BB: Our passing game isn't as efficient as it needs to be

[sb1]

What? There really wasn't a camp this year, so enough. There was no way to even see his progress without being around him. A Zoom meeting only goes so far.

The next thing we know McDaniels gets a toy, Goodell takes calls from owners to yet again steal a draft pick over it (not a coincidence the pick was stolen the day Newton was signed, which caused outrage which is hilarious now to think about), and he was immediately handed the job. There was no- OTAs, mini camp or a real camp or preseason games. So, there's nothing to see in terms of live action to compare to his first preseason. At one point, there was a report of Newton turning around asking Hoyer and Stidham for help on a play in practice. Once I read that, I knew McDaniels's little toy had us screwed. The only ones who blew it are Newton and McDaniels, with some blame needing to go to BB too, since he signed off on it.

To put a pandemic and his growth being stunted or BB not being able to work with him in person, is pretty disgusting. It's also pretty obvious you have bad eyes, because he clearly passed the eye test in preseason for me just like Brady and JimmyG did. All 3 were the only ones that looked the part, regardless of it being preseason or not. Aaron Rodgers, same thing. I nailed that one, too. I saw one preseason game in 2005 vs Dallas and I had it nailed. You can just tell how they lead the huddle the control they have on a drive. That's how you know something is there. If he doesn't take the coaching and does regress, sure, then you'd be right. It's stupefying how some of you are ignoring the pandemic. I mean, Ivan Fears just yesterday admitted how difficult it's been.

Next, Stidham transferred from Baylor to Auburn because of a sex scandal from the guy who recruited him. He went to a system that wasn't mean for him and still shows good signs as a prospect, hence why he was drafted.

Also the former NE and Seattle scout who recommended Wilson to Carroll, recommended Stidham to BB. He also runs the Senior Bowl. I think all of these people know a lot more than yourself.

How embarrassed are you going to be if it is Stidham and BB just hits the reset button in 2021 due to the pandemic? What will you do?

Not a traditional camp like other years but there was full contact practices before the season started. Plenty of time for Stidham to establish himself in a reset year with competition of a guy who hadn't played in a year and a journeyman QB. It was more than just zoom meetings. He just didn't take the opportunity handed to him.

Cam can't throw a football. Coach Bill, the greatest head coach in NFL history is keeping him as his starter. Some of Bills comments go out of his way to praise Cam's work ethic. What does all of that tell you about Stidham? It ain't rocket science folks.

Not sure what Stidham you're watching cause the guy I'm seeing panics in the face of an NFL pass rush instead of being willing to risk a hard hit from a defender and step into the throw like Brady could or throw on the move out of the pocket. Has an ok arm but that's about it. If a forgettable 3.8 YPA 2 sacks performance in garbage time is what we can expect from this guy, no thanks. Jimmy was terrific in his garbage time stint. He had "it". Stid doesn't.

I won't be embarrassed, I'll just accept that we won't win very often without someone a lot better than Stidham as our starter.

 

[203Pat]

Wynn has been absolutely superb. That's not an opinion, but a fact. He's grading out as a top 5 LT. Guys can get dinged up. What was your opinion of Gronk's or Edelman's early career injuries?

Stupid argument.

Yes, B+ draft. A good, complimentary RB who helped win a SB, a top notch starting LT hand picked by Scar, and another UDFA gem that BB calls immediately to camp in JC Jackson who is now elite, is a good, solid draft. Yes.

3 good/great players in a draft who start or spot start and help win games or a SB, is B+-worthy. Do you study the other NFL teams and their situations? Because I do, and their yields are way worse.

Where has he been "superb"? You can site all those dorky websites all you want but if you watch the games Wynn has been good at times and below average at times but his biggest issue is that he gets hurt a lot. You site Gronk and Edelman who battled injuries throughout their careers. If you want to cherry pick then how about Ras-I Dowling and Dominique Easley? Both high picks who didn't pan out because they were always hurt.

Stupid argument.

A complimentary RB taken in the first round who doesn't play by the end of year 3? Great pick then. Home run. JC Jackson was a good find (while not being elite) and looks to be a good corner but he wasn't a draft pick. Joejuan was and he is a bust.

