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PostGame Thread 2024 Postgame Thread Week 16 - Pats fall to Bills 24-21

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Maye didn't step into the throw at all with pressure coming in, so it really could've been just an underthrow and bad luck with the stumble.
It was a timing play, a touch pass.
 


Look at the white jerseys jogging to the live ball lmao

People can call it how they see it, but I feel very confident that no-one would call a lateral inside their own 5. Maye has thrown backward passes on at least 3 screens that I can remember. I really think that Maye gets too quick on the trigger on screens.
 
Gonna have to slightly disagree with you, as Demario Douglas has more receptions than the top WR in recs of 9 other teams entering this week. He's 4th in separation out of all WRs. Maye also gets to throw to Henry, who is a solid pass catcher.

The separation the last 2 weeks for Boutte has been excellent, and since I believe separation is also a QB stat, I think it means it they're starting to gel.

As I said in another post, though, that it's really not a big deal at this point, since he's a rookie, and JAllen had a 9 streak last year.
Your post made me realize that this set of pass catchers is closer to dynasty Pats than it appears on the surface. They have two TE's that can catch the ball, a WR corps consisting of multiple targets without a clear WR1 and RBs with receiving skills. The big difference is the clutch part of the WR. This set of players always gets 7 yards when they need 8. It used to be that the WR would find a way to gain 7 yards, 13 inches to get that first down. Not having a real third down threat at RB is also a gap. That said, who didn't love Gibson smashing that rusher in pass protection?
 
Your post made me realize that this set of pass catchers is closer to dynasty Pats than it appears on the surface. They have two TE's that can catch the ball, a WR corps consisting of multiple targets without a clear WR1 and RBs with receiving skills. The big difference is the clutch part of the WR. This set of players always gets 7 yards when they need 8. It used to be that the WR would find a way to gain 7 yards, 13 inches to get that first down. Not having a real third down threat at RB is also a gap. That said, who didn't love Gibson smashing that rusher in pass protection?
Aside from 2001, in the years they won Super Bowls there was either a clear #1 (Deion Branch, Edelman) or/and an all time elite TE (Gronk). We don't have that. Also frankly there were years where we had Amendola, Hogan, Bennett Troy Brown, Lafell, or Mitchell as reliable 2's and 3's as catchers.

We don't have a #1WR and our lineup is largely unreliable.
 
People can call it how they see it, but I feel very confident that no-one would call a lateral inside their own 5. Maye has thrown backward passes on at least 3 screens that I can remember. I really think that Maye gets too quick on the trigger on screens.
Timing is critical on setting up many screen passes, I think you are on to something here. To my eyes Maye looks good on the quick throw screens, he doesn't have the timing down on the longer developing plays. Hopefully AVP is working with him on the timing to take enough time to draw the rush and allow the target to slide into position before making the pass. As good as he has been so far, Maye should be down right scary once he gets some of these subtleties figured out.
 
Media already falling for this crap and saying Mayo is safe because of the “close” loss.

They can’t make up their minds.
 
It's cute. I got another regular douch in a fit because they couldn't bulldoze their way through another insult.

Poor baby.

Keep doubling down on the loser mentality, sport. It fits you well.
 
People can call it how they see it, but I feel very confident that no-one would call a lateral inside their own 5. Maye has thrown backward passes on at least 3 screens that I can remember. I really think that Maye gets too quick on the trigger on screens.
If you look at the film, you will see:

The other receivers on that side are blocking.
Maye looks left to “look off” the defense.
Maye turns right and immediately throws.
We know this is the designed play because Mayes look left is quick and clearly a deke and the play side receivers are blocking.

Now look at Stevenson. He is lined up right at the 4.
Maye drops back like left, turns right and throws while moving backward and his arm is between the 3 and the 4 when he releases.

It’s a backward pass because Stevenson ran backwards and never got back to the 4, a lazy pattern.
There is no possible reason for the play to be designed as a lateral. Specifically because of what happened rule #1 of that route is be ahead of the QB.

Of course Stevenson also dropped the pass, looking like a lineman not a receiver.
This was 100% on Stevenson.
Maye was given a play call a Dems, a drop and a throw, it’s in Stevenson to get to the right spot.
 
So aggravating. Have they forgotten all these losses and the defensive coach whose team can't play defense
The media can’t make a decision as they’ve done all season long. They wait until what the score is to make a prediction. All it’s showing is that they have no idea what’s going to happen with Mayo. They need to pick a narrative and stick with it.
 
