BB: Our passing game isn't as efficient as it needs to be

[ashley]

He also is responsible for developing Brady and JimmyG. He didn't just draft him, he made him who he is today. That's what is so funny about this whole thing. When you have the greatest football mind ever giving you the answers to the test, that's why Brady evolved into who he is. People forget his really bumpy first year playing leading into the SB and the idea Bledsoe helped get them there vs Pitt. HIs 2002 season was poor, he didn't progress, but once he got more experience and some improved weapons who were younger, he started to grow. Apparently, some younger fans weren't around to see what actually happened, and have been conditioned to think Brady never made a mistake.

Very good points

 

[sb1]

He also is responsible for developing Brady and JimmyG. He didn't just draft him, he made him who he is today. That's what is so funny about this whole thing. When you have the greatest football mind ever giving you the answers to the test, that's why Brady evolved into who he is. People forget his really bumpy first year playing leading into the SB and the idea Bledsoe helped get them there vs Pitt. HIs 2002 season was poor, he didn't progress, but once he got more experience and some improved weapons who were younger, he started to grow. Apparently, some younger fans weren't around to see what actually happened, and have been conditioned to think Brady never made a mistake.

Also - Matt Cassel. The same Cassel that had an awful preseason and could have been a cut candidate turned into a decent QB by the end of the year. Pats probably make the playoffs this year with 2008 Cassel. Could run almost as good as Cam too.

As for Brady - he was still a bit raw in 2002 and tbh not always accurate. Smith's presence really helped him in 2001 but Smith had a down year in 2002 so when they lifted the reins a bit on Brady that might have been part of it. He did lead the league in TD passes but tbh when you see Aaron Brooks was second in that race then that doesn't really mean a lot to me as far as evaluating him as a QB.

But to me the Bears comeback game was a sign of things to come and showed he was definitely special.

2002 Patriots @ Bears - YouTube

 

[PatsRebuild]

Tommy Hodson would have beat Denver...

Absolutely. And Hodson sucked. That's how bad Newton has been. Zolak would have us at 10-6 this year. Sad, really. McDaniels obsession with the college run based QB,

well ask your lord belichick. He loves cam

Does he? Or is this just a pandemic band aid knowing everything is off schedule and he doesn't want Stidham's confidence to go or to get hurt?

 

[PatsRebuild]

Also - Matt Cassel. The same Cassel that had an awful preseason and could have been a cut candidate turned into a decent QB by the end of the year. Pats probably make the playoffs this year with 2008 Cassel. Could run almost as good as Cam too.

As for Brady - he was still a bit raw in 2002 and tbh not always accurate. Smith's presence really helped him in 2001 but Smith had a down year in 2002 so when they lifted the reins a bit on Brady that might have been part of it. He did lead the league in TD passes but tbh when you see Aaron Brooks was second in that race then that doesn't really mean a lot to me as far as evaluating him as a QB.

But to me the Bears comeback game was a sign of things to come and showed he was definitely special.

2002 Patriots @ Bears - YouTube

Good post. Agree.

This is why I think it's funny you have Stidham cast off already. Very odd. Every other QB BB worked with daily (a fact) BB turned into a success while the QB was here.

He never personally worked daily with any other QB whether it be Rohan Davey or Ryan Mallett. So, does this mean you think BB sucks developing QBs magically overnight or he is senile?

 

[Steve102]

BB cannot be deceived by Cam's charisma. We can all recognize he's a great guy, but since when does off-field allure come into play with on-field decisions. Maybe signing Flutie or Seau are the few times BB made roster decisions for nostalgic purposes. So, I'm trusting that with some time and distance to evaluate, BB will start over with the QB search. If he does bring Cam back, I'm going to live off the grid afterall as the world prepares for the anti-christ.

There's no way Belichick is swayed by charisma.

 

[PatsRebuild]

4 draft picks from the past 5 years? Bill's dog could've done better than that...

So, when you get sneaky like this, it needs to be called out.

Goodell cheated our team and stole our 1st and 4th rd picks in 2017. So, you can stop with the funny business because it looks disingenuous. Also, if you remove using a draft pick or picks to acquire a player, and then use the draft yield against BB, that's also disingenuous. All of it counts. Draft, FA signings and trades, including UDFA signings and development, the latter he's been the greatest in NFL history at, yet fans like you complain. It's just the strangest thing. It could be a psychological study, really. Throw in Pats Haters throughout the country so jealous of it and Pats fans like you who hate the process and journey tied to that success, and Freud would have been so over-worked, he would've have needed practices all over the country to handle the load.

