Awesomeness: Malcolm Butler pimps Bill Belichick

[ralmat55]

the one who focuses everything he does on winning championships.

Actually, this is wrong. The strategy has always been as expressed so many times by so many has been to “contend” for championships every year and not go all in for any one season.

If Belichick had not needlessly nickled and dimed Deion Branch, Ty Law and Adam Viniatieri out of town in the mid 2000s, another couple of championships might have been won. Add those 3 players to the 06 team and the Colts don’t win that AFC championship game and Super Bowl. Shipping Richard Seymour to Oakland for a first rounder two years hence sure didn’t help keep together a defense that could win a championship either.

Hmmm. One thing I’ve noticed about those 4 players is that would not allow themselves to be needlessly bullied. I see a pattern there.

The Patriot Way is Tom Brady. Belichick was 5-13 in his tenure as Patriots coach when lightening struck. The offensive Lawrence Taylor arrived on the scene to save Bully Bill’s bacon. A lot of coaches could have won a lot of games and championships with Brady as their QB. We always used to joke that Belichick the GM was killing Belichick the HC. Truth is it was just the reverse.

If you doubt this, imagine these two scenarios. A week from today as the Patriots prepare for TC to start the POTUS hires Bill Belichick to replace Admiral Kelly as WH Chief of Staff. Or, Tom Brady decides to quit football to be a full time male model. What combination do you think would win the most games this season? Hoyer and Belichick? or Brady and McDaniels?

 

[DarrylS]

The Patriot Way is Tom Brady. Belichick was 5-13 in his tenure as Patriots coach when lightening struck. The offensive Lawrence Taylor arrived on the scene to save Bully Bill’s bacon. A lot of coaches could have won a lot of games and championships with Brady as their QB. We always used to joke that Belichick the GM was killing Belichick the HC. Truth is it was just the reverse.

The "Patriot Way" was made up by the press and media, and have never heard those words uttered by BB and his inner circle...

This is that old argument of BB vs. TB, who is responsible for the Pats greatness??? Both are as is the team, as great at #12 is.. BB devised plans to help this team achieve their goal. To go back and criticize BB for letting specific players go and if he did not let them go what might happen is pure speculation... if anything we have learned is not to fall in love with the veterans, and it is better to let them go a year early, rather than overpay past their prime..

BB as the best GM in the league is pretty much universally accepted by his peers.. we all do not like everything he does, but in the long run difficult to argue with this level of success.. what is oft overlooked in this whole argument is consistent coaching, most of these guys Ivan Fears, Dante etc have been here for a while now and that provides a constant philosophy of expectations..

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Great thread appreciated in this long off season.
Never read the Malcom Mega Thread.

 

[Triumph]

Benching Malcolm will go down as a biggest blunder of BBs coaching career. Its right up there in Boston sports history with the trading Bobby Orr and Babe Ruth. Leaving Pedro in the game.

Belichick the Head Coach has failed Belichick the GM. Time to hang up the whistle.

 

[maust]

Never read the Malcom Mega Thread.

Word is it's big in Japan.

 

[maust]

Its right up there in Boston sports history with the trading Bobby Orr...

Which itself is historically speaking right up there with the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor

 

[Vatahala]

How much of a factor was it for Butler to sign with a familiar system like Vrabel and the Titans, did he have decent multiple signing options?

If he had signed with the Ravens would he still be so nice to BB?

 

[jah]

Actually, this is wrong. The strategy has always been as expressed so many times by so many has been to “contend” for championships every year and not go all in for any one season.

If Belichick had not needlessly nickled and dimed Deion Branch, Ty Law and Adam Viniatieri out of town in the mid 2000s, another couple of championships might have been won. Add those 3 players to the 06 team and the Colts don’t win that AFC championship game and Super Bowl. Shipping Richard Seymour to Oakland for a first rounder two years hence sure didn’t help keep together a defense that could win a championship either.

Hmmm. One thing I’ve noticed about those 4 players is that would not allow themselves to be needlessly bullied. I see a pattern there.

