Are we a quarterback away from being good?

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Qb
Wr1
Reliable Lt
New st coach

Those 4 would make a world of a difference for this team. We already have a great d with judon/gonzalez back next year and the run game was picking up until rham got hurt. Its just qb and wr1 are the toughest spots to find out of all positions

 

[Real fan 02]

No we are not but we need an upgrade at the QB position badly.

Agreed. We have 19 years of evidence of what good QB play can do for organization.. heck.. some QB may even get 6 superbowls..

 

[50-yard-line]

I agree. I don’t think we need a WR this draft. QBs take time to develop anyway.

Get Jeudy if he’s not outrageously priced.

He plays fast, really fast.

Ridley is possibly hitting the market, He’s a head case, or was, but the sheer talent is undeniable.

 

[upstater1]

I'm skeptical of this. Not impressed with the OL. The defense can best be described as well coached, rather than talented. I think you can make an argument to trade down and spread out the draft value. I know those top QBs are tempting and sometimes QB can hide a lot of flaws but I'm not thrilled with the roster and I'd accept a lesser QB to build up the OL, DL and running game. Hell, if we can build the line enough I'd keep rolling with Zappe In my mind the key to take a step forward with this roster is the left side of the line, not so much QB.

What do you mean by good?

As in, if we had a good QB, would the Patriots have a winning record? Yes. Mac Jones is that bad.

If you mean contending, then no. They also need an LT and a WR.

The OL needs an LT, but otherwise Onwenu, Andrews, Sow and Strange are better than most OLs collectively. They're giving the QBs time to throw right now and you see them opening huge running lanes.

Defense is very talented: Barmore, Jennings, Dugger, Peppers, Jon Jones, Keion White, Gonzalez, Judon, Godchaux, Wise, Tavai, Benltey, Mack Wilson, Marcus Jones. This is a very good collection of players, and don't give all the credit to Belichick. These guys are wrecking people.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I think Belichick drops a bit to acquire draft capital and grabs
J.J McCarthy who could go top 10 so it is risky. Commanders have extra 2nd and 3rd round picks.

 

[Triumph]

We just lost the babe Ruth of qbs.

Malik.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

No. We're a new coaching staff (the right one, obviously), new OL, new WR, new RB, new TE, new QB, new pass rusher, new CB away. There are many many holes on this roster right now. And if we don't get the right coaches, we'll NEVER have the right anything else.

 

[VrabelJr]

No. We're a new coaching staff (the right one, obviously), new OL, new WR, new RB, new TE, new QB, new pass rusher, new CB away. There are many many holes on this roster right now. And if we don't get the right coaches, we'll NEVER have the right anything else.

New RB? New CB? New DE? What?!

 

[BennyBledsoe]

New RB: we can't rely on Zeke to be around beyond this year. New CBs. Look at the ages of our depth pieces. Jonathan Jones is 30. Jalen Mills turns 30 next year. We have no guarantee how Gonzalez will come back. New DE. Deatrich Wise turns 30 next year. And who else do we have supplying pressure from the DE spot? Who else is getting out there in run defense? Uche and Judon are LBs, if that's what you're thinking.

 

[PATS16N0]

 

[RIpats88]

What is the ceiling we are talking about? I keep hearing this over and over.

Firing on all cylinders Would we be .500 competing for a wildcard spot? Sure. But not anything more than that.

If juju/parker are your top targets, no 3rd down back and an OL that is average our ceiling never was that high to compete with the real NFL teams.

 

[Toofy]

Tbh , next 2 years is a wash. We might be setting our qb for failure like bryce young if we draft now. I honestly would try to stockpile draft picks for 2025 and draft Oline for 2024 and draft players who would need 1 year if game experience to start shining in 2025. And then draft a qb in 2025 or 2026 depending on how the line and wide receivers develop.

It's am unpopular decision but the team is rank bad and will also stutter in defense next year due to the change . So more likely than not we might end up with another top 3 pick in 2025.

 

[RIpats88]

Tbh , next 2 years is a wash. We might be setting our qb for failure like bryce young if we draft now. I honestly would try to stockpile draft picks for 2025 and draft Oline for 2024 and draft players who would need 1 year if game experience to start shining in 2025. And then draft a qb in 2025 or 2026 depending on how the line and wide receivers develop.

It's am unpopular decision but the team is rank bad and will also stutter in defense next year due to the change . So more likely than not we might end up with another top 3 pick in 2025.

We could always sit the young QB. Although I do agree it does scare me that without a talent infusion on offense we could be putting a rookie QB in the same situation we did Mac Jones.

Now before the claws come out. That's not to say Mac ever would've been more than what he is now. But even the most ardent BB supporters have to admit I'd hope they wouldn't want to handle a young QB the same way.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

You're always a QB away from being good if you don't have the guy but there's more to it...look at the Chargers

A good quarterback can keep you from being bottom of the barrel with 1-3 win seasons, but a 4-7 wins a season does nobody good.