BB's drafts have gone from solid to GREAT in many of the years this past decade. There is no way on earth an dynasty can be formed without good drafts. It's impossible because of the cap. You can't buy the base.

I would rank his last 3 drafts like this as it appears today on paper:

2018: B+
2019 A-/A
2020: Possible A

^That's just on the talent....Unless BB sucks as a coach, this is probably close to being accurate. I don't need ESPN to tell me things either.

You sound childish and entitled mocking the greatest GM ever during a pandemic and a rebuild away from the old guard. You probably said the exact same stuff while listening to 98.5 in 2010.

 

[TomPatriot]

I would rank his last 3 drafts like this as it appears today on paper:

2018: B+
2019 A-/A
2020: Possible A

B+ for the 2018 draft? I'd call it a C-. They picked nine players and four players from that draft are still on the team - Michel, Bentley, Wynn and Izzo. Michel is a solid player who has largely been supplanted by Harris. Izzo can't block and isn't much of a pass catcher; he probably doesn't make the team next year. When they say NE doesn't have any linebackers they mean Bentley isn't good enough. He sucks in coverage because he is slow, so he's not a 3 down player. He is really only a run defender/thumper. Wynn, when healthy, is a good player, though he can be overmatched against bigger edge rushers. So you really only have 3 productive players from that draft and no stars (though the jury is still out on Wynn).

It's too early to say on the other two drafts, though right now I'd call the the 2019 draft a B- and you may be right about the 2020 draft (I really like Uche, Dugger, Onwenu and Herron).

 

[sb1]

Good post. Agree.

This is why I think it's funny you have Stidham cast off already. Very odd. Every other QB BB worked with daily (a fact) BB turned into a success while the QB was here.

He never personally worked daily with any other QB whether it be Rohan Davey or Ryan Mallett. So, does this mean you think BB sucks developing QBs magically overnight or he is senile?

The table was set for Stidham and he blew it. Couldn't even beat out in camp a vet who has issues throwing a football and who hasn't played for almost a year, nor a journeyman backup whose best days are behind him. Not too often that a QB enters camp as presumed #1 and exits camp at QB3. I too was hoping Stid would be our new starter but not after that. Told me all I needed to know. Not one of his relief appearances showed me anything to suggest Bill is making a mistake keeping him on the bench. So I trust Bill's judgement on this.

Again it's not unusual, that's what is to be expected from a QB picked in the 4th round, especially one who regressed in his final year at college. Like most I was cheering for him to be The Heir too but reality is reality. I don't believe he is The Heir anymore so why bother starting him now unless Bill has already made a decision on Cam for 2021 and just wants to get the season over and done with.

At this point I will be surprised if the Pats keep him around next year. They can do a lot better than this in their search for a long term QB.

 

[Grogan14]

Th

So, when you get sneaky like this, it needs to be called out.

Goodell cheated our team and stole our 1st and 4th rd picks in 2017. So, you can stop with the funny business because it looks disingenuous. Also, if you remove using a draft pick or picks to acquire a player, and then use the draft yield against BB, that's also disingenuous. All of it counts. Draft, FA signings and trades, including UDFA signings and development, the latter he's been the greatest in NFL history at, yet fans like you complain. It's just the strangest thing. It could be a psychological study, really. Throw in Pats Haters throughout the country so jealous of it and Pats fans like you who hate the process and journey tied to that success, and Freud would have been so over-worked, he would've have needed practices all over the country to handle the load.

BB's drafts have gone from solid to GREAT in many of the years this past decade. There is no way on earth an dynasty can be formed without good drafts. It's impossible because of the cap. You can't buy the base.

I would rank his last 3 drafts like this as it appears today on paper:

2018: B+
2019 A-/A
2020: Possible A

^That's just on the talent....Unless BB sucks as a coach, this is probably close to being accurate. I don't need ESPN to tell me things either.

You sound childish and entitled mocking the greatest GM ever during a pandemic and a rebuild away from the old guard. You probably said the exact same stuff while listening to 98.5 in 2010.

Really? an A for the 2 of the last 3 drafts. You are kidding right? A demonstration of blind homerism if ever I have seen one.
Nkeal Harry Joejuan William Yodny Cajuste Froholdt Isaiah Wynn Sony Michelle Duke Dawson Jajuan Bentley, Juston Rohrwasser??????