The Patriot Way is Tom Brady. Belichick was 5-13 in his tenure as Patriots coach when lightening struck. The offensive Lawrence Taylor arrived on the scene to save Bully Bill’s bacon. A lot of coaches could have won a lot of games and championships with Brady as their QB. We always used to joke that Belichick the GM was killing Belichick the HC. Truth is it was just the reverse.

If you doubt this, imagine these two scenarios. A week from today as the Patriots prepare for TC to start the POTUS hires Bill Belichick to replace Admiral Kelly as WH Chief of Staff. Or, Tom Brady decides to quit football to be a full time male model. What combination do you think would win the most games this season? Hoyer and Belichick? or Brady and McDaniels?

I don't even know where to start with this post, but suffice to say that McDaniels is not the coaching equivalent of Hoyer.

 

[Ring 6]

The "Patriot Way" was made up by the press and media, and have never heard those words uttered by BB and his inner circle...

This is that old argument of BB vs. TB, who is responsible for the Pats greatness??? Both are as is the team, as great at #12 is.. BB devised plans to help this team achieve their goal. To go back and criticize BB for letting specific players go and if he did not let them go what might happen is pure speculation... if anything we have learned is not to fall in love with the veterans, and it is better to let them go a year early, rather than overpay past their prime..

BB as the best GM in the league is pretty much universally accepted by his peers.. we all do not like everything he does, but in the long run difficult to argue with this level of success.. what is oft overlooked in this whole argument is consistent coaching, most of these guys Ivan Fears, Dante etc have been here for a while now and that provides a constant philosophy of expectations..

The Patriot Way as you say is an invented phrase but the patriots do have a different approach.

The “leg someone go” argument is inane. Roster are rebuilt every season. The idea that if all the incoming changes happened but also the outgoing didn’t ignores there is a salary cap.
Deion Branch was an example used. Deion wanted ridiculous money. Keeping him for nothing on the team that moved forward would have made it better. Keeping him at his price would mean deleting players from the team that moved forward.

Every personnel decision under a cap is a decision of the best use of the money. The high paid guy is not normally the best use of the money and the alternative is usually a number of upgrades across the roster.

 

[Kontradiction]

I think butler has realized that if he had followed the patriot way in the 2 weeks before the Sb he would have played and his team probably would have won, so he has accepted that the patriot way is better than the Malcolm way.

Wait... say that again one more time and then try to defend the coach that chose (key word here) to sit him.

 

[maust]

Shipping Richard Seymour to Oakland for a first rounder two years hence sure didn’t help keep together a defense that could win a championship either.

Hmmm. One thing I’ve noticed about those 4 players is that would not allow themselves to be needlessly bullied. I see a pattern there.

There was plenty amiss with that entire post but it's the knock on the Seymour trade that I couldn't let go unaddressed. The ripples of the Seymour trade are still yielding positive results to this day but among the currently known gains were Solder and Vereen as well as the draft leverage and cap space that in turn netted Chandler Jones and Hightower who between them have 5 rings as Patriots. The flip side was in his four seasons in Oakland, the Raiders went 25-38-1 while paying Seymour an AAV of $13.5m in a time when the cap averaged @ $122M to play 53 of 64 games. Just netting Solder and the cap space alone would probably have made that trade worthwhile. Discounting the cap ramifications of the various moves is just beyond silly. It's easy to forget that Vinatieri shotgunned his way out of town by only agreeing to sign his franchise tag if the Pats guaranteed they would not apply the tag again and Branch did the same by holding out to force a trade and was paid stupid money by Seattle who got very little out of him. Law is the only player on your list who in terms of cost/benefit I think they should have been able to find a reasonable way to keep.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

