Bait and switch

[TX_Patriot]

Just a quick thought that came to me today. Do you think BB could pull out one of his old tricks and use this focus on Edelman to bait Eli? Basically, put Edelman and McCourty on the same side, Julian at CB and Devin at S and then switch them at the snap. BB used this trick against Peyton with Rodney and Ty to great effect in the 2003 SB run if I remember correctly. What do you guys think?

 

[strngplyr]

He used a similar coverage in a few games this season where he had one DB lined up who would then drop out of that assignment at the snap and another DB would take over.

I could see it happening if he trusts his players to do it in the biggest game.

 

[Ring 6]

Just a quick thought that came to me today. Do you think BB could pull out one of his old tricks and use this focus on Edelman to bait Eli? Basically, put Edelman and McCourty on the same side, Julian at CB and Devin at S and then switch them at the snap. BB used this trick against Peyton with Rodney and Ty to great effect in the 2003 SB run if I remember correctly. What do you guys think?

Edelman played 125 snaps all season on defense. He played ZERO in 3 of 4 games from week 13-16. He played 4 vs Denver.
Over half of his snaps were in the Buffalo game when he played 41 straight snaps as a tryout, and last week when he played 27 because Arrington was injured for 24.
At best he is the 6th DB, and more likely 7th, and we used 6 DBs on zero plays vs the Giants in week 9.
It is much more likely that Edelman doesn't see the field on defense than it is that we have a gameplan trick revolving around him.
The real trick is the Giants are so focussed on a guy they probably won't even face.

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

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The real trick is the Giants are so focussed on a guy they probably won't even face.

That's the ultimate bait 'n switch!

 

[JJDChE]

I'm still waiting for the Edelman flea flicker.

 

[TX_Patriot]

It is much more likely that Edelman doesn't see the field on defense than it is that we have a gameplan trick revolving around him.
The real trick is the Giants are so focussed on a guy they probably won't even face.

I totally agree with your sentiment here, I don't think he'll be out there on D either...but...I kinda wonder if BB would play him a couple snaps just to see if Eli automatically goes that way and take a chance on jumping a route. I wouldn't do this with the game in the balance or late in the 4th. I don't know, after writing this out, I'm talking myself out of it. lol!

 

[Ring 6]

I totally agree with your sentiment here, I don't think he'll be out there on D either...but...I kinda wonder if BB would play him a couple snaps just to see if Eli automatically goes that way and take a chance on jumping a route. I wouldn't do this with the game in the balance or late in the 4th. I don't know, after writing this out, I'm talking myself out of it. lol!

Interesting but it would rely on Manning basing the play on his WRs comments during the week and not what he sees in coverage.

 

[patchick]

The real trick is the Giants are so focussed on a guy they probably won't even face.

I think the Giants should be focusing like a laser on facing Edelman as a DB and Solder as a pass-catching TE. I also hope they've devoted at least one practice to stopping Shane Vereen.

 

[jbb9s]

if only they had one more semi-solid type of CB, someone who might be over paid but who cares - the money is going unusued and you're under the cap - someone like..... leigh bodden

 

[PittPatriot]

I'm still waiting for the Edelman flea flicker.

If we don't see at least 1 Edelman flea flicker or reverse, I will be disappointed. He has the ability to make something happen even if the play falls apart.

 

[strngplyr]

if only they had one more semi-solid type of CB, someone who might be over paid but who cares - the money is going unusued and you're under the cap - someone like..... leigh bodden

That guy who nobody picked up after getting released because he has a bad back?

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

That guy who nobody picked up after getting released because he has a bad back?

Yeah, yeah - that! Yeah, that's the ticket, alright!

 

[BAM!]

Just a quick thought that came to me today. Do you think BB could pull out one of his old tricks and use this focus on Edelman to bait Eli? Basically, put Edelman and McCourty on the same side, Julian at CB and Devin at S and then switch them at the snap. BB used this trick against Peyton with Rodney and Ty to great effect in the 2003 SB run if I remember correctly. What do you guys think?

Seriously doubt it, McCourty and Edelman ar no where close to being the talents that Ty and Rodney were. Although I have been known to be wrong in the past. Just don't think BB trusts those guys to be able to pull it off effectively.

 

[Ring 6]

if only they had one more semi-solid type of CB, someone who might be over paid but who cares - the money is going unusued and you're under the cap - someone like..... leigh bodden

If he was the Bodden of old and he was healthy he would be here. Instead we have other guys who give us a better chance to win, such as Sterling Moore, who is in Boddens place.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Just a quick thought that came to me today. Do you think BB could pull out one of his old tricks and use this focus on Edelman to bait Eli? Basically, put Edelman and McCourty on the same side, Julian at CB and Devin at S and then switch them at the snap. BB used this trick against Peyton with Rodney and Ty to great effect in the 2003 SB run if I remember correctly. What do you guys think?

If this happened (big IF), then I'd say McCourty shades up to the line and does act as a CB as you sggest, but Julian would get sent o na corner blitz (blind side naturally).

 

[scout]

I'm still waiting for the Edelman flea flicker.

The guy can throw the ball. If it is not there, he can run. The guy can run the ball. A TD by Edelman through a trick play is right up there with Brady's Jacksonville Heist.

 

[jbb9s]

That guy who nobody picked up after getting released because he has a bad back?

how many draft picks did the patriots trade or use to acquire the three or four other players that have filled in the defensive backfield this year? apparently nobody wanted them either and they were actually healthy.

if Bodden had not been put on IR, it's possible he could be playing by now. They do it every year whether it be Wright or Vollmer or remember the last good years for Eugene Wilson.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

I totally agree with your sentiment here, I don't think he'll be out there on D either...but...I kinda wonder if BB would play him a couple snaps just to see if Eli automatically goes that way and take a chance on jumping a route. I wouldn't do this with the game in the balance or late in the 4th. I don't know, after writing this out, I'm talking myself out of it. lol!

I'm not sure the BB would do that. Edelpeson is a liability on defense. We all know it. He may see the field a bit to spell a winded or injured player, but I don't think he'd be deliberately be put on the field unless he had to be.

I would bet anytime that he spent practicing on the defense this past couple weeks continued to emphasize the fundamentals of coverage and secondary play. I doubt, based on watching his efforts out there game to game, that he's progressed to the point that they would have wasted a lot of practice time on advanced scheming like that.

Just my opinion.

 

[Sciz]

The guy can throw the ball. If it is not there, he can run. The guy can run the ball. A TD by Edelman through a trick play is right up there with Brady's Jacksonville Heist.

TD from Edelman to Solder?

 

[andrewgarrr]

TD from Edelman to Solder?

Down 4 points with 12 seconds left in the fourth quarter:

70 yard catch and run from Edelman to Chad Ochocinco for 6 points.