PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL POSTGAME: Pats lose to the Jags 32-16, fall to 1-6

[festy1986]

It literally happened. They tried a 2 point conversion and failed. Fact.
You are the one pretending you wild get a different result.

Yes. You saw what happened. Your way didn't work.

You did NOT see what happened the correct way.

Are you ok bud?

 

[Ring 6]

Yes. You saw what happened. Your way didn't work.

You did NOT see what happened the correct way.

Are you ok bud?

Are you you honestly thinking there is a decision to go for 1 or 2 that guarantees a win?

That point the chance of winning is slim.

You increase your chance of winning by having the correct information. They miss the 2. So they need 2 more scores.
Knowing they need 2 they play accordingly and improve a little bit on the low odds they have.
For example if there was a turnover and they are 4th and 10 in FG range, having already determined you miss the 2 and need 2 scores you take the FG.

In your fantasy world where because you wish really hard the result of the 2 is different, can they also fly?

 

[Ring 6]

The OL played well enough to win. The WR's did not.

The running game had 12 carries for 20 yards. Care to show me examples of that being good enough to win? Other than Polk the WRs were fine.

 

[festy1986]

Are you you honestly thinking there is a decision to go for 1 or 2 that guarantees a win?

That point the chance of winning is slim.

You increase your chance of winning by having the correct information. They miss the 2. So they need 2 more scores.
Knowing they need 2 they play accordingly and improve a little bit on the low odds they have.
For example if there was a turnover and they are 4th and 10 in FG range, having already determined you miss the 2 and need 2 scores you take the FG.

In your fantasy world where because you wish really hard the result of the 2 is different, can they also fly?

You spent a lot of energy on something I never said.

Where the hell did you come up with the word guaranteed?

You're the one who can't understand that not getting the 2 point conversion with 9 minutes to go doesn't mean they won't get it with 1 minute to go.

 

[Ring 6]

You spent a lot of energy on something I never said.

Where the hell did you come up with the word guaranteed?

You're the one who can't understand that not getting the 2 point conversion with 9 minutes to go means they won't get it with 1 minute to go.

You said my way didn’t work. As if it would have to work for the decision to be right.

They ran their 2 point conversion play and it failed. It is no more likely to work one time than another, but you are factoring into your argument that it is.

So are you saying if they got 2 that makes it the right decision?

 

[festy1986]

You said my way didn’t work. As if it would have to work for the decision to be right.

They ran their 2 point conversion play and it failed. It is no more likely to work one time than another, but you are factoring into your argument that it is.

So are you saying if they got 2 that makes it the right decision?

I said your way didn't work because it didn't work. Did it work?

The odds of the 2 point conversion do not change bro. Is anyone disputing that? You either get it or you don't.

But failing to get it at 9 minutes changes the way the rest of the game unfolds.

You also made a claim that by not getting it on the first attempt, they wouldn't of got it if they had delayed the attempt until their next score. That's bunk science. It's not real and not rooted in reality.

 

[Ring 6]

I said your way didn't work because it didn't work. Did it work?

The odds of the 2 point conversion do not change bro. Is anyone disputing that? You either get it or you don't.

But failing to get it at 9 minutes changes the way the rest of the game unfolds.

You also made a claim that by not getting it on the first attempt, they wouldn't have got it if they had delayed the attempt until their next score. That's bunk science. It's not real and not rooted in reality.

Neither way had much chance of working but mine had a greater chance.

Changed how the game unfolds is bunk science.
They needed to run a 2 point play, when they did it failed. They found out sooner which is better.


If they made the 2 is it a good decision?

If they kicked then scores again with a minute left and missed the 2 was kicking it a good decision?

 

[festy1986]

Neither way had much chance of working but mine had a greater chance.

Changed how the game unfolds is bunk science.
They needed to run a 2 point play, when they did it failed. They found out sooner which is better.


If they made the 2 is it a good decision?

If they kicked then scores again with a minute left and missed the 2 was kicking it a good decision?

You unable to comprehend what we're even discussing here. You can't on one hand say that either way didn't have much chance of working while on the other hand argue that the chance is 50/50.

Going for it and getting it doesn't change wether it was the right decision. All it does is pay off the gamble.

Had they kicked the PAT and knew they was chasing one 2 point conversion and a TD, it changes everything about how the last drive goes. They would of had time on their side.

Wether they score or get the 2 point conversion well never know but what we do know is that they would of had a chance. Which they didn't because they did it your way.