Only good draft picks (not great) Onwenu Dugger Winovich, Damien Harrris

TBD Uche/Jennings

Incomplete Keene: AsiAsi


For the last 3 years he gets a B-/C+ at best. He passed over incredible talents to take this bunch.

 

[moosekill]

Remember the Bledsoe apologists?

Remember the KFFL and AOL boards? The Bledsoe love was sickening.

I remember a huge fight between Dale and Eddie on the radio before the superbowl that Bledsoe should be starting over Brady.

 

[203Pat]

So, when you get sneaky like this, it needs to be called out.

Goodell cheated our team and stole our 1st and 4th rd picks in 2017. So, you can stop with the funny business because it looks disingenuous. Also, if you remove using a draft pick or picks to acquire a player, and then use the draft yield against BB, that's also disingenuous. All of it counts. Draft, FA signings and trades, including UDFA signings and development, the latter he's been the greatest in NFL history at, yet fans like you complain. It's just the strangest thing. It could be a psychological study, really. Throw in Pats Haters throughout the country so jealous of it and Pats fans like you who hate the process and journey tied to that success, and Freud would have been so over-worked, he would've have needed practices all over the country to handle the load.

BB's drafts have gone from solid to GREAT in many of the years this past decade. There is no way on earth an dynasty can be formed without good drafts. It's impossible because of the cap. You can't buy the base.

I would rank his last 3 drafts like this as it appears today on paper:

2018: B+
2019 A-/A
2020: Possible A

^That's just on the talent....Unless BB sucks as a coach, this is probably close to being accurate. I don't need ESPN to tell me things either.

You sound childish and entitled mocking the greatest GM ever during a pandemic and a rebuild away from the old guard. You probably said the exact same stuff while listening to 98.5 in 2010.

2018 is a B+ draft? Wynn has not been able to stay on the field and has been up and down. Sony has gotten significantly worse each season and in addition to that has offered nothing in the passing game and doesn't even play anymore. Duke Dawson is a colossal bust. Bentley is a solid role player being asked to do far too much this year. Izzo is a starter in name only and at best a third TE. The rest aren't even on the team (and some are out of the league. Calling that draft a B+ is laughable.

The only thing more laughable than calling the 2018 draft a B+ is calling 2019 an A-/A. Our top two picks are huge busts. Harry lost snaps to a journeyman UDFA and another UDFA. Joejuan Williams was healthy scratch most of his rookie year and after basically confirming to Bill he cant play now hardly sees any snaps. Winovich and Harris look like solid pieces to build around but Cajuste cant get on the field and Froholdt only lasted a year on the team as a 4th rounder. The rest of that draft was special teamers or role players.

That is 2 drafts that yielded 3 players that are currently starting and only 2 are playing well (Wino and Harris).

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

No, we don't. We need a DE opposite Guy, though. We need an impact MLB since Hightower is likely done, another TE prospect and/or FA signing, and a #1 WR. That's not really a lot. The big thing is the QB, if that's what you mean. Important needs, sure. A lot? Nope.

We probably have the best STs in modern history with Bailey (outplayed Hekker, the other night), Folk an automatic, an explosive punt returner, so we just need a kick returner now. His punting is a work of art as is the double whammy duo of Slater/Bethel as gunners.

This is how bad the QB play has been. Even with exquisite STs and the #1 D last year or a pretty good D this year leading the league in takeaways, somehow it's always doom and gloom and darkness is right around the corner, when it's most likely not due to BB the GM and Coach.

That's not a "lot" of holes. We have very specific needs, actually, which bodes well for a quick righting of the ship, as opposed to a 3 year build. This team is a lot better than its record due to the talent already here.

What we do need to do is make decisions on Andrews's contract, James White (FA. does this mean BB is walking or waiting?), extend Guy immediately, and give JC Jackson the contract he deserves. Thuney may or may not be gone, since there is a dropping cap, that could help NE's cause in getting him signed long term as well.

Most of our needs are in-house already. The QB is obviously the big need.

I am actually curious why BB hasn't already extended Guy and White, to be honest. Seems like total no brainers, as they're not going to see a lot of FA action due to the dropping cap. As veterans, seems like each can come back on 3 year, fair deals. Andrews is the other concern, as good as he is. A bit of a headscratcher, as he usually is ahead of the contract schedule, to lock the player down. I realize Andrews had blood clots, so maybe they wanted to see there.

Very unlike BB to not have contracts for guys who have outplayed their deals all at once like this. If those guys do leave, then yes, we have a lot of holes to fill. But, for the moment, I disagree.