Please tell me these other teams you study? The Jags? Maybe the Jets? Yes I am pretty sure those teams draft pretty poorly. You should be comparing Bill to successful franchises over the last 10 years. The Steelers, the Chiefs, see how those drafts stack up.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Belichick went out of his way to say Cam's leadership is tremendous, he interacts positively with every player on the team and staff. And presence matters, he said Cam spends the most time in the building of anyone on the Patriots. So this is how you get good with Bill, devote your whole life to football and he is willing to grow with you. Not sure if Stidham is going home to his wife every day at 6pm. That would explain it.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Belichick went out of his way to say Cam's leadership is tremendous, he interacts positively with every player on the team and staff. And presence matters, he said Cam spends the most time in the building of anyone on the Patriots. So this is how you get good with Bill, devote your whole life to football and he is willing to grow with you. Not sure if Stidham is going home to his wife every day at 6pm. That would explain it.

Have you seen his wife? I mean....

 

[NG Pats Fan]

It's not like we're picking in the top 10 any year though...and you can't forget, Bill made the greatest draft pick in the history of the NFL...you have to give him credit Captain for that...He picked the GOAT...Tom Fricken Brady in the 6th round!!!!To me, that buys him a lot of forgiveness...and the 6 rings doesn't hurt either. lol

luuked‘s BB worshipping cult recruiting a new member?

 

[50-yard-line]

B+ for the 2018 draft? I'd call it a C-. They picked nine players and four players from that draft are still on the team - Michel, Bentley, Wynn and Izzo. Michel is a solid player who has largely been supplanted by Harris. Izzo can't block and isn't much of a pass catcher; he probably doesn't make the team next year. When they say NE doesn't have any linebackers they mean Bentley isn't good enough. He sucks in coverage because he is slow, so he's not a 3 down player. He is really only a run defender/thumper. Wynn, when healthy, is a good player, though he can be overmatched against bigger edge rushers. So you really only have 3 productive players from that draft and no stars (though the jury is still out on Wynn).

It's too early to say on the other two drafts, though right now I'd call the the 2019 draft a B- and you may be right about the 2020 draft (I really like Uche, Dugger, Onwenu and Herron).

B, at least. Wynn and Michel were hits. Dawson, Berrios and Crossen are all contributing in other places.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

2018 is a B+ draft? Wynn has not been able to stay on the field and has been up and down. Sony has gotten significantly worse each season and in addition to that has offered nothing in the passing game and doesn't even play anymore. Duke Dawson is a colossal bust. Bentley is a solid role player being asked to do far too much this year. Izzo is a starter in name only and at best a third TE. The rest aren't even on the team (and some are out of the league. Calling that draft a B+ is laughable.

The only thing more laughable than calling the 2018 draft a B+ is calling 2019 an A-/A. Our top two picks are huge busts. Harry lost snaps to a journeyman UDFA and another UDFA. Joejuan Williams was healthy scratch most of his rookie year and after basically confirming to Bill he cant play now hardly sees any snaps. Winovich and Harris look like solid pieces to build around but Cajuste cant get on the field and Froholdt only lasted a year on the team as a 4th rounder. The rest of that draft was special teamers or role players.

That is 2 drafts that yielded 3 players that are currently starting and only 2 are playing well (Wino and Harris).

we drafted Jojuan Williams over AJ Brown and DK Metcalf. Traded UP for jojuan

 

[NG Pats Fan]

This sums up BB’s drafting ability over the past 5 seasons

	3	83	New England Patriots	Derek Rivers	DE	Youngstown State	MVFC​	from Tennessee [R3 - 8]
	3	84	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	Chris Godwin †	WR	Penn State	Big Ten​
	3	85	New England Patriots	Antonio Garcia	OT	Troy	Sun Belt​	from Detroit [R3 - 9]
	3	86	Kansas City Chiefs	Kareem Hunt †	RB	Toledo	MAC​	from Miami via Minnesota [R3 - 10]

 

[NG Pats Fan]

The Pats picking # 32 has been debunked ad naseum.

BB loved Brady so much that he waited 6 rounds to take him in a 7 round draft.

Makes complete sense now. Haha

Also, for the revisitionist history fans, BB sent Rebein out to find a QB. BB never told Rebein specifically Brady.

This post is too intelligent for the blind homers.

