PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL PostGame Thread: Week 13 - Patriots lose to Colts 25-24

[Lavictoire]

Wonder if steve bellichick could be brought back.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

No

 

[Real fan 02]

We were use to guys who get separation: and BB Drafted a guy who had guys draped all over him on every catch. Harry was the worse fit for this Team: I was sold on A.J. Brown after watching him: he was a Beast from the Slot at Ole Miss. People here loved Deebo Samuel and Terry McLaurin that year too. The Pats Brass could have nailed the Draft from this Forum.

AJ and Deebo both expressed how they wanted to come to NE when being drafted. How we somehow didn't even end up with one or thier other is just pure stupidity. The WR draft bust rate in NE is likely the highest in the NFL the last few decades. Branch, jules, givens, Mitchell, pop... that's 4 WRs in 23 seasons. Pathetic!

 

[Thelonious]

You know what? They do have a lot in common. Tomlin's demeanor on the sideline, especially earlier in career, does remind one a lot of Mayo. But even then he showed more emotion and engagement than Mayo. And I don't recall his media interactions being so ridiculous.

Tomlin once stepped onto the field to trip an opposing player running past. Not the best move, but do you see Mayo ever doing anything that assertive? By the time the guys in the booth told him what to do, the player would be long gone. Tomlin is quite masterful at dealing with the press; Mayo in embarrassingly inept, and when he does manage on occasion to get out a point, he takes it back the next day. For all his stolid manner, when Tomlin sees a problem with the team, he can at times aggressively act to address the issue: look at his decisiveness in dealing with his QB issues over the past couple of years. Do you really at any point see Mayo being that decisive? Tomlin is clearly and unabashedly in charge. Mayo diddles around playing mister-may-I at the drop of a hat. Tomlin does offer up the occasional baffler when it comes to in-game decisions, but he is certainly better than Mayo in that aspect of HC responsibilities as well.

Anybody who has done any kind of demanding hands-on work will know that there are two kinds of guys on any job site: guys who tackle a job and guys who don't. The distinction in this regard between these two coaches is obvious.

The only similarities I see are superficial. Both are black. So what? That ought not be a factor in evaluating either of them, whatever the racists might say.

 

[Real fan 02]

That's more an indication of how weak the AFC is this year. Well, the NFC isn't a ton better. Expanded playoffs was a terrible idea.

Yeah that's true. Although the AFC has alot of team similar in records in the playoff hunt.

 

[Real fan 02]

Mayo doesn't seem like X's And O's guy like BB: he's been exposed.

We also have to remember brother BB had a worse time his first go around in Cleveland.. they almost rioted in the streets wanting him gone! Mayo wanted to be a coach so this is what he asked for!

 

[Stu Pidassle]

We also have to remember brother BB had a worse time his first go around in Cleveland.. they almost rioted in the streets wanting him gone! Mayo wanted to be a coach so this is what he asked for!

While it is true that both coaches went through a year of adjustments, BB's first year in Cleveland looked nothing like Mayo's Patriots. By his own admission BB was too hard on his players. He also ran a tight ship with a very good coaching staff. Benching Kosar was the thing that drew the ire of the fans. In contrast Mayo is basically flying by the seat of his pants without much planning. If he is back next year, he needs to spend a good part of the summer defining his strategic plan and operating procedures for dealing with in game situations.

 

[Real fan 02]

While it is true that both coaches went through a year of adjustments, BB's first year in Cleveland looked nothing like Mayo's Patriots. By his own admission BB was too hard on his players. He also ran a tight ship with a very good coaching staff. Benching Kosar was the thing that drew the ire of the fans. In contrast Mayo is basically flying by the seat of his pants without much planning. If he is back next year, he needs to spend a good part of the summer defining his strategic plan and operating procedures for dealing with in game situations.

