30 for 30: Randy Moss on espn Tuesday night

[PatsFanSince74]

Just watched it.

Powerful piece. Presented a very sympathetic picture of Moss without sugarcoating some of the stuff he did; just says what happened and lets us come to our own conclusions. Makes me stop and think about how much some of these players in the NFL and NBA have to overcome and how many of the folks they grew up with ended up like the guy at the end. It's too easy, for me at least, to sit in judgment on them when they **** up.

Also, interesting how they showed several times the draft day article from, I think, the Herald, with the Headline "Patriots Say No Moss" and followed it a few moments later with shots from his days with the Pats. But that draft is a story with a sad ending, as the Pats took Robert Edwards a few slots before the Vikings took Moss...rushed for 1,000 yards in his rookie season and then blew out his knee on the beach or something at the Pro Bowl.

Side effect: reminded me how much I liked and respected Chad Pennington.

 

[New England Pride]

07 Rand or '10 Rand?

Not sure Rand would have made a difference in either one. Pats barely had the ball vs NYG and NYJ.

Unless he catches the ball that WW dropped...

2010 Randy. Would have been a hell of a number 4 had his mind been right.

 

[RobertWeathers]

2010 Randy. Would have been a hell of a number 4 had his mind been right.

...and that is why Randy is Randy.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Well, this basically made me lose all respect for Moss. Wish I hadn't watched it.

 

[festy1986]

It took randy two weeks to regret his decision to shoot his way out of new England.

No one lives with regret more than him.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

It took randy two weeks to regret his decision to shoot his way out of new England.

No one lives with regret more than him.

Based off this documentary he doesn't regret anything. He just blames everyone else.

 

[festy1986]

Based off this documentary he doesn't regret anything. He just blames everyone else.

I forgive him.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Well, this basically made me lose all respect for Moss. Wish I hadn't watched it.

Really? I can bet you he may regret some things...but some people live life with no regrets no matter what...and he just might be one of those guys.

Still love him as a player and loved his time here and wish he was here longer.

 

[festy1986]

Really? I can bet you he may regret some things...but some people live life with no regrets no matter what...and he just might be one of those guys.

Still love him as a player and loved his time here and wish he was here longer.

Like all great players he had an ego. If he could of adapted that ego he could literally still be here and I bet brady could find a way to get him more than 3tds, unlike his last season with the niners.

But I'll always appreciate his time here. Never once did I not like moss.

 

[Joker]

"I really regret playing NFL football, making tens of millions of dollars and becoming a household word.." said NO ONE EVER.

 

[SVN]

One of my favorite patriots of all time. We havent seen a WR like him in the BB Brady tenure . He may have shot his way out of town but never said anything -ve about the team or BB even after he was traded and I respect him for that.

 

[Gronkowski123]

straight cash homie.

dvr'd this. will watch later.

 

[PatCat]

Randy Moss is my favorite player and i'm damn happy he played for my favorite team. I only caught 5 minutes of the documentary so i'll be looking for the rerun

 

[The Brandon Five]

One of my favorite Randy Moss moments. I was at the game. LOL.

Me too...was it the Dolphins?

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Really? I can bet you he may regret some things...but some people live life with no regrets no matter what...and he just might be one of those guys.

Still love him as a player and loved his time here and wish he was here longer.

I'm just going off what he said.

When he beat a kid half to death it was the towns fault, plus he only "stomped on his neck twice."

When he got caught for marijuana while serving his sentence it's cuz the police are against him.

When the town that made him a king marches down the street to support him he craps on them in an interview and only takes it back not because he regretted it, but because his family still lived there.

Then he goes on some crusade to show up WVU even though he blew them off, not the other way around.

After all that and an additional few criminal charges the world owes him an apology for not drafting him top 10 because "he went through some stuff?"

I used to love Moss but this documentary made clear that Moss was a spoiled athlete who was coddled his whole life and faced very little adversity. And whenever he did make himself a millionaire, instead of being magnanimous he just s**** on everyone and blames them for all his problems- to this day.

He can't regret anything, because according to Moss he's never done anything wrong.

 

[letekro]

Based off this documentary he doesn't regret anything. He just blames everyone else.