Always amazed how Pats fans don't get how good some of their own talent is. I guess it's the national narrative to mock Belichick the GM from behind a keyboard, as he coaches up another steal like JC Jackson, Byron Cowart or a Jakobi Meyers. Maybe it's JJ Taylor and Myles Bryant who are next.

Perhaps I overstated how big a need, and I do recognize we have some good talent.

Needs:
QB
WR
TE
LB
DE

Also, Free safety needs to be on our minds. I think there are good pieces on D for sure. QB/WR/TE are big enough needs that warrant capital, and MLB is nothing to feel confident about. We also could lose Gilmore to a trade, which would leave us with a big hole opposite JC. The run defense also didn't get fixed; we got destroyed when it mattered in 2019, and 2020 didnt look any different. There are and should be concerns here, mostly on offense, and we need to see what happens on the OL after the season with Thuney.

 

[Triumph]

In the end though it's Bill's call and wow, what a call that was...the greatest draft pick ever by the GOAT of coaches. Can't beat it!!!!

If Belichick had traded all his picks to get Brady, then yes. Belichick would be pretty much solely responsible for the greatest draft pick of all time. Thats not what history shows. Belichick finally spent a throw away draft pick on Brady. No great loss if Brady was cut the same year he was drafted. Like Braxton Berrios.

Red Auerbach went to personally watch Larry Bird play in college. All eyes were on Red. Red watched Bird for a while and then got up and walked out as if he was wasting his time. The media thought that Red was not touching Larry Bird with a 10 foot pole. Red signed Bird 1 year early before the draft.

There is the difference.

Red deserves 100% credit for pulling off a savvy move to land another Celtic great. Red knew that Bird was special.

Belichick was lucky that **** Rebein did not give up in the Pats draft room. Belichick had no idea that Brady was this good.

 

[PatsRebuild]

2018 is a B+ draft? Wynn has not been able to stay on the field and has been up and down. Sony has gotten significantly worse each season and in addition to that has offered nothing in the passing game and doesn't even play anymore. Duke Dawson is a colossal bust. Bentley is a solid role player being asked to do far too much this year. Izzo is a starter in name only and at best a third TE. The rest aren't even on the team (and some are out of the league. Calling that draft a B+ is laughable.

The only thing more laughable than calling the 2018 draft a B+ is calling 2019 an A-/A. Our top two picks are huge busts. Harry lost snaps to a journeyman UDFA and another UDFA. Joejuan Williams was healthy scratch most of his rookie year and after basically confirming to Bill he cant play now hardly sees any snaps. Winovich and Harris look like solid pieces to build around but Cajuste cant get on the field and Froholdt only lasted a year on the team as a 4th rounder. The rest of that draft was special teamers or role players.

That is 2 drafts that yielded 3 players that are currently starting and only 2 are playing well (Wino and Harris).

Wynn has been absolutely superb. That's not an opinion, but a fact. He's grading out as a top 5 LT. Guys can get dinged up. What was your opinion of Gronk's or Edelman's early career injuries?

Stupid argument.

Yes, B+ draft. A good, complimentary RB who helped win a SB, a top notch starting LT hand picked by Scar, and another UDFA gem that BB calls immediately to camp in JC Jackson who is now elite, is a good, solid draft. Yes.

3 good/great players in a draft who start or spot start and help win games or a SB, is B+-worthy. Do you study the other NFL teams and their situations? Because I do, and their yields are way worse.

 

[PatsRebuild]

Perhaps I overstated how big a need, and I do recognize we have some good talent.

Needs:
QB
WR
TE
LB
DE

Also, Free safety needs to be on our minds. I think there are good pieces on D for sure. QB/WR/TE are big enough needs that warrant capital, and MLB is nothing to feel confident about. We also could lose Gilmore to a trade, which would leave us with a big hole opposite JC. The run defense also didn't get fixed; we got destroyed when it mattered in 2019, and 2020 didnt look any different. There are and should be concerns here, mostly on offense, and we need to see what happens on the OL after the season with Thuney.

You're a bit more negative than I am, but our coaching is so good overall, I have more faith than you do. I got the impression JoeJuan Williams was a McCourty replacement at FS. BB had him out there last at the end of games, too, and he took some time at CB vs the Chargers last week, so who knows, but that's the vibe I got. His long and rangy like McCourty and you don't just walk into Vanderbilt. SO, he's smart like Mcourty. We need football IQ on the back end, agreed.

Every time you say something like "Oh no! Gilmore may be traded or we need a Safety" I can basically give you a solution IN-HOUSE, where BB already has a guy, we just haven't seen them play or play much.