There was plenty amiss with that entire post but it's the knock on the Seymour trade that I couldn't let go unaddressed. The ripples of the Seymour trade are still yielding positive results to this day but among the currently known gains were Solder and Vereen as well as the draft leverage and cap space that in turn netted Chandler Jones and Hightower who between them have 5 rings as Patriots. The flip side was in his four seasons in Oakland, the Raiders went 25-38-1 while paying Seymour an AAV of $13.5m in a time when the cap averaged @ $122M to play 53 of 64 games. Just netting Solder and the cap space alone would probably have made that trade worthwhile. Discounting the cap ramifications of the various moves is just beyond silly. It's easy to forget that Vinatieri shotgunned his way out of town by only agreeing to sign his franchise tag if the Pats guaranteed they would not apply the tag again and Branch did the same by holding out to force a trade and was paid stupid money by Seattle who got very little out of him. Law is the only player on your list who in terms of cost/benefit I think they should have been able to find a reasonable way to keep.

ya know what? Quite often when a cat appears to be taking a nap, he or she is actually deep thinking. You have deep thoughts.

 

[n6249c]

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I’m very happy Butler has moved on to better things and wish him the very best. It sounds like his new Coach might be an ass like his old coach, so it’s smart to ingratiate himself to him. The class Butler demonstrated throughout this whole matter stands as further proof his benching was unmerited.

I agreed with all you said, except that last sentence.

First of all, class has nothing to do with ability to contribute to winning a Super Bowl. Second, even if it did it could be that some other factor such as illness could outweigh it and justify his benching. So that conclusion of yours is simply unmerited.

I think you made a great point about his new team having a coach and a GM with very deep ties to his old team. I think it is extremely telling that they obviously were not put off by his benching.

 

[maust]

ya know what? Quite often when a cat appears to be taking a nap, he or she is actually deep thinking. You have deep thoughts.

Most of the time when our pet appears to be taking a nap he really is. But sometimes when that '130 lbs of unfriendly persuasion' appears to be taking a nap he is just hoping to lull any potential intruders into a false sense of security. It's up to them to figure out which time is which.

 

[n6249c]

... it’s just not realistic to think the player didn’t do something to cause it.
When that player proceeds to speak glowingly of that coach and how great the “patriot way” is you end up seeing the other facet of the patriot way, no one will air the dirty laundry and throw butler under the bus.

Could be that getting sick and practicing poorly or missing some practices were what he did. Those aren't violations of the Patriot Way.

 

[PlainOldEd]

This is great and all but I must ask, why isn’t this added into the Malcolm butler mega thread?

Well, I for one would have never seen it if it was there. I think it definitely warranted it's own thread.

 

[Ring 6]

Could be that getting sick and practicing poorly or missing some practices were what he did. Those aren't violations of the Patriot Way.

Practicing poorly and not being dialed in to the game plan (which he admitted) certainly are.

 

[aluminum seats]

BTW even WITH Butler, we were facing a superior team with a quarterback who was in the zone at that moment in time in a way I've only ever seen before from Brady. Our defense was outmatched even with Butler in the field and Foles was on fire. you can assume nothing about how the outcome of the game might change

Also I won't dismiss the possibility that there was a valid reason not to play Butler that everyone's keeping quiet about, until Bill has been retired for years and writes his memoirs and makes a clean breast about SB52. It's a logical fallacy that because no reason was given, there was no reason. There was a reason. Bill Belichick does not do things like this without a reason. And until we know what the reason was, we CAN'T argue about the Butler benching with anything other than opinion, speculation and Monday morning coaching. That and 2 bucks will buy you a bag of potato chips.

The problem with all of those words is that nobody has come up with even a hypothetical that justifies the decision. It’s just asinine pupu platters of not being “dialed in” or similar nonsense.

 

[Ring 6]

The problem with all of those words is that nobody has come up with even a hypothetical that justifies the decision. It’s just asinine pupu platters of not being “dialed in” or similar nonsense.

That is wrong. You have not accepted the valid hypotheticals but they certainly have been offered and have been reasonable.

 

[aluminum seats]

That is wrong. You have not accepted the valid hypotheticals but they certainly have been offered and have been reasonable.

No, benching your starting cornerback, who played nearly every snap of the season, for the entire Super Bowl while your defense gets annihilated because he wasn’t “100 % dialed in” isn’t reasonable. It’s utter nonsense.