That may be a little strong but i think the documentary suffered from being told only from the perspective of Randy and his supporters. It was very much a fluff piece in comparison with many other thoughtful episodes in the series.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

That may be a little strong but i think the documentary suffered from being told only from the perspective of Randy and his supporters. It was very much a fluff piece in comparison with many other thoughtful episodes in the series.

I enjoyed most of the series, that's why I tuned in.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He may have shot his way out of town but never said anything -ve about the team or BB even after he was traded and I respect him for that.

I am record as saying from 2007 to 2009, Moss was a fantastic Patriot. He may have had his moments when Brady went down in 2008 and Cassell came in but overall he was fine.

In 2010 he started chirping publicly about his contract, complaining about his touches and causing issues with the coaching staff and their authority with the players. That was not good.

In the end, I do think he is one of those people who very much about himself, is very insecure and needs to be needed- maybe even protected. That was not going to happen here.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5565114

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-had-halftime-outburst-at-patriots-assistant/

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/columns/story?id=5656758

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I'm just going off what he said.

When he beat a kid half to death it was the towns fault, plus he only "stomped on his neck twice."

When he got caught for marijuana while serving his sentence it's cuz the police are against him.

When the town that made him a king marches down the street to support him he craps on them in an interview and only takes it back not because he regretted it, but because his family still lived there.

Then he goes on some crusade to show up WVU even though he blew them off, not the other way around.

After all that and an additional few criminal charges the world owes him an apology for not drafting him top 10 because "he went through some stuff?"

I used to love Moss but this documentary made clear that Moss was a spoiled athlete who was coddled his whole life and faced very little adversity. And whenever he did make himself a millionaire, instead of being magnanimous he just s**** on everyone and blames them for all his problems- to this day.

He can't regret anything, because according to Moss he's never done anything wrong.

No one who knows me has ever accused me of being a "bleeding heart," but I think your assessment is unnecessarily harsh.

Yes, the beating that the kid received was criminal and its perpetrators should have been and indeed were punished, but the documentary made a real effort at putting it into a context that included racist taunting and what we would now call "bullying" by a majority of a relatively small minority contingent. The documentary doesn't at any point suggest that it was "the town's fault," but it clearly suggests that the event was not without ongoing, repeated and cruel provocation.

The documentary does not say that he was apprehended for marijuana use because the police were against him, but does present the fact that no one else had ever had their probation/parole revoked in that town for possession of a small amount of marijuana for personal use, which is now legal in many states and large cities. But that is what happened to Moss.

The documentary also does not suggest that Moss feels anyone owes him an apology for his not being drafted higher, but rather that he fully understands why he wasn't drafted higher and that he used this as motivation.

As for the rest of your comments, I guess I'll just leave it that I really disagree that he "faced very little adversity."

He was a young guy without a lot of role models and he ****ed up, big time, costing himself chances to go to Notre Dame and Florida and several million dollars based on how far he dropped in the Draft. He remained a difficult guy throughout his career; a prima donna Wide Receiver. He left the Pats in a huff but, as others have pointed out, he never trashed them as he did so.

And yes, a lot of this was spite by people in West Virginia, whose name nobody knows today. Moss mishandled his relationship with that community big time, but he wasn't getting a lot of help in dealing with it.

Not every black athlete who succeeds is Michael Jordan or Derek Jeter or DJ or Parish or Big Papi or even an obnoxious LeBron or Carmelo, who manage to keep their noses clean. A lot of these guys have a lot harder time getting past where they came from.

As a dad, I look at Randy Moss and wish I had had a chance to be his parent or teacher when he was 10 or 11, the age my kids are today. God only knows whether I could have made a difference in his life, but maybe someone could have done so.

I hope you're not so harsh on those near and dear to you.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

That may be a little strong but i think the documentary suffered from being told only from the perspective of Randy and his supporters. It was very much a fluff piece in comparison with many other thoughtful episodes in the series.

I don't think they tried to sugar coat a lot (there's no hiding that he messed up in too many areas to mention and the footage of the kid being put into the ambulance is pretty vivid), but it does come across as a friendly piece, perhaps because that was a condition of his sitting for hours of interviews; as far as I know, this is the only time he's done something like that. That said, though, in the context of all the hatchet jobs that have been done on Randy Moss over the years, I'm happy with this piece.