 

[PatsRebuild]

Not a traditional camp like other years but there was full contact practices before the season started. Plenty of time for Stidham to establish himself in a reset year with competition of a guy who hadn't played in a year and a journeyman QB. It was more than just zoom meetings. He just didn't take the opportunity handed to him.

Cam can't throw a football. Coach Bill, the greatest head coach in NFL history is keeping him as his starter. Some of Bills comments go out of his way to praise Cam's work ethic. What does all of that tell you about Stidham? It ain't rocket science folks.

Not sure what Stidham you're watching cause the guy I'm seeing panics in the face of an NFL pass rush instead of being willing to risk a hard hit from a defender and step into the throw like Brady could or throw on the move out of the pocket. Has an ok arm but that's about it. If a forgettable 3.8 YPA 2 sacks performance in garbage time is what we can expect from this guy, no thanks. Jimmy was terrific in his garbage time stint. He had "it". Stid doesn't.

I won't be embarrassed, I'll just accept that we won't win very often without someone a lot better than Stidham as our starter.

"Handed to him"? BB doesn't hand anyone anything, especially a recent draft pick. He did realize Stidham's lost time this offseason was going to be an issue, so he all but handed it to Newton, though. And, you're seeing the absolutely horrendous results.

Stidham didn't lose anything. A decision was made based on the pandemic. If he cuts him, you'd be right. If he ends up being the QB after competing for the role in 2021, you're going to be wrong. It's just pretty funny you think the ship has sailed like it's a fact.

Again, judging a QB's progress in mop up duty is like judging a goalie prospect in hockey as he comes off the bench with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd for 3 games, pretending that means something.

Brady threw 2 INTs in Week of 2001 in the same kind of a role. What as your statement then? "This Brady guy sucks, I've seen enough.."....?

When you team is way behind and the rush can tee off on the OL and the QB, knowing you're not running the ball, that's why he's getting sacked or not playing all that well. At the very least, it's film for teaching moments. It's not a video game like you and others think it is. Are you going to cite Madden ratings next?

Jimmy was "terrific" in mop up duty? He was? When did that happen? He was also a terrible practice performer, too. What did you say then after BB worked with him DAILY to replace Brady? "He sucks because he sucks in practice.."...? Or, did you wait to see him in 2016 with a gameplan, with a rhythm, week to week practice with the 1s?

Hmm?

Why would Stidham not be afforded the same respect or developmental time as the other hand picked QBs by BB that Belichick worked with DAILY? You seem to keep missing this point. It's a fact BB worked DAILY with Brady, Cassel in 2008 and Jimmy G from 2014 through 2016 with Brady suspended in 2016. DAILY.

Do you think BB is a good coach or no?

 

[ashley]

luuked‘s BB worshipping cult recruiting a new member?

lol, not joining any cult, just calling it as I see it.

 

[sb1]

"Handed to him"? BB doesn't hand anyone anything, especially a recent draft pick. He did realize Stidham's lost time this offseason was going to be an issue, so he all but handed it to Newton, though. And, you're seeing the absolutely horrendous results.

Stidham didn't lose anything. A decision was made based on the pandemic. If he cuts him, you'd be right. If he ends up being the QB after competing for the role in 2021, you're going to be wrong. It's just pretty funny you think the ship has sailed like it's a fact.

Again, judging a QB's progress in mop up duty is like judging a goalie prospect in hockey as he comes off the bench with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd for 3 games, pretending that means something.

Brady threw 2 INTs in Week of 2001 in the same kind of a role. What as your statement then? "This Brady guy sucks, I've seen enough.."....?

When you team is way behind and the rush can tee off on the OL and the QB, knowing you're not running the ball, that's why he's getting sacked or not playing all that well. At the very least, it's film for teaching moments. It's not a video game like you and others think it is. Are you going to cite Madden ratings next?

Jimmy was "terrific" in mop up duty? He was? When did that happen? He was also a terrible practice performer, too. What did you say then after BB worked with him DAILY to replace Brady? "He sucks because he sucks in practice.."...? Or, did you wait to see him in 2016 with a gameplan, with a rhythm, week to week practice with the 1s?

Hmm?

Why would Stidham not be afforded the same respect or developmental time as the other hand picked QBs by BB that Belichick worked with DAILY? You seem to keep missing this point. It's a fact BB worked DAILY with Brady, Cassel in 2008 and Jimmy G from 2014 through 2016 with Brady suspended in 2016. DAILY.

