williams the book is out on. FS definitely should be something on their minds, even if it isn't as pressing a need.

 

[Kontradiction]

Did McDaniels mention how many times guys are wide open, and because Newton's poor mechanics and disciplines as a crap passer and run based crap QB like he always was, have gotten that "separation" and he missed them, wide open, because of his poor skills?

I also question whether his a vision is bad in his right eye. The odd not seeing a guy bearing down on him as he takes 7 seconds to unload the ball is very strange, but yes, let's pretend it's always "separation". Somehow it's always that or BB is a "bad GM", even though he built 2 dynasties.

I've never seen a QB in this era look so unaware in the pocket, especially one that is supposed to be using his legs as a weapon. This isn't Drew Bledsoe in 2002, looking like a statue unable to move. This a run based QB who is big and athletic, or should be, anyway.

Play-calling and good QB work is creates "separation". Newton can't read a D, so he can't check in and out of the right play to help the offense. How many audibles do you see from him? Almost next to none. If the D gets to know your plays based on personnel, pattern and habit, you aren't getting "separation" as much. This same theory arose in 2018 and then they changed the offense to more of a run based heavy set play-action offense after the putrid Pitt outing where they scored 10 points, and that change helped them win a SB again.

The coaches making the rounds saying "everyone can be better" doesn't mean much. Educated fans who know the sport can see what's going on during the game. There are guys wide open at times and he cheats on his progressions, so by the time the OL gives him his Guinness Book of World Records time to pass on every dropback, it's too late, he missed the spot.

When the 22 tape comes out on Tuesdays, that's when Newton is really cooked because you can see how easy it is for Ds to rope-a-dope him. He just doesn't have the skills because he never needed them in college and they coddled him in Carolina.

A real scout on Newton would also talk about how slow he is through his motion, how he has to rear back to throw it, and how he only really completes passes you or I could make, since the player is WIDE open after 7 seconds he gets to throw. He doesn't have accuracy to throw in the tight windows that qualified, legit QBs have.

No one complains about "separation" on teams with good QBs.

Newton is a band aid. Harry is coming along and improving and Meyers is legit. They just need a #1 and improved TE play with a new QB, obviously and it ain't Newton, but it might be Stidham, regardless of what the BB-hating media tries to spin everyday, for the last 20 years.

Imagine posting all of this when the coach himself said separation is an issue. That’s a WR issue. Not a QB issue, which coach has also alluded to.

 

[JMC00]

Allen Robinson/Kenny Golladay/Chris Godwin
Hunter Henry
AJ Green/Marvin Jones
Kyle Pitts
Jakobi Meyers
N'Keal Harry (whatever they had him doing against the Rams is how they need to use him)
?Julian Edelman? (limited role with age and injury history factored in)


is how you fix that

come on Bill use that cap space to load up on offense and let the next guy deal with the down the road cap ramifications

IX Rings would look better on your boat than VIII

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I like Dugger a lot, but Chung may not realistically have anything left. Injured following a season he forfeited, I wouldn't count on him, and I've loved Chung. Williams the book is out on. FS definitely should be something on their minds, even if it isn't as pressing a need.

Actually FS is a need. Devin will be what, 33 or 34 next year? We're set at SS but FS likely needs an apprentice.

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[jdlboot14]

I can't wait for Stidham to be the starter wk 1 and hear all you failed Nostradamus's freaking out.
Do ya'll forget that BB lavishes praises on every worthless QB/team they're about to face. He also has sung the praises of players that he cuts or lets walk weeks later. Do you really think that because he's raving about Cam's personality and leadership that it means he thinks he can play QB, or has any intention of going through this embarrassing disaster of a season again!?! Cam is gone, Hoyer is done. Stid will stay as the only QB with a hint of continuity in this system along with a new FA, and an unheard of draft pick - it's how BB works.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I can't wait for Stidham to be the starter wk 1 and hear all you failed Nostradamus's freaking out.
Do ya'll forget that BB lavishes praises on every worthless QB/team they're about to face. He also has sung the praises of players that he cuts or lets walk weeks later. Do you really think that because he's raving about Cam's personality and leadership that it means he thinks he can play QB, or has any intention of going through this embarrassing disaster of a season again!?! Cam is gone, Hoyer is done. Stid will stay as the only QB with a hint of continuity in this system along with a new FA, and an unheard of draft pick - it's how BB works.

This is correct. Praise from BB is the kiss of death. When BB says nothing about you, that means you have his respect. Inefficiency in the passing game is code that = need to change things = Stidham will start soon. If you have watched BB for 20 years it is the same over and over.

 

[captain stone]

I would rank his last 3 drafts like this as it appears today on paper:

2018: B+
2019 A-/A
2020: Possible A

I wish you had been my biology teacher.

 

[captain stone]

I remember a huge fight between Dale and Eddie on the radio before the superbowl that Bledsoe should be starting over Brady.

Do you remember who chose whom?

 

[moosekill]

Do you remember who chose whom?

Dale was a big Bledsoe fan. Used the can’t lose your job from an injury line.

 

[captain stone]

Sure, sure. We've only been hearing garbage like this for 20 years. You and others so personally offended that every single draft pick doesn't go to the HOF, yet magically crappier teams have all the great players, as BB is senile and not knowledgeable or a good coach. Gotcha.

All over a pandemic and crybaby Brady leaving. Awesome analysis.

I gotta ask: Are you really Stevie or Brian?

 

[captain stone]

They want media reassurance, yet look who the media is. These idiots wouldn't know a pony set from an I Formation to a zone D to a stunt to a counter trap run.

They don't know the game. I am supposed to take cues from Tony Massarotti, Albie "Daddy got me my job" Breer on football, or Chris Gasper? Laughable. These are the people these fans get their cues from to analyze the sport and the players.

It's hilarious, but sad, too. They spit in the face of 20 years of evidence over it.

Nobody here is taking any cues from any of those azzholes.

 

[denverpatsfan]

No way Stidham starts next season. Better chance of a reunion with Jimmy G.