Are the WRs actually getting open?

[TommyD4207]

We're only having this conversation because media morons are watching replays and have no clue what they're looking at.



This ^ is one of the worst takes here today. Polk was wide open?

Watch the play again, instead of watching Polk alone, instead of watching the CB trailing him... look at the DE lurking underneath. Polk comes open on the sideline eventually, but it was an extremely high difficulty throw and the DE was sitting on it the entire play.

Polk wasn't wide open, he was NFL open, and Onwenu ole'd the defensive end, causing Brissett to rush the throw on the playaction rollout. The sad thing is, this is one of the few times where Brissett wasn't just swarmed under on a playaction, but Onwenu's inability to even get a chip on that play destroyed it. Guard playing tackle. Conversely, Onwenu was worried about the D-Tackle, because he instantly beat Robinson, even though Brissett wasn't going to be there.

But yeah, Onwenu gets the chip, Brissett gets half a second to set his feet? That's a 20 yard completion. And the sad thing is, that's some of the best protection Brissett got all day.

 

[Wozzy]

Polk wasn't wide open, he was NFL open, and Onwenu ole'd the defensive end, causing Brissett to rush the throw on the playaction rollout. The sad thing is, this is one of the few times where Brissett wasn't just swarmed under on a playaction, but Onwenu's inability to even get a chip on that play destroyed it. Guard playing tackle. Conversely, Onwenu was worried about the D-Tackle, because he instantly beat Robinson, even though Brissett wasn't going to be there.

But yeah, Onwenu gets the chip, Brissett gets half a second to set his feet? That's a 20 yard completion. And the sad thing is, that's some of the best protection Brissett got all day.

Everyone thinks this is a completion, until the DE reaches up and snatches it out of the air and rumbles up the field, or the LB directly in his face jumps up and blocks the pass possibly tipping it to himself for another INT... then everyone questions why the QB threw the ball. The play action froze the D for a second, Jacoby probably should have taken the underneath throw to Henry. Saying "Polk was wide open" was the terrible take.

 

[Dec54]

Me and well.

Say hello to well for me please.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Absolutely Jacoby is cautious with his throws - that's why he has the second-best (to Rodgers) turnover rate in the NFL. That's the sort of QB he is - tough, able to stand up to hits and pressure, but not a gunslinger. Would have been enough to win the game yesterday absent some hiccups that were not his fault.

Despite us running the ball well, defenses do not seem to be biting on play-action. Wonder if we have a tell?

 

[TommyD4207]

Absolutely Jacoby is cautious with his throws - that's why he has the second-best (to Rodgers) turnover rate in the NFL. That's the sort of QB he is - tough, able to stand up to hits and pressure, but not a gunslinger. Would have been enough to win the game yesterday absent some hiccups that were not his fault.

Despite us running the ball well, defenses do not seem to be biting on play-action. Wonder if we have a tell?

Playaction requires an extra second of time to set and throw after the QB turns their back on the defense. Even against stacked boxes, which has been almost every play, even when the entire front 8 bites on the run fake, the line play has been so poor, that they're STILL able to instantly beat their man, and pressure Brissett before he even gets to turn back forward again.

 

[Wozzy]

Caleb Williams has been sacked 9 times in two games, Jayden Daniels 7 times...

Jacob has dealt with the highest pressure rate in the NFL and only been sacked 4 times. He has shown great pocket presence and escaped obvious sacks multiple times to extend plays and convert third downs. We don't want Maye getting hurt.

 

[PP2]

We're only having this conversation because media morons are watching replays and have no clue what they're looking at.



This ^ is one of the worst takes here today. Polk was wide open?

Watch the play again, instead of watching Polk alone, instead of watching the CB trailing him... look at the DE lurking underneath. Polk comes open on the sideline eventually, but it was an extremely high difficulty throw and the DE was sitting on it the entire play.

Taylor Kyles is not a "media moron." He's one of the best at film breakdowns, as far as the Patriots media is concerned.

That wasn't a DE "sitting" on the play, that was a linebacker.

A couple mistakes Brissett makes on this play: he lingers too long trying to sell the fake handoff. He doesn't get his eyes up fast enough, and only sees Gipson coming at him at the last minute. He should have pivoted decisively right after faking the handoff. His throwing on the run technique is terrible, no "pec to pec," both hands on the ball, and doesn't get over the arch. He breaks the cardinal rule of slowing up just as he throws the ball and even fades backwards. QBs throwing on the run are taught never to pull up at any point because that leads to loss of throwing velocity. Of course there are some gunslingers who break all those rules because they have a cannon of an arm. Brissett is not one of them.

 

[Jim Beankie]

We're only having this conversation because media morons are watching replays and have no clue what they're looking at.