Do you think BB is a good coach or no?

Yes I do, and that's why I take his word for it when he declared a guy who can't pass is preferable as the starter over Stidham.

Occam's Razor and all.

It really is remarkable how people insist Stidham ought to be compared to Brady as if their career trajectory will be the same. LOL. Funny how we never hear Stidham being compared to say Ryan Mallett and their career trajectory.

Just curious. Are you tylawpicksix on PFT? Similar posting style.

 

[PatsRebuild]

The Pats picking # 32 has been debunked ad naseum.

BB loved Brady so much that he waited 6 rounds to take him in a 7 round draft.

Makes complete sense now. Haha

Also, for the revisitionist history fans, BB sent Rebein out to find a QB. BB never told Rebein specifically Brady.

This is simply false. BB wondered why Brady was not being given more respect heading into the draft, if there were legit red flags, etc with him being pulled on and off the field at Michigan, and he wanted a new QB to replace Bledsoe. Yes. This info has been out there for years.

Umm, a new GM who ran away from the Jets after a disastrous Cleveland experience with an owner who wanted to keep Kosar over BB's choice of the quicker release Testaverde. is going to set his future on the lone decision of Rhebein? I don't think so. The final decision is BBs as GM. Why would he have Rhebein tell him what to do? Take on the input, sure. He does that with Scar and likely Ivan Fears input, but it's still his choice as GM. They BOTH liked him, not just Rheibien, hence why they narrowed it down to only 2 workouts with Brady and Rattay. It's not a random process and Rhebein wasn't telling BB what to do. It's laughable how immature the thinking is.

You people are so conditioned by the anti-BB media, it's downright scary. Yes, let's blame BB for any draft misses (which all teams have WORSE versions of) and then pretend he didn't make the call on Brady, keep him around as the 4th QB in 2000, and then develop him. Yes, let's all pretend.

Get your facts straight. Some of you were raised in a world of disinformation with the internet. Not a good look, as you can see by today's world.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

lol, not joining any cult, just calling it as I see it.

you're bringing up draft picks from 20 years ago to prove BBs worthiness of a GM in 2021. If BB loved brady so much, why did he wait 6 rounds to draft him in a 7 round draft?

how many pro bowlers has BB drafted since 2013? Answer 0

last Pro Bowler he drafted. 2013 Jamie Collins

7 years without finding a young star!

 

[PatsRebuild]

Yes I do, and that's why I take his word for it when he declared a guy who can't pass is preferable as the starter over Stidham.

Occam's Razor and all.

It really is remarkable how people insist Stidham ought to be compared to Brady as if their career trajectory will be the same. LOL. Funny how we never hear Stidham being compared to say Ryan Mallett and their career trajectory.

Just curious. Are you tylawpicksix on PFT? Similar posting style.

So, this means you think BB wasted his 4th rd pick on Stidham, the decision is made, and he'll be cut after the season. Gotcha.

At least we have you on record for that.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

This is simply false. BB wondered why Brady was not being given more respect heading into the draft, if there were legit red flags, etc with him being pulled on and off the field at Michigan, and he wanted a new QB to replace Bledsoe. Yes. This info has been out there for years.

Umm, a new GM who ran away from the Jets after a disastrous Cleveland experience with an owner who wanted to keep Kosar over BB's choice of the quicker release Testaverde. is going to set his future on the lone decision of Rhebein? I don't think so. The final decision is BBs as GM. Why would he have Rhebein tell him what to do? Take on the input, sure. He does that with Scar and likely Ivan Fears input, but it's still his choice as GM. They BOTH liked him, not just Rheibien, hence why they narrowed it down to only 2 workouts with Brady and Rattay. It's not a random process and Rhebein wasn't telling BB what to do. It's laughable how immature the thinking is.

You people are so conditioned by the anti-BB media, it's downright scary. Yes, let's blame BB for any draft misses (which all teams have WORSE versions of) and then pretend he didn't make the call on Brady, keep him around as the 4th QB in 2000, and then develop him. Yes, let's all pretend.

Get your facts straight. Some of you were raised in a world of disinformation with the internet. Not a good look, as you can see by today's world.

you can say what you want but since 2015. bb has drafted horribly which is why once brady left, we were on our way to a losing season. It’s happening now. It’s reality. We passed up on ELITE offensive talents in the draft and now we’re stuck with a bottom of the barrel offense

 

[sb1]

So, this means you think BB wasted his 4th rd pick on Stidham, the decision is made, and he'll be cut after the season. Gotcha.