 

[yukon cornelius]

What do you mean by good?

As in, if we had a good QB, would the Patriots have a winning record? Yes. Mac Jones is that bad.

If you mean contending, then no. They also need an LT and a WR.

The OL needs an LT, but otherwise Onwenu, Andrews, Sow and Strange are better than most OLs collectively. They're giving the QBs time to throw right now and you see them opening huge running lanes.

Defense is very talented: Barmore, Jennings, Dugger, Peppers, Jon Jones, Keion White, Gonzalez, Judon, Godchaux, Wise, Tavai, Benltey, Mack Wilson, Marcus Jones. This is a very good collection of players, and don't give all the credit to Belichick. These guys are wrecking people.

i think at this point you need a LT and C - Andrews experience helps, but he just can't move laterally quick enough to pick up blitzes & stunts, from what i've seen

but i agree with LT and likely a swing tackle as well.....a couple of WRs........gotta resign Henry.......I wouldn't mind an actual deep safety

 

[Wozzy]

They're a good QB away from competing for the AFC.

Zappe went out in his second start this season, the first not in the pouring rain, and posted the second highest point total on the entire season.

Juju had the best game of his Patriot career amassing almost 100 yards. The only WR's they had healthy were Juju, Thornton and Raegor. Not surprisingly the offensive line also looked good.

I'm not even saying Zappe is the answer, but with a Burrow level QB instead of Mac, they'd have made the playoff every season since 2021 and be competing now for the AFC. What team is dominating the AFC right now?

Imagine Joe Burrow with Douglas, Bourne, Henry, Gesicki, Rhamondre, Zeke, Juju, Parker... are we blaming the weapons or offensive line, do they look bad... no.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

They're a good QB away from competing for the AFC.

Zappe went out in his second start this season, the first not in the pouring rain, and posted the second highest point total on the entire season.

Juju had the best game of his Patriot career amassing almost 100 yards. The only WR's they had healthy were Juju, Thornton and Raegor. Not surprisingly the offensive line also looked good.

I'm not even saying Zappe is the answer, but with a Burrow level QB instead of Mac, they'd have made the playoff every season since 2021 and be competing now for the AFC. What team is dominating the AFC right now?

Imagine Joe Burrow with Douglas, Bourne, Henry, Gesicki, Rhamondre, Zeke, Juju, Parker... are we blaming the weapons or offensive line, do they look bad... no.

Yeah, I doubt Zappe is the answer but Mac Jones is just that bad. People talk about how he was good as a rookie, but I’ve read on here and kinda agree with the fact that the coaches limited him as a rookie. Probably because they knew he had to be.

 

[Rob0729]

They're a good QB away from competing for the AFC.

Zappe went out in his second start this season, the first not in the pouring rain, and posted the second highest point total on the entire season.

Juju had the best game of his Patriot career amassing almost 100 yards. The only WR's they had healthy were Juju, Thornton and Raegor. Not surprisingly the offensive line also looked good.

I'm not even saying Zappe is the answer, but with a Burrow level QB instead of Mac, they'd have made the playoff every season since 2021 and be competing now for the AFC. What team is dominating the AFC right now?

Imagine Joe Burrow with Douglas, Bourne, Henry, Gesicki, Rhamondre, Zeke, Juju, Parker... are we blaming the weapons or offensive line, do they look bad... no.

I think the first half last week had a lot to do with the Steelers. Not taking away from the Pats, but the Steelers played a role in the first half success. One TD drive was an 11 yard drive. The second Henry TD was a great, but dangerous throw. That safety was in perfect position to make the INT and whiffed. And TJ Watt suffered a concussion the first play of the game.

You want declare one half of football as proof of anything. Let’s see how things go the rest of the way before we determine anything. Zappe has started four halves of football and was mediocre in three of them.

Hopefully he will play closer to how he played in the first half last week, but that is yet to be determined.

 

[neuronet]

We are a QB and GM who can draft offensive talent away from being good.

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah, I doubt Zappe is the answer but Mac Jones is just that bad. People talk about how he was good as a rookie, but I’ve read on here and kinda agree with the fact that the coaches limited him as a rookie. Probably because they knew he had to be.

People also seem to only remember how he played prior to the bye week his rookie season and forget how bad he looked down the stretch. He looked like the player we've been watching the last two years at the end of 2021. The saying used for Mac "good for a rookie" is exactly that. He looked decent as a rookie, but if you're still seeing the same mistakes and no improved play in year's two and three it's a real problem.

Look at the career arc of all the great or even good QB'S in history. Most made improvements in year's one-two-three... they didn't stay the same before taking a flaming nose dive in year three.

Mac has been terrible, he was leading the NFL in interceptions last season when he got hurt and should have been benched at that point. I get BB's thinking about player development and giving Mac time to fix himself... but I disagree wholeheartedly that it was a good idea. If Zappe looks great for the rest of this season and next, we'll be looking back at these past two years as wasted seasons.