You said it. Bill was accomplished as a DC.. mayo spurning his chances to become a DC and had the contract language written in to make him HC. He should have stayed the course and went elsewhere to become a DC it would have helped make him a better HC. Bill tried to be like parclells in Cleveland that's where he went wrong.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Tomlin once stepped onto the field to trip an opposing player running past. Not the best move, but do you see Mayo ever doing anything that assertive? By the time the guys in the booth told him what to do, the player would be long gone. Tomlin is quite masterful at dealing with the press; Mayo in embarrassingly inept, and when he does manage on occasion to get out a point, he takes it back the next day. For all his stolid manner, when Tomlin sees a problem with the team, he can at times aggressively act to address the issue: look at his decisiveness in dealing with his QB issues over the past couple of years. Do you really at any point see Mayo being that decisive? Tomlin is clearly and unabashedly in charge. Mayo diddles around playing mister-may-I at the drop of a hat. Tomlin does offer up the occasional baffler when it comes to in-game decisions, but he is certainly better than Mayo in that aspect of HC responsibilities as well.

Anybody who has done any kind of demanding hands-on work will know that there are two kinds of guys on any job site: guys who tackle a job and guys who don't. The distinction in this regard between these two coaches is obvious.

The only similarities I see are superficial. Both are black. So what? That ought not be a factor in evaluating either of them, whatever the racists might say.

Still, I do recall young Mike Tomlin being overmatched and baffled on the sidelines at times. Note that I did imply he grew out of that. Like Mayo, he was young when he became HC. Unlike Mayo, he was a DC before becoming HC -- which I had forgotten or simply did not know (it was only for a year). I do agree with most of your points.

This was all in reference to finding a comp for Mayo, which is difficult given how remarkably underqualified he is and how badly his first season has gone. "A lot in common" was an overstatement. Not sure why you are bringing up race: neither of us mentioned it.

 

[archstanton543]

Still, I do recall young Mike Tomlin being overmatched and baffled on the sidelines at times.

At least Mayo isn't tripping players on the field.

 

[PatsFan2]

Week 13 QB chart. Bozo coaching staff finding ways to lose with above average QB play (already from the 22yo).

Look at that crap QB Russell Wilson according some experts here at the Top. I know you all are in hiding.

 

[Real fan 02]

Still, I do recall young Mike Tomlin being overmatched and baffled on the sidelines at times. Note that I did imply he grew out of that. Like Mayo, he was young when he became HC. Unlike Mayo, he was a DC before becoming HC -- which I had forgotten or simply did not know (it was only for a year). I do agree with most of your points.

This was all in reference to finding a comp for Mayo, which is difficult given how remarkably underqualified he is and how badly his first season has gone. Perhaps "a lot in common" was an overstatement. Not sure why you are bringing up race: neither of us mentioned it.

Absolutely agreed. Is why I've posted that I believe Mayo's infatuation with so badly wanting to be a HC may have had him underestimating the value of having not taking a DC job elsewhere. I firmly believe he would have still been position to be HC as bill wasn't going to coach past say 75 years old.

 

[PatsFan2]

Tomlin once stepped onto the field to trip an opposing player running past. Not the best move, but do you see Mayo ever doing anything that assertive? By the time the guys in the booth told him what to do, the player would be long gone. Tomlin is quite masterful at dealing with the press; Mayo in embarrassingly inept, and when he does manage on occasion to get out a point, he takes it back the next day. For all his stolid manner, when Tomlin sees a problem with the team, he can at times aggressively act to address the issue: look at his decisiveness in dealing with his QB issues over the past couple of years. Do you really at any point see Mayo being that decisive? Tomlin is clearly and unabashedly in charge. Mayo diddles around playing mister-may-I at the drop of a hat. Tomlin does offer up the occasional baffler when it comes to in-game decisions, but he is certainly better than Mayo in that aspect of HC responsibilities as well.

Anybody who has done any kind of demanding hands-on work will know that there are two kinds of guys on any job site: guys who tackle a job and guys who don't. The distinction in this regard between these two coaches is obvious.

The only similarities I see are superficial. Both are black. So what? That ought not be a factor in evaluating either of them, whatever the racists might say.

