After the Draft 53 Man Roster Projection - 5/8/2020

[ralmat55]

Salary guarantees are a useful tool to improve the chances that a player waived who the team wants to continue working with on the PS makes it through waivers as any claiming would take on the responsibility of the guarantee. Teams will often claim players for a look see before waiving them again in hopes of sneaking them through to their PS. The Patriots have done this frequently. Of course, if you waive them, the player can sign with original team’s PS, and you’re left paying the guarantee.

Also, now that PS players can’t be paid more than the set amount in the CBA. Guarantees can be used to increase the compensation of a PS player, and, maybe, give the player an incentive to join the Pats PS if waived and an incentive to turn down an offer to join the 53 of another team. I suspect when we see the contract details for the Patriots 3rd day draftees you’ll see some guaranteed salary in many if not all their contracts.

 

[Ring 6]

Salary guarantees are a useful tool to improve the chances that a player waived who the team wants to continue working with on the PS makes it through waivers as any claiming would take on the responsibility of the guarantee. Teams will often claim players for a look see before waiving them again in hopes of sneaking them through to their PS. The Patriots have done this frequently. Of course, if you waive them, the player can sign with original team’s PS, and you’re left paying the guarantee.

Also, now that PS players can’t be paid more than the set amount in the CBA. Guarantees can be used to increase the compensation of a PS player, and, maybe, give the player an incentive to join the Pats PS if waived and an incentive to turn down an offer to join the 53 of another team. I suspect when we see the contract details for the Patriots 3rd day draftees you’ll see some guaranteed salary in many if not all their contracts.

Why would that help retain them on the practice squad? They get the guaranteed money whether they stay or leave.

 

[50-yard-line]

I still see one big trade coming and several acquisitions after some vets are cut elsewhere.

When is Patspicker typically activated? Expecting an exciting off-season.

 

[Miguel]

Whoever that person who writes those blogs is keeps arguing that he keeps UDFAs based on the signing bonus they have received when there never has been any correlation with that. I think recently I saw @Miguel arguing something similar on Twitter.

Burt's or Hasting's signing bonus means nothing relative to likelihood to make the team. Those are just the costs to get them into camp and have a look.

You did. Last year Gunner got $2,500 guaranteed. Made team. Andrew Beck got $115,000 guaranteed. Did not make team.

Justin Herron will receive a larger guarantee via his signing bonus than any of the UDFAs. Does anyone think he is guaranteed a roster spot.

 

[Miguel]

I suspect when we see the contract details for the Patriots 3rd day draftees you’ll see some guaranteed salary in many if not all their contracts.

There is no guaranteed salary in any of the deals for the 3rd day guarantees. Their only guarantee is their signing bonus.

 

[captain stone]

They will keep 3 qbs

Who might be the third QB? Somebody not yet with the team?

 

[iapatsfan]

I still can not figure out how our defensive line is going to stop the run.

It won't. This defense is being designed to keep our offense off the field.

 

[ralmat55]

Why would that help retain them on the practice squad? They get the guaranteed money whether they stay or leave.

Because the player and agent would make an informal promise to do so in return for the guarantee. The team is off the hook if the player is claimed on waivers when cut. And, offset language could be used to recoup some or all of the guarantee if the player should break their promise and join another team’s 53 man roster afterwards.

I was just speculating about a possible work around to possibly keep players you want to develop on the PS now that you can only pay a practice squad player $8,400 a week when another team wants to sign them to their 53 man roster at $35,600 a week for, at least, 3 weeks without promoting them to your 53 man roster.

 

[ralmat55]

There is no guaranteed salary in any of the deals for the 3rd day guarantees. Their only guarantee is their signing bonus.

I see that now on overthecap.com. Over the cap doesn’t show the guarantees reportedly paid some of the UDFAs but do show signing bonuses. Do your sources show those guarantees are as reported?

 

[Ring 6]

Because the player and agent would make an informal promise to do so in return for the guarantee. The team is off the hook if the player is claimed on waivers when cut. And, offset language could be used to recoup some or all of the guarantee if the player should break their promise and join another team’s 53 man roster afterwards.

I was just speculating about a possible work around to possibly keep players you want to develop on the PS now that you can only pay a practice squad player $8,400 a week when another team wants to sign them to their 53 man roster at $35,600 a week for, at least, 3 weeks without promoting them to your 53 man roster.

That’s entirely against the rules and makes no sense from the players perspective. A 70k signing bonus, which is not allowed to come with strings attached certainly wouldn’t make sense to a player if it means he forfeits his right to be picked up onto a real roster.

