Patriots Rumor Asante's asking to be traded?

[DaBruinz]

We've always known that Asante's agent would attempt some posturing to get a long term deal done at some point in the offseason. He'd be an idiot if he didn't and Samuel would fire him - and no other player would hire him.

They are simply cognizent of the timing issue here - that he Redskins trade with Chicago fell through but that the media still wants to talk about trading for the #6 pick... so his agent injects Samuel and the Patriots into the mix.

This is football negotiations 101 - not a surprise in the least.

That being said, I continue to have a gut feeling that says I wouldn't be surprised to see the Patriots get that #6 pick - possibly by trading both #1s.

Everyone says the Patriots would never do this because the #6 pick is too expensive and doesn't represent value.

Yeah - there were a ton of people who felt that Richard Seymour was a bust and not worth his rookie contract weren't there? BB's probably kicking himself for not trading down from #6.

Football Negotiating 101 (as taught by the Patriots):
1) Never involve the media. If you do, you will cost yourself money.
2) We believe you are worth x amount. Work with us and we will see what we can do.
3) Go back to #1.

Asante was stupid for talking to the media. Though he didn't go into numbers, it was still a dumb move.

 

[Terry Glenn is a cowgirl]

Actually, Faulk doesn't fumble every 10-12 touches. His career average is 1 fumble every 57.5 rushes and 1 every 44 Punt returns/kick returns and receptions.

...and when he fumbles, he fumbles big.

 

[PATRIOT64]

If we give up Asante for draft picks fine...Lets just send him to a team that sucks now and will likely suck next year,we don't need a crap trade where we get two first rounders to a team like we did with the one first rounder to Seattle at 24 last year..Not worth it and not high enough to give up a starter..

Lets see,Detroit lost Dre Bly - Detroit will likely suck this year and next - 2 HIGH Draft choices and a chance to grab ANYONE we want this year including Calvin Johnson or Leron Landry with 2nd pick - HMMMM

Losing Asante may not be so bad if Detroit wants him.

 

[PushnPencils]

Actually, Faulk doesn't fumble every 10-12 touches. His career average is 1 fumble every 57.5 rushes and 1 every 44 Punt returns/kick returns and receptions.

He has 23 career fumbles and 1163 touches. That is 1 fumble every 50 times he touches the ball.



There is no telling what the 2008 season will bring in terms of receivers other than Welker and Jackson. They are the only two signed. Stallworth MAY be back, but who knows.

Definitely an exagerration on my part, but you gotta admit, he seems to fumble at very bad times.

I think what magnifies it is many times he fumbles while making what looks like is gonna be a big gain or game-changing play.

 

[mgcolby]

You cherrypick his worst games/plays and then make a sweeping statement that he's not a top 10 CB. Of course looking at his worse moments will make him look bad. But it's not exactly what I'd call compelling evidence. Besides in this league a corner MUST have a short memory and not let his mistakes haunt him, and just continue to play his best on a day in day out basis.

Let's not overlook his overall stats of 24 passes deflected and tied for the league lead with 10 interceptions.

http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=23745

Do I think there were 10 corners in the league that amassed better defensive stats than Samuel. No. Statistics don't prove everything but Samuel has built a compelling case that he is one of the best young corners in the game, especially when you include his playoff performances.

If you're trying to rip Samuel just because you perceive him as being on the way out or you are somehow thinking that would bring his value down, I think it's a futile effort. Samuel will be demanding what today's market bears for a good young cover corner, and that happens to be a lot.

If I'm BB and I'm convinced that I am not going to shell out for Samuel, then I need to maneuver for the best deal that I can get for him. And in that situation it's actually in your best interest to talk up Samuel. The exact opposite is true if you're trying to get him to sign a reasonable deal. And right now, until we hear differently, trade is a very big possibility.

First I didn't cherry pick anything! I pointed out the first plays that come to mind on April 4th. A sweeping statement? Saying he is a top 10 maybe even top 5 isn't a sweeping statement?

I've been ripping Samuel for the past two seasons for the same style of play that led to his 10 picks. He takes to many risks - the only reason why many on this board are defending him is because of his 10 picks. But after the 05 season when he couldn't catch the ball if it was handed to him - everyone thought he was at best a servicable starter who might not even start this past season. I give him credit (and have in the past as well) for improving his hands.

How would my criticism of him bring down his value? I have been consitent on my position. Give Asante a fair deal around 5-6 mil with about 15 mil in guarantees or (my preference) trade him because his value will likely never be higher.

 

[mgcolby]

If they can get 2 first rounders for him, I'm all for it. I just don't see that happening.

They won't get that over compensated for him.

 

[PushnPencils]

They won't get that over compensated for him.

Hey like I said in an earlier post...