Yeah I saw the trip but looked like Henry was headed deep as the DB was running to where Maye threw it, looked like if Henry ran an out it was a TD but not clear if Maye made the right read it or what, curious if Maye or Henry talked about it after game
I guess he answered it, kind of what I thought. Again, maybe if Maye played all training camp and pre-season as the starter and built a rapport they would have less of these plays where the QB and receiver are not on the same page. My initial reaction was that if he(I believe was Hooper not Henry) ran an out it was a TD. He would have been in front of the defender who had to dive for the interception, otherwise the defender was protecting the back of the end zone. Can't say 100% but seems like the better read was the out but hard to tell for sure.

Drake:
"We had a concept, and it kind of felt like it was going to be the same type of throw against the Colts to Hoop [Austin Hooper]. I let it go early thinking he'd break it off and just wasn't on the same page. I’ve got to give him a chance.I think he was thinking back pylon, so I’ve got to give him a better chance to maybe hold the safety a little bit. So, just frustrating we were down there. I got a chance to go up and make it a 21-17 ball game, and just a frustrating kind of heartbreaker."
 
Timing is critical on setting up many screen passes, I think you are on to something here. To my eyes Maye looks good on the quick throw screens, he doesn't have the timing down on the longer developing plays. Hopefully AVP is working with him on the timing to take enough time to draw the rush and allow the target to slide into position before making the pass. As good as he has been so far, Maye should be down right scary once he gets some of these subtleties figured out.
Maye is going to be a stud for years to come once he gets an average line. I think that he could make this WR group work with a better OL. If he gets an average OL with an above average WR or 2, he will be absolutely MVP worthy.
 
I guess he answered it, kind of what I thought. Again, maybe if Maye played all training camp and pre-season as the starter and built a rapport they would have less of these plays where the QB and receiver are not on the same page. My initial reaction was that if he(I believe was Hooper not Henry) ran an out it was a TD. He would have been in front of the defender who had to dive for the interception, otherwise the defender was protecting the back of the end zone. Can't say 100% but seems like the better read was the out but hard to tell for sure.

Drake:
"We had a concept, and it kind of felt like it was going to be the same type of throw against the Colts to Hoop [Austin Hooper]. I let it go early thinking he'd break it off and just wasn't on the same page. I’ve got to give him a chance.I think he was thinking back pylon, so I’ve got to give him a better chance to maybe hold the safety a little bit. So, just frustrating we were down there. I got a chance to go up and make it a 21-17 ball game, and just a frustrating kind of heartbreaker."
I think if you look at the route Hooper runs there was traffic and tangle in front of him so he didn’t think he could break it off. I think the other receivers route prevented hooper from going where Maye wanted him to.
Of course with better protection he could have waited that split second longer
 
Aside from 2001, in the years they won Super Bowls there was either a clear #1 (Deion Branch, Edelman) or/and an all time elite TE (Gronk). We don't have that. Also frankly there were years where we had Amendola, Hogan, Bennett Troy Brown, Lafell, or Mitchell as reliable 2's and 3's as catchers.

We don't have a #1WR and our lineup is largely unreliable.
No doubt this group of players far exceeds the talent on the current team. I still stand by the point that the team is not as far off historical norms from the structure perspective as it appears. Considering the fact that all of the players listed did not play on the same teams, the current squad needs one or two difference makers like Gronk, Hernandez, Edelman, Welker, Brown, etc. to turn the offense into a position of strength. Gronk is the outlier, the rest of these players were not considered league best when they played. They were reliable and when combined with a great QB and effective gameplan they were plenty good enough to win. Henry, Hooper, Boutte and Douglas are good for the supporting role, they need at least one lead dog and an old school third down back to be effective.
 
The media can’t make a decision as they’ve done all season long. They wait until what the score is to make a prediction. All it’s showing is that they have no idea what’s going to happen with Mayo. They need to pick a narrative and stick with it.

Part of this might be because the Krafts haven't said/done anything official regarding Mayo's status for 2025. Short of that it's all trying to read between the lines and guesswork.

What's starting to really bug me is how matter-of-factly the team and Mayo appear to be taking all these losses. Nobody seems genuinely pissed off. Seeing someone get angry and throw a fit would be refreshing.
 
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This team is a disappointment. I do hope coaching is better next year and Maye stops making huge bone head plays.
 
If they would have played like this against the cards they would have won.

I'm in disbelief at when the team decides to show up.

Watching the announcers cater to fan consensus of using maye to run on 4 and 1 was painful. It's common sense stuff... like wind direction... etc...

Maye is proving to be the best pick in the draft. By the time we build an offensive power house around him and more than likely two different coaching staffs...

He will deserve a very big check... his shoulders will be turned to dust, carrying the weight of these seasons of ownership incompetence.
 
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