At least we have you on record for that.

They'll go with a bridge who could still be Cam Newton + also a high draft pick QB to develop. There's no place for Stidham or any other QB who has shown no advancement since year 1.

You didn't answer my question. Are you? Just curious.

 

[ashley]

you're bringing up draft picks from 20 years ago to prove BBs worthiness of a GM in 2021. If BB loved brady so much, why did he wait 6 rounds to draft him in a 7 round draft?

how many pro bowlers has BB drafted since 2013? Answer 0

last Pro Bowler he drafted. 2013 Jamie Collins

7 years without finding a young star!

I'm just saying that picking Tom fricken Brady in the 6th round is the best draft pick of all time....that buys him a pass in my opinion, plus we are always picking at the end of the rest round...who was our last mid 1st rounder Devin McCourty, he hasn't turned out that bad, has he?
Pro Bowler, how about this year- JC Jackson, how about Thuney, Mason, D.Harris all great players. Have we missed on wide receivers and safeties in the 2nd round, sure, but every team has missed on player.

 

[ashley]

If Belichick had traded all his picks to get Brady, then yes. Belichick would be pretty much solely responsible for the greatest draft pick of all time. Thats not what history shows. Belichick finally spent a throw away draft pick on Brady. No great loss if Brady was cut the same year he was drafted. Like Braxton Berrios.

Red Auerbach went to personally watch Larry Bird play in college. All eyes were on Red. Red watched Bird for a while and then got up and walked out as if he was wasting his time. The media thought that Red was not touching Larry Bird with a 10 foot pole. Red signed Bird 1 year early before the draft.

There is the difference.

Red deserves 100% credit for pulling off a savvy move to land another Celtic great. Red knew that Bird was special.

Belichick was lucky that **** Rebein did not give up in the Pats draft room. Belichick had no idea that Brady was this good.

True, but Bill did it and nobody else did...The GOAT picked the GOAT and the rest is history!!!

 

[PatsRebuild]

you're bringing up draft picks from 20 years ago to prove BBs worthiness of a GM in 2021. If BB loved brady so much, why did he wait 6 rounds to draft him in a 7 round draft?

how many pro bowlers has BB drafted since 2013? Answer 0

last Pro Bowler he drafted. 2013 Jamie Collins

7 years without finding a young star!

Are you new to this fanbase? Kraft and bozo Grier wildly overpaid (like his dumb son is doing in Miami right now) Bledsoe, a slow footed, out of date, aging QB, because it was the best they had, so a developmental QB behind Bledsoe.

There's only 1 QB that wasn't meant to be developmental that we know and that's JimmyG. Since BB kept Stidham as the lone back up in 2019, and he progressed so fast after being drafted, BB walked from a cheap Hoyer. This would lead one to deduce BB was spending time with him DAILY, knowing Brady was gone.

What does that tell you? I mean, do you people pay attention at all to what BB does or just whine when he doesn't deliver a Lombardi to your door every February? Get a grip.

"Pro Bowlers"?

LOL!!!

This is a hoot! Guess who doesn't go to "Pro Bowls"? Thuney. Hightower, Van Noy (they had to have liked him in the draft, which is why BB dealt for him), Edelman, James White (scatback), Andrews, McCourty, JC Jackson (2nd in the NFL last year), Jon Jones (best nickel in the conference), and on and and on and on......Do you watch the NFL?

Before that, Rodney Harrison didn't go, Bruschi, Vrabel, etc, etc...Face it, people are so jealous of NE's success they can't even give the proper people a Pro Bowl nod when they actually deserve it. Did Matt Light ever go to a Pro Bowl because he was the second best LT in the AFC behind Ogden in the AFC for a decade. Hmm...Wait, Matt Light sucked! Damn that BB! He sucks! haha

Everyone knows the Pro Bowl is a joke, well, at least real NFL fans. These graphics the media puts up there are just there to take digs at BB becaseu they know they can't mock his coaching.

Any more lies we need debunked today? How does it feel to be so easily led by the media?

Inferior players constantly go to "Pro Bowls" who are not as good as these players I just listed.