See if you could send him to Tampa for their 2 second rounders this year.

I'd do that deal no problemo...

 

[italia44]

This is burning up the 'skins board-extremeskins.

They'd much rather have Asante than Briggs:

Consensus:Samuels + #24,#28 for:

Skins #6-this year + 2008-1st Round

This is stupid ........but,BALLS of fun.

 

[mgcolby]

Hey like I said in an earlier post...

See if you could send him to Tampa for their 2 second rounders this year.

I'd do that deal no problemo...

Me too, or even a 1 and a mid level pick. There weren't to many folks who thought we would get a #1 for Branch - so anythings possible. I guess.

 

[PushnPencils]

This is burning up the 'skins board-extremeskins.

They'd much rather have Asante than Briggs:

Consensus:Samuels + #24,#28 for:

Skins #6-this year + 2008-1st Round

This is stupid ........but,BALLS of fun.

I can imagine Snyder reading that board and making the call to Pioli tomorrow.

I LOVE THAT GUY!

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Assante's asking to be traded?

Read what he said right here:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10108712

This bothers me...if NE said it, then they need to put up:

Samuel's frustration goes beyond the limitations that other teams are facing in trading for him. He said that when the offseason started, the Patriots told him they would take care of him with "an elite contract." But in Samuel's opinion, no "elite contract" has been forthcoming at a time when San Francisco shelled out $80 million for free-agent cornerback Nate Clements.

Ok. That says nothing about Dre Bly, as Remix6 was referring to.

Now, as for what the Pats deem is an ELITE contract, well, Asante needs to STFU and realize that negotiations take time and that the best negotiations are the ones where no one is happy with what they gave up, but both sides realize it was needed to get the job done.

That is what I have always found amazing aobut htese players. They just want, want, want, without really giving up anything. I want to know if Asante is going to put in a clause that will require him to give back salary if he doesn' make 7 int a year or 15 passes defensed in a year.

 

[DaBruinz]

You can't call him greedy. Teams set the market value, not the player.

He is definitely worth as much as Dre Bly.

The Pat's aren't making too many sacrifices as the $30.00 parking and $7.00 beers will attest.

He never said he wanted to be highest paid. Just paid fairly.

........on a side note........PacMan may become available for us around week 8.

And if the Pats offered him 5.95 million a year, would you consider that Fairly paid? I would.

 

[DaBruinz]

This is burning up the 'skins board-extremeskins.

They'd much rather have Asante than Briggs:

Consensus:Samuels + #24,#28 for:

Skins #6-this year + 2008-1st Round

This is stupid ........but,BALLS of fun.

NO WAY. That is a total rip off. If the Skins want Asante, then their 2nd and 4th this year and 1st next year.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

And if the Pats offered him 5.95 million a year, would you consider that Fairly paid? I would.

Over how long and with how much guaranteed?

 

[DaBruinz]

Over how long and with how much guaranteed?

5 years and 15 mill in guarantees.

 

[PushnPencils]

Re: Assante's asking to be traded?

Ok. That says nothing about Dre Bly, as Remix6 was referring to.

Now, as for what the Pats deem is an ELITE contract, well, Asante needs to STFU and realize that negotiations take time and that the best negotiations are the ones where no one is happy with what they gave up, but both sides realize it was needed to get the job done.

That is what I have always found amazing aobut htese players. They just want, want, want, without really giving up anything. I want to know if Asante is going to put in a clause that will require him to give back salary if he doesn' make 7 int a year or 15 passes defensed in a year.

In a way you could look at it and say that Asante looks at the Denver situation and thinks....Bly has no loyalty nor ties to the Broncos, no history with them and look at the contract they give him. I've been a good soldier here, I just want to get paid what the market has established. Plus he sees the Pats being very contractually accommodating to some players and not others.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

5 years and 15 mill in guarantees.

I would say your jipping him on the guaranteed money. Other than that your fine.

 

[VJCPatriot]

NO WAY. That is a total rip off. If the Skins want Asante, then their 2nd and 4th this year and 1st next year.

I don't disagree with your sentiment... but I believe that the Redskins lack a 2nd round pick this year.

 

[PushnPencils]

NO WAY. That is a total rip off. If the Skins want Asante, then their 2nd and 4th this year and 1st next year.

You do realize that there is a VERY good chance that the 08' pick could be the #1 or #2 overall next year. Redskins are awful.

I'd do it.

 

[DaBruinz]

You do realize that there is a VERY good chance that the 08' pick could be the #1 or #2 overall next year. Redskins are awful.

I'd do it.

You do realize that Asante is a 4 year veteran right? Add in the Pats 2 1st rounders and you have a helluva lot more than that #6 this year and whatever pick you get next year.

Its absurd. Especially the financial committment the Pats would be obligated to make.