PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL PostGame Thread: Week 13 - Patriots lose to Colts 25-24

[Ray Ray 717]

You used the words asinine, drivel and apologist all in one sentence. I can’t compete against that level of smahts…

I’m just trying to understand your reasoning for trusting in Belichick after he completely failed this team as a GM over the last 7 years

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

You can call it bad coaching. Certainly a 1 point game could have gone either way given one better decision or one bounce of the football our way.

All of this is within expectations when the season started however. I expected no more than 6 wins from this squad.

Talent is still the biggest issue.

Coaching might need to improve too but we also need to realize that Mayo is a rookie head coach. He's going to make errors as well. The real question is does he learn from them going forward?

Who has the experience on this team? Everyone is a rookie here except brissette

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Ladd McConkey 117yds Today: but who's keeping count.

That is not fair. We got Polk and Baker in that draft trade. You have to combine Polk and Baker's total yards compared to McConkey

 

[signbabybrady]

2 years in a row one side of the ball dominated the Colts and still lost the game.

If you could take last year's defense and match them to this year's offense, you'd have a playoff team.

It took a special effort to lose today, and this loss was worse than last year's loss.

We could have but we fired him instead

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I’m just trying to understand your reasoning for trusting in Belichick after he completely failed this team as a GM over the last 7 years

While I agree, you are too harsh. Every GM makes mistakes. You have to compare against other situations.

Having said that, BB was a terrible GM for the last 5 to 7 years. Having said that, does the scouting department have any culpability? The 2024 draft was so bad, I hope we can agree that Wolf and Groh should be gone post haste. One of BB's biggest mistakes was not firing Wolf and Groh.

 

[Wax Frog]

You used the words asinine, drivel and apologist all in one sentence. I can’t compete against that level of smahts…

Paging @Thelonious

 

[Ray Ray 717]

While I agree, you are too harsh. Every GM makes mistakes. You have to compare against other situations.

Having said that, BB was a terrible GM for the last 5 to 7 years. Having said that, does the scouting department have any culpability? The 2024 draft was so bad, I hope we can agree that Wolf and Groh should be gone post haste. One of BB's biggest mistakes was not firing Wolf and Groh.

Maybe but it’s frustrating being back to the early 90s days of 2-14 records; when many people on this forum including you I’m sure, actively questioned a lot of the bonehead front office moves made in the past 5-7 years…it was pure arrogance thinking he is the smartest guy in the room.

Yes, I do think they are culpable to a degree. Any long time Patriots scout associated with evaluating wide receiver talent should be fired immediately! That said…Belichick has the final say.

Belichick is the one who told Dimitroff not to trade up for Julio Jones because Jonathan Baldwin was just as good and would be available when the falcons picked

 

[1960Pats]

When drafting a stud QB is a crapshoot and it looks like you got one then you’ve already made tremendous strides.

Both Lines need to be gutted and replaced
You need more talent at skill positions
The coaching staff looks atrocious

There’s moves to be made, question is whether or not ownership will make them

They're not making any moves this year so I'm just going to settle in and hope they can pull out another game or two.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I thought that Peppers made a difference today. But make no mistake, Indy has a bad offense.

The defense has some serious issues. BB got away with bad drafting with superior coaching, that is obviously not the case now. The combination of bad drafting and bad coaching is dooming this team.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I thought that Peppers made a difference today. But make no mistake, Indy has a bad offense.

The defense has some serious issues. BB got away with bad drafting with superior coaching, that is obviously not the case now. The combination of bad drafting and bad coaching is dooming this team.

I’ll go along with that

 

[mnpatfan]

That is not fair. We got Polk and Baker in that draft trade. You have to combine Polk and Baker's total yards compared to McConkey

Yeah, but mine goes up to 11. See.

 

[condon84]

I’m just trying to understand your reasoning for trusting in Belichick after he completely failed this team as a GM over the last 7 years

We won the SB six years ago. Went 12-4 five years ago. And then Bill didn't have decent QB play the last 4 years. Did he screw up on some picks and FA pickups, yes he did. Just like Wolf did this year and any GM we'll have in the future will also have duds, it's inevitable. But at the very least, when we had good rosters and QB play, you know Bill is going to compete for championships. Can you say the same for Mayo?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Maybe but it’s frustrating being back to the early 90s days of 2-14 records; when many people on this forum including you I’m sure, actively questioned a lot of the bonehead front office moves made in the past 5-7 years…it was pure arrogance thinking he is the smartest guy in the room.

Yes, I do think they are culpable to a degree. Any long time Patriots scout associated with evaluating wide receiver talent should be fired immediately! That said…Belichick has the final say.

Belichick is the one who told Dimitroff not to trade up for Julio Jones because Jonathan Baldwin was just as good and would be available when the falcons picked

BB had the final say on the trade of Polk and Baker for McConkey? BB is gone and the horrible drafting continues, but in your last 4 or 5 posts you only mention BB as a GM. We have to look forward. Right now we have a major problem if you care about hitting in the draft on linemen or wide recievers - fire Wolf and Groh and hire a professional GM or this franchise will continue to spiral down.

When you don't talk about the present GM problems, and only about BB as a lousy GM, you come across as a BB hater.

 

[Ring 6]

I’m just trying to understand your reasoning for trusting in Belichick after he completely failed this team as a GM over the last 7 years

Look at the results. Best ever.