For example, if Thuney does go, Onwenu could possible slide over and then you have Herron, the latter also IMO looks good. We're already seeing BB's teambuild in the works, is the point. I like the way both have looked. It;s very impressive. No camp, no preseason, a pandemic and rookies playing well. Again, that's impressive.

I am not smarter than BB, nor are you, but I follow what he does and why he does it.

 

[PatsRebuild]

If Belichick had traded all his picks to get Brady, then yes. Belichick would be pretty much solely responsible for the greatest draft pick of all time. Thats not what history shows. Belichick finally spent a throw away draft pick on Brady. No great loss if Brady was cut the same year he was drafted. Like Braxton Bellios.

Red Auerbach went to personally watch Larry Bird play in college. All eyes were on Red. Red watched Bird for a while and then got up and walked out as if he was wasting his time. The media thought that Red was not touching Larry Bird with a 10 foot pole. Red signed Bird 1 year early before the draft.

There is the difference.

Red deserves 100% credit for pulling off a savvy move to land another Celtic great. Red knew that Bird was special.

Belichick was lucky that **** Rebein did not give up in the Pats draft room. Belichick had no idea that Brady was this good.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. BB loved Brady's make up and signed off on it as much as it was Rhebein liking him and working him out. BB is the one who sent Rhebein to work him out and Tim Rattay. These aren't accidents. If what you say is true, which it isn't, BB wouldn't have drafted him at all (only SDs Mike Riley liked Brady enough to maybe draft him in Rd 7) and he would have been an UDFA.

BB doesn't randomly draft people by throwing darts and the board. My goodness, you people have an illness with this revisionist history crap.

You know who is overrated in the GM worlds? Bill Polian and Phil Jackson. Both cupcaked into situations with obvious slam dunk HOFers on the team. Polian joined Manning and Faulk. Jackson was lucky to get opps with Jordan or Kobe/Shaq.

BB literally selected Brady over a hunch and then groomed him himself. Brady didn't go to some science lab and get a chip put in his head in 2003.

 

[PatsRebuild]

Th

Really? an A for the 2 of the last 3 drafts. You are kidding right? A demonstration of blind homerism if ever I have seen one.
Nkeal Harry Joejuan William Yodny Cajuste Froholdt Isaiah Wynn Sony Michelle Duke Dawson Jajuan Bentley, Juston Rohrwasser??????

Only good draft picks (not great) Onwenu Dugger Winovich, Damien Harrris

TBD Uche/Jennings

Incomplete Keene: AsiAsi


For the last 3 years he gets a B-/C+ at best. He passed over incredible talents to take this bunch.

Sure, sure. We've only been hearing garbage like this for 20 years. You and others so personally offended that every single draft pick doesn't go to the HOF, yet magically crappier teams have all the great players, as BB is senile and not knowledgeable or a good coach. Gotcha.

All over a pandemic and crybaby Brady leaving. Awesome analysis.

 

[PatsRebuild]

The table was set for Stidham and he blew it. Couldn't even beat out in camp a vet who has issues throwing a football and who hasn't played for almost a year, nor a journeyman backup whose best days are behind him. Not too often that a QB enters camp as presumed #1 and exits camp at QB3. I too was hoping Stid would be our new starter but not after that. Told me all I needed to know. Not one of his relief appearances showed me anything to suggest Bill is making a mistake keeping him on the bench. So I trust Bill's judgement on this.

Again it's not unusual, that's what is to be expected from a QB picked in the 4th round, especially one who regressed in his final year at college. Like most I was cheering for him to be The Heir too but reality is reality. I don't believe he is The Heir anymore so why bother starting him now unless Bill has already made a decision on Cam for 2021 and just wants to get the season over and done with.

At this point I will be surprised if the Pats keep him around next year. They can do a lot better than this in their search for a long term QB.

What? There really wasn't a camp this year, so enough. There was no way to even see his progress without being around him. A Zoom meeting only goes so far.

The next thing we know McDaniels gets a toy, Goodell takes calls from owners to yet again steal a draft pick over it (not a coincidence the pick was stolen the day Newton was signed, which caused outrage which is hilarious now to think about), and he was immediately handed the job. There was no- OTAs, mini camp or a real camp or preseason games. So, there's nothing to see in terms of live action to compare to his first preseason. At one point, there was a report of Newton turning around asking Hoyer and Stidham for help on a play in practice. Once I read that, I knew McDaniels's little toy had us screwed. The only ones who blew it are Newton and McDaniels, with some blame needing to go to BB too, since he signed off on it.

