31-14

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Guys, by no means am I trying to downplay the talent of the Jets. They are a good football team with the potential to be great. And I'm not trying to downplay the need for the Patriots to make improvements. We've got a long way to go.

We aren't crap though. With the way our season ended and the way the Jets season kept going, it's easy to forget that we aren't a terrible football team, and the Jets are not the greatest team ever.

It's easy to forget that 31-14 score in Week 11 last season. We forget that Sanchez had 4 INTs to compliment his 8 completions against our TERRIBLE defense. We forget that the Pats offense put up 410 yards against the Jets VAUNTED defense.

All I'm saying is that we aren't suddenly the Rams because of a disheartening playoff loss. The Jets aren't a team that blew us out twice to go along with improving this offseason.

Again, I'm not shooting down the possibility of a great Jets football team this year, just as I am not assuming everything will be ok for the Pats. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't ignore the highs of the Pats or the lows of the Jets.

If the Colts don't throw in the towel in Week 16, it's possible the Jets lose their 8th game of the season and don't make the playoffs. If Kevin Faulk doesn't bobble the catch against the Colts, we're 11-5.

The Jets will be good this season. But we aren't going to be terrible this season. It's not time to freak out.

 

[supafly]

I agree, nice thread.

I'm down for any kind of optimism to rally our fans etc, but the reality is that things will likely always lie in the middle anyway. The Pats will never be as 'bad' as some are thinking here, and the Jets will never be as 'good' as some are thinking here.

I think it's the aggressiveness of the NYJ that are worrying some, only time will tell if it pays them dividends or not. I think they were very competitive last yr, and see no reason that they wouldn't be the same. They are relying more on guys who are football talented but have high charcter issues, whereas we are relying more on better character guys that will work as a team, and less individually.

The draft will certainly play a big part of our future, specifically this upcoming year, hopefully we can hit on several key picks. I will never believe that the NYJ are 'better,' just that they continue to improve and are addressing their weaknesses in a different way. Only time will tell if it pays off.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Post of the month. Sanchez needs to prove he can be atleast decent (not throwing 3 picks to Bodden) before the Jets become superstars.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I think we'll still win the division, won't be easy though.

The Jets have made some great moves IMO... but I'm expecting a better year from Brady and hoping for Tate or a FA acquisition to emerge as a reliable threat opposite Moss. Then even if Welker isn't back Edelman is fine in the slot. But we do badly need to bring another reliable target in, cannot rely on Tate and his 1 game of experience.

Defense needs help too at DE/OLB but we do have 4 day 1 picks. Even without an immediate contributor added through FA I think this D matches up well with the Jets as is.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Right now which means nothing but since it's off season and I'm bored...

Pats 2010 vs 2009
+ Have young defense entering 2010 with an important year of seasoning
+ Have lots of early picks in a deep draft
0 Kept most of their FAs
- Have lost Welker for TBD games. This is MAJOR as we saw in the 1st 2009 Pats-Jets game
- Have lost Watson to FA, with a big fat FA 'replacement'

Jets 2010 vs 2009
+ The Sanchise has an important year of immaturity behind him
+ Have added a quality (though headcase) WR for maybe 12 games
0 Made neutral at best losses & adds in the defensive backfield and at RB

 

[PatsFaninME]

As much as I liked Watson, it's hard to think of his departure as a "-". The Patriots barely used him. I like the improvements Watson mde in his blocking and doubt theywill find his speed in his replacement. But I think they can find a better blocker and short area receiver, which I believe is a better fit for Patriots.

 

[Spiral]

Rex better practice polishing up turds before he stocks up on silver polish. And with that collection of them in their locker room, he's going to have plenty to work with.

 

[AJY the Jets troll]

Good thread.

The thing that's concerning is the two teams seem to be moving in opposite directions. The trajectory of the Jets is undoubtedly up, and despite all the other moves it comes down Sanchez. He played terrible for many games last season - but he was a rookie QB. It really looked like it all started to come together for Sanchez late last season and in the playoffs. This is very concerning.