 

[upstater1]

While I agree, you are too harsh. Every GM makes mistakes. You have to compare against other situations.

Having said that, BB was a terrible GM for the last 5 to 7 years. Having said that, does the scouting department have any culpability? The 2024 draft was so bad, I hope we can agree that Wolf and Groh should be gone post haste. One of BB's biggest mistakes was not firing Wolf and Groh.

You have to judge Belichick 2020-2023.

Judging him on 2015-2019 (bad drafts, etc.) requires that you understand there were so many factors involved in keeping the team primed for Super Bowls, and this meant trading the future for now, letting players go who you could develop for the future, trading draft picks for veterans, sitting young players, 3 prime draft picks lost to Deflategate, swinging for the fences on a DT like Easley when he was injured, drafting at the end of every round, letting players like Froholdt and Fleming go because you don't have the roster space since you maniacally insist on keeping 8 special teamers, etc.

We traded a 1st for Brandin Cooks, a 2nd for Mo Sanu, we traded a lot of mid round and late round draft picks for veterans, sort of like the Chiefs are doing right now by bringing in a slew of vets. This is basically trading the future.

A couple of the post 2020 drafts have been really good, a couple of them bad. But the FAs he brought in from Hunter Henry to Matthew Judon and several others have been good.

The big problem was the Mac Jones pick.

But Im not even mad about that anymore since we wouldn't have drafted Drake Maye.

If Kraft figures out how to be an owner soon, we will look back and think this franchise lucked out by sucking in 22 and 23.

 

[vicspats]

I’m just trying to understand your reasoning for trusting in Belichick after he completely failed this team as a GM over the last 7 years

I’ll give you that he missed on players that were drafted in and around our draft picks. As far as pro bowls personal accolades even longevity. Kinda like absolutely every single team that drafts absolutely every single year!! And in the end it’s what ended his tenure here. Just like absolutely every other team that fires their upper management!!! But I’m going to say that he only wanted to draft HIS type of players. I see what he’s saying. I believe he was trying to build a team with football players. His type of players. And to add to that maybe even overachievers to some degree. Guys outside of the box. After all these years coaching im guessing he wanted students vs Prima Dona’s. Guys that maybe downstream would be loyal to his way of coaching vs the lure of only money. The market and game changed. Tommy kept lots of guys in the mix due to his loyalty to the team. Bill took the hardline approach to Tommy due to his over 40 years in the bizz… that had to carry weight? Did it back fire ? Yup… had 12 gone to maybe any other team/set up I’m thinking he doesn’t win another superbowl .. who knows? I’m still to this day not 100% sure Bill was sold on the Mac.. he must have had Sabans ear. He knew his weaknesses … held his arm off the field for Christ sakes!! Soo I was flippant in saying if bill had Maye he’d still be here .. ya time warp thing I guess. But jeezus … it’s a message board .. now you made me write this whole thing out and I’m missing Family Guy !!!!

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Agree. But there is definitely glimmers of it. Maye is the real deal.

If it were not for him
There would be no incentive to watch

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

BB had the final say on the trade of Polk and Baker for McConkey? BB is gone and the horrible drafting continues, but in your last 4 or 5 posts you only mention BB as a GM. We have to look forward. Right now we have a major problem if you care about hitting in the draft on linemen or wide recievers - fire Wolf and Groh and hire a professional GM or this franchise will continue to spiral down.

When you don't talk about the present GM problems, and only about BB as a lousy GM, you come across as a BB hater.

BB takes the majority of the blame (as he should) but it’s also apparent that wolf and groh had their hands in our draft issues for a few years now. Need a complete rebuild with our front office.

 

[vicspats]

If it were not for him
There would be no incentive to watch

When all else fails…. Cheerleaders !!!

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I’ll give you that he missed on players that were drafted in and around our draft picks. As far as pro bowls personal accolades even longevity. Kinda like absolutely every single team that drafts absolutely every single year!! And in the end it’s what ended his tenure here. Just like absolutely every other team that fires their upper management!!! But I’m going to say that he only wanted to draft HIS type of players. I see what he’s saying. I believe he was trying to build a team with football players. His type of players. And to add to that maybe even overachievers to some degree. Guys outside of the box. After all these years coaching im guessing he wanted students vs Prima Dona’s. Guys that maybe downstream would be loyal to his way of coaching vs the lure of only money. The market and game changed. Tommy kept lots of guys in the mix due to his loyalty to the team. Bill took the hardline approach to Tommy due to his over 40 years in the bizz… that had to carry weight? Did it back fire ? Yup… had 12 gone to maybe any other team/set up I’m thinking he doesn’t win another superbowl .. who knows? I’m still to this day not 100% sure Bill was sold on the Mac.. he must have had Sabans ear. He knew his weaknesses … held his arm off the field for Christ sakes!! Soo I was flippant in saying if bill had Maye he’d still be here .. ya time warp thing I guess. But jeezus … it’s a message board .. now you made me write this whole thing out and I’m missing Family Guy !!!!

Thanks, appreciate your post. I do see your point, and admire the way you look at things. I think ultimately you said it best yourself. Did it backfire? Yes. And he failed to adapt when it backfired which is why he’s gone.

For the record, I don’t think Mayo is qualified to be an nfl head coach. Horrendous choice