You are comparing Mayo to a guy who have Two SB Rings one as an Assist Coach and the other a HC?? Unreal.

 

[PatsFan2]

At least Mayo isn't tripping players on the field.

I wish Mayo tripped a couple of our Offensive Tackles on IR.

 

[Real fan 02]

You are comparing Mayo to a guy who have Two SB Rings one as an Assist Coach and the other a HC?? Unreal.

Mayo should have taken the DC job first my brother.. it would have helped him big time.

 

[Real fan 02]

I wish Mayo tripped a couple of our Offensive Tackles on IR.

They will trip over each other don't worry.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Absolutely agreed. Is why I've posted that I believe Mayo's infatuation with so badly wanting to be a HC may have had him underestimating the value of having not taking a DC job elsewhere. I firmly believe he would have still been position to be HC as bill wasn't going to coach past say 75 years old.

Interesting point. But Bill didn't survive last season, so it was either Mayo takes over in 2024, or he risks someone else excelling in the job. I'm not sure how easy it would be to convince an incoming HC to take on Mayo as a DC. In fact, given how poorly he has performed as HC, I'm not sure he would survive an evaluation by a legitimate HC. And Kraft forcing Mayo on a new HC would not start things off well. So it was 2024 or never for Mayo, and after his inevitable ****-canning, he will never get another opportunity.

Another interesting thing is how Mayo doesn't seem to comprehend how overmatched he is, and this is a hallmark of low IQ people: they do not understand their own limitations. It's beyond them. Stupid people cannot think at the meta-level. If he could, he would resign for the good of the franchise. I would, if I was that overmatched. I know I would, because I've already done it myself when I realized I didn't have the attributes necessary for success in a new role at work. That kind of awareness starts at IQs above 100, and the smarter you are, the better you realize and accept what you can't do and what you don't know. Mayo is a stupid man, and stupid men should not be HCs at the NFL level.

 

[Real fan 02]

Interesting point. But Bill didn't survive last season, so it was either Mayo takes over in 2024, or he risks someone else excelling in the job. I'm not sure how easy it would be to convince an incoming HC to take on Mayo as a DC. In fact, given how poorly he has performed as HC, I'm not sure he would survive an evaluation by a legitimate HC. And Kraft forcing Mayo on a new HC would not start things off well. So it was 2024 or never for Mayo, and after his inevitable ****-canning, he will never get another opportunity.

Another interesting thing is how Mayo doesn't seem to comprehend how overmatched he is, and this is a hallmark of low IQ people: they do not understand their own limitations. It's beyond them. Stupid people cannot think at the meta-level. If he could, he would resign for the good of the franchise. I would, if I was that overmatched. I know I would, because I've already done it myself when I realized I didn't have the attributes necessary for success in a new role at work. That kind of awareness starts at IQs above 100, and the smarter you are, the better you realize and accept what you can't do and what you don't know. Mayo is a stupid man, and stupid men should not be HCs at the NFL level.

Very interesting.. the process accelerated for Bill. He realistically wasn't supposed to step away until after the 2025 season with having left the roster competitive for Mayo to step in. Obviously none of that happened. So here we are. I feel personally that being DC or OC is the level right underneath HC. Mayo should have taken that to bolster his football IQ and learning things from another organization.

 

[captain stone]

You have the expectations of a kid the day before Christmas. "Imma get the latest I-phone, and a PS5 Pro, and a new McLaren, and a...."

Perpetual disappointment would be a great new moniker and help the rest of us have appropriate expectations before reading your posts. No team gets "three to four" very good players in the overwhelming majority of drafts so why set that as your only acceptable outcome?

I guess maybe it could be that "very good" is defined more broadly in your dictionary, but based on your other post history if the player isn't an all-pro from snap number one in the NFL, they suck.

Excuse-making.

 

[Real fan 02]

absolute nonsense

This is going to be a massive off season for the defense in particular. We will have trade opportunities as well myles Garrett for example.