This ^ is one of the worst takes here today. Polk was wide open?

Watch the play again, instead of watching Polk alone, instead of watching the CB trailing him... look at the DE lurking underneath. Polk comes open on the sideline eventually, but it was an extremely high difficulty throw and the DE was sitting on it the entire play.

Plus if he threw it in the direction of where it needed to be thrown, it would've been directly over the oncoming rusher, which more than likely would've been batted (although in this specific case, he might've been lucky if he had tried).

Edit: You already mentioned it in a followup post.

 

[Jim Beankie]

HH an AH both have solid separation numbers (3.3 and 3.1, respectively). The only eligible WR for stats (Osborn) currently has lower separation than DParker last year. That being said, to reiterate, imho separation is also a QB stat.

 

[mgteich]

I've read quite a bit of debate on this between fans. Haven't really personally noticed tbh, not re-watching the tape or looking at all 22. Is Brissett just not seeing guys? I know OL has been a big factor.

The WR's were not open enough for Brissett to see them well enough to even attempting to throw the ball.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Brissett is currently in last place this year in LCAD (Longest Completed Air Distance) at 26.4 air yds. Next dude is 9 figures Cousins in the low 30s.

 

[TommyD4207]

Taylor Kyles is not a "media moron." He's one of the best at film breakdowns, as far as the Patriots media is concerned.

1) He's not.
2) His 'breakdowns' today (and there have been more than one) are just embarrassing hot sports take ********.

 

[Brotherblues]

Pop Douglas has 3 targets in 2 games, and he runs slot routes, quick-breaking routes, and he can't even get the ball, because there's no time to throw.

No time to throw it Douglas? I just don't see it bro. I think it is pass rushers who should be frustrated, saying "We can't get to the QB because Pop gets open too fast."

 

[TommyD4207]

No time to throw it Douglas? I just don't see it bro. I think it is pass rushers who should be frustrated, saying "We can't get to the QB because Pop gets open too fast."

Yes. I'm telling you, watch when Douglas clears his coverage, and watch what position Brissett is in. I promise you 90% of the time, he's either ducking an oncoming rusher, or already broken the pocket.

Pop Douglas gets open faster than even average slot receivers. I'm not blaming him in the slightest.

As far as 'not seeing it bro', watch the tape. This is exactly what's happening. The pass protection is NFL-historically bad.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Lazar:

Although the passing offense's limitations are clearly a problem, is it a Patriots-only issue or a league-wide trend? In the first two weeks, the NFL is averaging just over 190 passing yards per game. Despite his limited production, Brissett is tenth in QBR and smack-dab in the middle in expected points added per drop-back (15th, +0.05). From an efficiency standpoint, Brissett has been around or slightly above league average.

After Further Review: How Can the Patriots Get Their Passing Game Going and Other Film Observations From Loss to Seahawks

 

[TommyD4207]

Lazar:

After Further Review: How Can the Patriots Get Their Passing Game Going and Other Film Observations From Loss to Seahawks

Think about that, and realize it goes into what many people are saying here. He's doing what he can with the situation he's in.

I tell you, it makes drafting 2 WRs look pretty dumb right now.

 

[TheRainMaker]

We're only having this conversation because media morons are watching replays and have no clue what they're looking at.



This ^ is one of the worst takes here today. Polk was wide open?

Watch the play again, instead of watching Polk alone, instead of watching the CB trailing him... look at the DE lurking underneath. Polk comes open on the sideline eventually, but it was an extremely high difficulty throw and the DE was sitting on it the entire play.

What the hell is Kyles looking at? He loses the argument in the 2nd angle behind the LOS.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Lazar:

After Further Review: How Can the Patriots Get Their Passing Game Going and Other Film Observations From Loss to Seahawks

It was pretty weird to notice on Sun that MaAutos got 2 more passing yds than Brisk (but also had 2 INTs and more importantly got the win).

 

[TommyD4207]

What the hell is Kyles looking at? He loses the argument in the 2nd angle behind the LOS.

Henry's the only throw Brissett could have possibly made without risking a turnover. And that was like a 3 yard pass.

 

[lancerman]

it's probably a 3 way issue between the pass blocking, qb and wr. I saw clips where WR where open but Brissett did not see them or had no time. I am sure there were sequences with good pass blocking but WR not open

This is the same problem we had the last two years.

On a passing play it was likely that either

1. The line folded and created a sack or pressure for throwaway/bad throw
2. Even if the line held up, a very large portion of the time the receivers would just not get open and the QB either had to make a decision to kill the play or wait until things fell apart.
3. EVEN if the receivers got open and the line held up, the QB isn't consistent and talented enough to always make the right play and execute it well.

It's hard to judge anybody when there is such a lack of constency across the board.