PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL PostGame Thread: Week 13 - Patriots lose to Colts 25-24

[mike_usagisan]

And to make matters even worse the Colts are in the playoffs hunt..

That's more an indication of how weak the AFC is this year. Well, the NFC isn't a ton better. Expanded playoffs was a terrible idea.

 

[PatsFan2]

He also provided this nugget on Harry:

“It also, as some saw it, led to misses like N’Keal Harry in 2019. Harry killed his 30 visit that spring and had a college coach, Todd Graham, who was close to Belichick. In that end, without more input from scouts who preferred Deebo Samuel and A.J. Brown, the coach wound up leaning on his own experience with Harry, rather than the red flags his scouts planted, and lost a golden opportunity to fill a hole on his roster.”

YIKES

We were use to guys who get separation: and BB Drafted a guy who had guys draped all over him on every catch. Harry was the worse fit for this Team: I was sold on A.J. Brown after watching him: he was a Beast from the Slot at Ole Miss. People here loved Deebo Samuel and Terry McLaurin that year too. The Pats Brass could have nailed that Draft from this Forum.

 

[PatsFan2]

He also provided this nugget on Harry:

“It also, as some saw it, led to misses like N’Keal Harry in 2019. Harry killed his 30 visit that spring and had a college coach, Todd Graham, who was close to Belichick. In that end, without more input from scouts who preferred Deebo Samuel and A.J. Brown, the coach wound up leaning on his own experience with Harry, rather than the red flags his scouts planted, and lost a golden opportunity to fill a hole on his roster.”

YIKES

The same Brass that watched tapes of Tyquan and Pickens and came away thinking Slender man would be the better pro. Another reason why you are not Coaching Today Bill.

 

[vicspats]

I'm as confused as WEEI is about his statement. He seems to be saying that they are playing losing football whether or not he screws up timeouts, tactical decisions and challenges. He just will not hold himself accountable. He's blaming everyone but himself AGAIN. If only those darn players would play well enough when they go between the lines so my screwups were irrelevant...


To have a chance at the end of the game in the NFL -- especially if you are the Patriots -- you need to use your timeouts well and make strong tactical decisions throughout (and good strategic decisions during the week up to the game). You can't afford stupid penalties. Victory hangs by a thread with this team. His coaching (hard to call it that, but I'll be generous) features none of that. So they lose to bad teams, though Drake Maye's massive talent makes them seem more competitive than they are.


He sounds like a middle schooler, not an NFL head coach.

He’s in over his head. Feel for the guy kinda. Opportunity of a lifetime. How couldn’t you take it? Bad position thou. Probly should nave been smart enough he was set up for failure. It is what it is now. Start the coaching carousel I guess

 

[vicspats]

He's already told us "there's nothing he can do for them".

Which is obviously coach speak for
“ there’s nothing I can do “…..

 

[vicspats]

I stopped reading after "at minimum, get Scar"
Sure, at minimum get one of the best OL coaches in the history of the NFL!?

Obviously, we might be more reasonable in our hopes.

I retired two years ago. Every day away from that chaos makes me wonder how I did it. Scar is loooooooong gone

 

[Thelonious]

Let me ask this, purely as a hypothetical, if AVP were more experienced and better at calling plays, and Covington were better at reacting to what's happening and adjusting the defense, would it matter that Mayo is useless?

Unless one assumes that a competent head coach contributes nothing to a team's success - which would be nonsense - of course it matters, except to those perhaps who are interested merely in checking some DEI box or in offering up hard evidence of their affection for a travel companion.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Unless one assumes that a competent head coach contributes nothing to a team's success - which would be nonsense - of course it matters, except to those perhaps who are interested merely in checking some DEI box or in offering up hard evidence of their affection for a travel companion.

Well, if DC and AVP were much better, we might only notice Mayo on the 4th down calls or hail Mary vs. field goal attempts. And he'd be told how to act by Rothstein on those plays.

I'm not saying we shouldn't get a better HC, because we should. I guess I'm just saying that if you hypothetically wanted to make the CEO head coach structure work, you'd need your coordinators to be performing much better.

 

[jdlboot14]

Truth is, we are really close to being on a 5-1 run right now.
We could have (& should have) won the 1-score games with Titans, Rams & Colts.
With just 1 or 2 plays (or coaching moments) we'd be looking at a whole different tone of this team.
Add SEA & 1st MIA games - and we'd have a winning record. Those were truly 1 play games.