 

[Ring 6]

I see that now on overthecap.com. Over the cap doesn’t show the guarantees reportedly paid some of the UDFAs but do show signing bonuses. Do your sources show those guarantees are as reported?

Pretty sure the signing bonus and the guarantee are the same thing.

 

[Miguel]

Pretty sure the signing bonus and the guarantee are the same thing.

It is not. For example, Will Hastings received a $7,500 signing bonus and has $50,000 of his salary fully guaranteed.

 

[State]

NFL Draft & Combine Profile - Leki Fotu | NFL.com

It won't. This defense is being designed to keep our offense off the field.

Bill is probably hoping he’ll get a cast-off veteran.

The parlous state of our D line against a powerful rush attack goes back to last year’s draft when Bill had a tingle go up his leg for Joeslow Williams.

We gave up our second- and third-round selections (56 & 101) for pick #45.

Bad value!

That made it more unlikely that we drafted a TE that year, which was a position of obvious need. A truly bonehead move by Bill; if he wasn’t so arrogant he’d admit not drafting a Dawson Knox in 2019 was a mistake.

So this year’s draft we stock up on two TEs, who will undoubtedly be hurt by the lack of a rookie minicamp, but the two move ups to do so prevented our drafting a stout DT like Utah’s Leki Fotu whom the Cardinals drafted early in the fourth round.

Great value! And he won’t redshirt like Joeslow did last year.

And Damien Harris.

And this season? Who knows. But put the two rookie TEs and our first pick from the Div II school as solid candidates for redshirt rookie campaigns.

Dawson Knox says the move from SEC Ole Miss to the Bills was “a huge jump” in this interview with Mike Giardi. Buffalo Bills tight end Dawson Knox describes how he's handling offseason from home

When will people acknowledge that Bill has a bad string of drafts going that prompted the GOAT QB to leave the team? Maybe a 5-11 season might show it even to the Bill apologists.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

NFL Draft & Combine Profile - Leki Fotu | NFL.comBill is probably hoping he’ll get a cast-off veteran.

The parlous state of our D line against a powerful rush attack goes back to last year’s draft when Bill had a tingle go up his leg for Joeslow Williams.

We gave up our second- and third-round selections (56 & 101) for pick #45.

Bad value!

That made it more unlikely that we drafted a TE that year, which was a position of obvious need. A truly bonehead move by Bill; if he wasn’t so arrogant he’d admit not drafting a Dawson Knox in 2019 was a mistake.

So this year’s draft we stock up on two TEs, who will undoubtedly be hurt by the lack of a rookie minicamp, but the two move ups to do so prevented our drafting a stout DT like Utah’s Leki Fotu whom the Cardinals drafted early in the fourth round.

Great value! And he won’t redshirt like Joeslow did last year.

And Damien Harris.

And this season? Who knows. But put the two rookie TEs and our first pick from the Div II school as solid candidates for redshirt rookie campaigns.

Dawson Knox says the move from SEC Ole Miss to the Bills was “a huge jump” in this interview with Mike Giardi. Buffalo Bills tight end Dawson Knox describes how he's handling offseason from home

When will people acknowledge that Bill has a bad string of drafts going that prompted the GOAT QB to leave the team? Maybe a 5-11 season might show it even to the Bill apologists.

Pick 45-450
Pick 56 + 101=436

2020 NFL Trade Value Chart

You can question the pick but it wasn’t bad value, we actually got really good value on the trade.

 

[State]

Browns move up for the pick immediately after Joeslow Williams

Browns receive:
» 2019 second-round pick (No. 46; select Greedy Williams)

Colts receive:
» 2019 second-round pick (No. 49; select LB Ben Banogu)
» 2019 fifth-round pick (No. 144; select S Marvell Tell III)

So there are different trade charts out there. A second- and third-round selections for 45, versus second- and fifth-round selections for 46

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Browns move up for the pick immediately after Joeslow Williams

Browns receive:
» 2019 second-round pick (No. 46; select Greedy Williams)

Colts receive:
» 2019 second-round pick (No. 49; select LB Ben Banogu)
» 2019 fifth-round pick (No. 144; select S Marvell Tell III)

So there are different trade charts out there. A second- and third-round selections for 45, versus second- and fifth-round selections for 46

Browns only had to move up 3 spots, we had to move up 11 spots. Hence the difference in the additional pick given to trade up.