To put a pandemic and his growth being stunted or BB not being able to work with him in person, is pretty disgusting. It's also pretty obvious you have bad eyes, because he clearly passed the eye test in preseason for me just like Brady and JimmyG did. All 3 were the only ones that looked the part, regardless of it being preseason or not. Aaron Rodgers, same thing. I nailed that one, too. I saw one preseason game in 2005 vs Dallas and I had it nailed. You can just tell how they lead the huddle the control they have on a drive. That's how you know something is there. If he doesn't take the coaching and does regress, sure, then you'd be right. It's stupefying how some of you are ignoring the pandemic. I mean, Ivan Fears just yesterday admitted how difficult it's been.

Next, Stidham transferred from Baylor to Auburn because of a sex scandal from the guy who recruited him. He went to a system that wasn't mean for him and still shows good signs as a prospect, hence why he was drafted.

Also the former NE and Seattle scout who recommended Wilson to Carroll, recommended Stidham to BB. He also runs the Senior Bowl. I think all of these people know a lot more than yourself.

How embarrassed are you going to be if it is Stidham and BB just hits the reset button in 2021 due to the pandemic? What will you do?

 

[Triumph]

The Pats picking # 32 has been debunked ad naseum.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. BB loved Brady's make up and signed off on it as much as it was Rhebein liking him and working him out. BB is the one who sent Rhebein to work him out and Tim Rattay. These aren't accidents. If what you say is true, which it isn't, BB wouldn't have drafted him at all (only SDs Mike Riley liked Brady enough to maybe draft him in Rd 7) and he would have been an UDFA.

BB doesn't randomly draft people by throwing darts and the board. My goodness, you people have an illness with this revisionist history crap.

You know who is overrated in the GM worlds? Bill Polian and Phil Jackson. Both cupcaked into situations with obvious slam dunk HOFers on the team. Polian joined Manning and Faulk. Jackson was lucky to get opps with Jordan or Kobe/Shaq.

BB literally selected Brady over a hunch and then groomed him himself. Brady didn't go to some science lab and get a chip put in his head in 2003.

BB loved Brady so much that he waited 6 rounds to take him in a 7 round draft.

Makes complete sense now. Haha

Also, for the revisitionist history fans, BB sent Rebein out to find a QB. BB never told Rebein specifically Brady.

 

[Triumph]

What? There really wasn't a camp this year, so enough. There was no way to even see his progress without being around him. A Zoom meeting only goes so far.

The next thing we know McDaniels gets a toy, Goodell takes calls from owners to yet again steal a draft pick over it (not a coincidence the pick was stolen the day Newton was signed, which caused outrage which is hilarious now to think about), and he was immediately handed the job. There was no- OTAs, mini camp or a real camp or preseason games. So, there's nothing to see in terms of live action to compare to his first preseason. At one point, there was a report of Newton turning around asking Hoyer and Stidham for help on a play in practice. Once I read that, I knew McDaniels's little toy had us screwed. The only ones who blew it are Newton and McDaniels, with some blame needing to go to BB too, since he signed off on it.

To put a pandemic and his growth being stunted or BB not being able to work with him in person, is pretty disgusting. It's also pretty obvious you have bad eyes, because he clearly passed the eye test in preseason for me just like Brady and JimmyG did. All 3 were the only ones that looked the part, regardless of it being preseason or not. Aaron Rodgers, same thing. I nailed that one, too. I saw one preseason game in 2005 vs Dallas and I had it nailed. You can just tell how they lead the huddle the control they have on a drive. That's how you know something is there. If he doesn't take the coaching and does regress, sure, then you'd be right. It's stupefying how some of you are ignoring the pandemic. I mean, Ivan Fears just yesterday admitted how difficult it's been.

Next, Stidham transferred from Baylor to Auburn because of a sex scandal from the guy who recruited him. He went to a system that wasn't mean for him and still shows good signs as a prospect, hence why he was drafted.

Also the former NE and Seattle scout who recommended Wilson to Carroll, recommended Stidham to BB. He also runs the Senior Bowl. I think all of these people know a lot more than yourself.

How embarrassed are you going to be if it is Stidham and BB just hits the reset button in 2021 due to the pandemic? What will you do?

Sticking up for BB the GM.

Perhaps you can list all the WRs that were draft hits for the Pats. Shouldn't take you too long since there are 2. Unless you're still in Camp Harry which is totally possible with the homers.