Now for the Pats, the argument can be made that our trajectory is going down, it actually undoubtedly is going down. But it's certainly not the end of the world, this has to happen to any dynasty but it doesn't mean that this team can't win a Superbowl. But the modern day Pats feel a little dusty, some fading elegance almost. But as long as this team has Brady and BB, I feel we will always be competitive.

We're trying to restock on the fly and the recent drafts have been poor, 2009 withstanding. This is a big draft and I actually expect BB to move up for some marquee guys to get some star power back in the building. I see Dez Bryant as a Patriot.

 

[CanadianPat'sFan]

Post of the month. Sanchez needs to prove he can be atleast decent (not throwing 3 picks to Bodden) before the Jets become superstars.

I would like to echo both statements good post.

I just read the article about the Patriot Reign being over and the JETS this and the JETS that but they still do not have a championship QB IMO. If you shut down the run and put the game in the kids hands we have all seen the interceptions. I find it funny that NY is loading their team with tons of veteran talent while their QB is just growing and still very young in his development.

I know people are going to point to the 2001 Ravens not having a QB and they may be right but until a winning culture is ingrained into all of them they still have to top the Patriots in the AFC east.

Sorry had to get this off my chest as all I have heard today is about how the JETS are going to win the SB

 

[dhamz]

31-14 has as much relevance to the coming season as 16-9 (which was the score in week 2) - none.

I'm not among those who feel the Jets have built a powerhouse team this offseason but on paper they are more talented than the team that lost that 31-14 game. Whether that equates to a division title is to be determined.

The Pats presently aren't as talented as the team that won that 31-14 game. The reason for that can be expressed in 2 numbers: 15-192.

With no games for 5 months and the draft not even complete it is way too early to name a team to beat.

 

[Feep50]

Good post............. In my perfect world BB rebuilds and reshapes another defense that is feared again. I mean the kind of fear that makes apposing teams knees quake and soils their uniforms at the beating that is about to be visited upon them! That is my dream! I never got that excited about offense.

 

[Tunescribe]

The Green Beans are stockpiling talent (and head cases). The Patriots, as usual, are quietly building a TEAM.

New Jersey's strategy remains quite apparent with its blowhard coach, "name" signings and begging to be featured on HBO's "Hard Knocks." They're desperate to sell PSLs and avoid going a full HALF CENTURY since their last championship (technically an inter-league post-season exhibition game in 1969).

 

[Deus Irae]

The Green Beans are stockpiling talent (and head cases). The Patriots, as usual, are quietly building a TEAM.

New Jersey's strategy remains quite apparent with its blowhard coach, "name" signings and begging to be featured on HBO's "Hard Knocks." They're desperate to sell PSLs and avoid going a full HALF CENTURY since they're last championship (technically an inter-league post-season exhibition game in 1969).

That blowhard coach got his collection of talent (and head cases) to the AFCCG last season. Meanwhile, the Patriots quietly built a TEAM that got its ass handed to it in the Wild Card round.

 

[woolster22]

As much as I liked Watson, it's hard to think of his departure as a "-". The Patriots barely used him. I like the improvements Watson mde in his blocking and doubt theywill find his speed in his replacement. But I think they can find a better blocker and short area receiver, which I believe is a better fit for Patriots.

Crumpler to a "T" if you ask me. He's got great hands, and has always been as much of a guard as a reciever. given he has lost a step or three, but when hes being asked to maul the LOS regularly, it will give him a bit of an edge off the line. Throw in the Pats recieving corps vs. the titans and I like his chances. even with a sidelined Wes. Key in the early season will be establishing the run (hoping we go after a back with a trade of picks to hit the 3rd/4th round+Maroney, Faulk learned how not to fumble didnt he?) and finding a legit threat outside of randy. Edelman is a hope, Tate is a dream, and rookies are a crap shoot. I'll take a 300 pound Crumpler over Watson as far as blocking goes any day. Hands, Crumpler gets the edge, seperation, Watson will get the edge based on quickness. But with the way BB&Co seems to disregard TEs in the passing game (maybe because Ben was good for a drop or two a game?), I'll go with Crumpler for the edge running the ball. I expect BB took a good dose of meds against the Ravens in gillette, and I would expect he would rather have the smash mouth, run down your throat, and playfake over the top team rather than the dump underneath to WW/Faulk team. But thats jus my half ****ed take on things.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