So, you can see what Mayo is saying. It's not like they're getting blown out and uncompetitive.
But, the edge normally goes to coaching in tight games - and thats the deal

 

[SVN]

He is comparing his not taking a timeout to SB49 ??

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Let me ask this, purely as a hypothetical, if AVP were more experienced and better at calling plays, and Covington were better at reacting to what's happening and adjusting the defense, would it matter that Mayo is useless?

If you want to win the big games and in the playoffs, yes. The coach sets the tone. He lays out the strategic approach to a game in consultation with his coordinators. During the game, a great HC makes his coordinators better by giving observations and even making them change things up if he's seeing the situation better. Mayo is a big zero. He adds nothing. All he seems to do on the mic is ask questions. He is not a leader.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

If Richardson had been stopped on the last play or in the 2-point play, there would be celebration, and so many pointing out how improved the team was.

Not at all. I was prepping to **** all over Mayo and AVP for almost losing the game for us. After watching that coaching train wreck, why would you think we'd be so cheerful about the team? Drake and Gibson had great games and they were the difference makers.

 

[mike_usagisan]

If you want to win the big games and in the playoffs, yes. The coach sets the tone. He lays out the strategic approach to a game in consultation with his coordinators. During the game, a great HC makes his coordinators better by giving observations and even making them change things up if he's seeing the situation better. Mayo is a big zero. He adds nothing. All he seems to do on the mic is ask questions. He is not a leader.

Again, I don't disagree in the slightest. I'm just playing the hypothetical game to see how a CEO head coach structure could even work. If he was the "natural leader" type that Kraft talked about, he'd get everyone fired up, reiterate what the coordinators have planned and make sure everything stayed organized on game day.

Are there examples of this working in the NFL?

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Here's a fun hypothetical.
Presuming the Pats fire DC as DC...
Would you take Saleh as DC - with a Asst. HC title? (he wouldn't likely work under a vastly inexperienced Mayo)
But he clearly wasn't the problem in NY, and has helped GB a lot since being there.

I'd take Saleh as DC. Mayo needs to be fired.

 

[Thunderhead]

Week 13 QB chart. Bozo coaching staff finding ways to lose with above average QB play (already from the 22yo).

 

[PatsFan2]

If you want to win the big games and in the playoffs, yes. The coach sets the tone. He lays out the strategic approach to a game in consultation with his coordinators. During the game, a great HC makes his coordinators better by giving observations and even making them change things up if he's seeing the situation better. Mayo is a big zero. He adds nothing. All he seems to do on the mic is ask questions. He is not a leader.

Mayo doesn't seem like X's And O's guy like BB: he's been exposed.

 

[lancerman]

Truth is, we are really close to being on a 5-1 run right now.
We could have (& should have) won the 1-score games with Titans, Rams & Colts.
With just 1 or 2 plays (or coaching moments) we'd be looking at a whole different tone of this team.
Add SEA & 1st MIA games - and we'd have a winning record. Those were truly 1 play games.

So, you can see what Mayo is saying. It's not like they're getting blown out and uncompetitive.
But, the edge normally goes to coaching in tight games - and thats the deal

Most of NFL games come to 2-3 "gotta have it" plays.

To me part of it is both. The coaching schemes generally aren't impressive and the team has a penalty problem (especially the line). On the other end, in big plays, most teams can just run their best play with their best players and our players just all of a sudden turn to dogshit because they aren't that good.

How many big plays occur where we need a first down and all of a sudden Maye is instantly swarmed and nobody is open? Pretty frequently. How often does our defense need a stop and a WR just break open? Pretty frequently.

Mayo needs to stop the bleeding that can be controlled. The penalties on the line. Not having AVP call tepid as **** plays after a huge interception. Things like that go a long ass way making it so those big plays aren't as impactful.

 

[PatsFan2]

He is comparing his not taking a timeout to SB49 ??

It's a good thing he retired early somebody got one too many concussions. We had the Lead Mayo talk about digging yourself a hole.

 

[Vindicate]

That's more an indication of how weak the AFC is this year. Well, the NFC isn't a ton better. Expanded playoffs was a terrible idea.

Bengals being trash has really opened things up. They normally keep other heavyweights in check as well.

 

[Vindicate]

It's a good thing he retired early somebody got one too many concussions. We had the Lead Mayo talk about digging yourself a hole.

Wtf lol. Wild answer. That's some insecurity showing on stage. Woof.

"We" didn't do ****. That was entirely Bill's call as every coach waited with bated breath. Mayo had nothing to do with it.