As much as I liked Watson, it's hard to think of his departure as a "-". The Patriots barely used him. I like the improvements Watson mde in his blocking and doubt theywill find his speed in his replacement. But I think they can find a better blocker and short area receiver, which I believe is a better fit for Patriots.

The 2009 season starts with a L w/o Watson. And yes, he went MIA subsequently.

The issue is...it's not apparent he's been adequately replaced.

 

[CanadianPat'sFan]

That blowhard coach got his collection of talent (and head cases) to the AFCCG last season. Meanwhile, the Patriots quietly built a TEAM that got its ass handed to it in the Wild Card round.

No he has just really started collecting them this off season (LT, Comartie and now Holmes). Substance abuse could cost you a couple of years off your NFL career but I would love to see Holmes in the CFL for a year or two. LT will not get as many carries as he wants and will sulk on the sidelines plus maybe sexy Rexy can teach Comartie how to tackle??

I think BB is happy with his plan and who is ready to step up on the current roster and we still have 5 months till opening kickoff. Who would have thought last year at this time that Hobbs would be moved on draft day or Jason Peters would be in an Eagle uni but the best was Cutler moving to the Bears. There is still plenty of offseason to go so you like us just have to wait and see not just give up before the draft has even gone down. You just never know who will hit the market.

 

[Tunescribe]

That blowhard coach got his collection of talent (and head cases) to the AFCCG last season. Meanwhile, the Patriots quietly built a TEAM that got its ass handed to it in the Wild Card round.

It should be clear I was referring to the present and future, not the past. Not sure how you missed that (unless you chose to).

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

31-14 has as much relevance to the coming season as 16-9 (which was the score in week 2) - none.

I'm not among those who feel the Jets have built a powerhouse team this offseason but on paper they are more talented than the team that lost that 31-14 game. Whether that equates to a division title is to be determined.

The Pats presently aren't as talented as the team that won that 31-14 game. The reason for that can be expressed in 2 numbers: 15-192.

With no games for 5 months and the draft not even complete it is way too early to name a team to beat.

Exactly, it's way too early to announce that the Jets are kings of the division. And I wasn't trying to imply that we'll beat the Jets this season just because we did easily late last season. My point was to show everyone reality: the Jets weren't a great team all last season, just as we weren't a terrible team all last season. The Jets didn't own us for two games and then get better. We didn't get crushed and then get worse.

There's a balance that needs to be found between the Jets greatness and the Patriots insignificance. That balance has been lost since the Ravens game and the Jets run through the playoffs.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Right now which means nothing but since it's off season and I'm bored...

Pats 2010 vs 2009
+ Have young defense entering 2010 with an important year of seasoning
+ Have lots of early picks in a deep draft
0 Kept most of their FAs
- Have lost Welker for TBD games. This is MAJOR as we saw in the 1st 2009 Pats-Jets game
- Have lost Watson to FA, with a big fat FA 'replacement'

Jets 2010 vs 2009
+ The Sanchise has an important year of immaturity behind him
+ Have added a quality (though headcase) WR for maybe 12 games
0 Made neutral at best losses & adds in the defensive backfield and at RB

Cromartie is an upgrade over Sheppard. I don't know if he's a huge one, but he is better, mostly because Sheppard flat-out kinda sucks.

 

[Deus Irae]

It should be clear I was referring to the present and future, not the past. Not sure how you missed that (unless you chose to).

It should be clear that you were insulting a coach who took his team further than Belichick did, and banging on the players while doing so, and in doing so, actually made the Patriots look more pathetic than the Jets. Also, the word "remains" makes it pretty clear that you were also referring to the past. I'm not sure how you missed that (Unless you chose to).