Now if it's the third quarter I agree with you. You go for it because you need it anyway and it's better to find out now what you're chasing instead of with 4 minutes to go.

 

[Ring 6]

You unable to comprehend what we're even discussing here. You can't on one hand say that either way didn't have much chance of working while on the other hand argue that the chance is 50/50.

Going for it and getting it doesn't change wether it was the right decision. All it does is pay off the gamble.

Had they kicked the PAT and knew they was chasing one 2 point conversion and a TD, it changes everything about how the last drive goes. They would of had time on their side.

Wether they score or get the 2 point conversion well never know but what we do know is that they would of had a chance. Which they didn't because they did it your way.

Now if it's the third quarter I agree with you. You go for it because you need it anyway and it's better to find out now what you're chasing instead of with 4 minutes to go.

What in the world are you talking about?
No matter what the chance of winning was slim. Where are you getting 50/50 from?

Going for it and getting it means you are down 7 not 8 and can count on a td being 95% likely to tie the game. That’s not better? You aren’t being honest.

You are making the argument against. If they rely on a 2 point conversion they aren’t going to get time absolutely isn’t in their side. Of course you play differently if you need 2 scores. They found that out with 9 minute left instead of 9 seconds.

You are100% ba hoards on this. You are arguing it’s better to not know you need 2 score than to know. Ostensibly because you feel more comfortable wasting the clock you would have conserved if you found out earlier.

 

[festy1986]

What in the world are you talking about?
No matter what the chance of winning was slim. Where are you getting 50/50 from?

Going for it and getting it means you are down 7 not 8 and can count on a td being 95% likely to tie the game. That’s not better? You aren’t being honest.

You are making the argument against. If they rely on a 2 point conversion they aren’t going to get time absolutely isn’t in their side. Of course you play differently if you need 2 scores. They found that out with 9 minute left instead of 9 seconds.

You are100% ba hoards on this. You are arguing it’s better to not know you need 2 score than to know. Ostensibly because you feel more comfortable wasting the clock you would have conserved if you found out earlier.

Where am I getting 50/50 from?

Are you serious?

We did it you way and it didn't work. Doing it your way now required for the Patriots to stop the jags, get the ball back and score a TD, to stop the jags once again and to score AGAIN all within 9 minutes.

My way requires for us to stop the jags one time.

You see how that works?

 

[Ring 6]

Where am I getting 50/50 from?

Are you serious?

We did it you way and it didn't work. Doing it your way now required for the Patriots to stop the jags, get the ball back and score a TD, to stop the jags once again and to score AGAIN all within 9 minutes.

My way requires for us to stop the jags one time.

You see how that works?

I never said anything about 50/50. So yes where tf are you getting it from.

Doing it your way required then to score miss the 2 point conversion and get the ball back and score again.
THEY MISSED THE 2 POINT CONVERSION.
My way they know while they have time to do something a lot it. Your way they don’t.

So your way fools you into thinking you only have to stop them once.

The only advantage your way has is if my way means they miss the 2 and yours means they make it. Ignorant arguing.

 

[Ring 6]

Let me try this one more time.

You are down 15.

You either need 2 scores including a 2 pt conversion or 3 scores including a missed 2 point conversion

The outcome depends heavily on whether you make the 2 point conversion.

If you make it, you need 2 scores and it really doesn’t much matter whether you get the 2 on the first score or the second. (Except that if you get it on the first you could go for 2 and the win like some coaches try on the last second score)

So the decision really is which is a better approach in the event you are going to miss the 2 point conversion.

Taking the 2 on the first try gives you the knowledge right then and there that you must score twice. You play the final 9 minutes with that knowledge.
Delaying the 2 until the second score which no doubt will be very late in the game, leaves you with no time to adjust your strategy once you know it’s miss.

More knowledge earlier improves your chances.

The only argument against the is by going for it the first time they miss and by waiting they make it which is false logic.

 

[festy1986]

I never said anything about 50/50. So yes where tf are you getting it from.

Doing it your way required then to score miss the 2 point conversion and get the ball back and score again.
THEY MISSED THE 2 POINT CONVERSION.
My way they know while they have time to do something a lot it. Your way they don’t.

So your way fools you into thinking you only have to stop them once.

The only advantage your way has is if my way means they miss the 2 and yours means they make it. Ignorant arguing.

My way keeps the game alive. Your way ended it. You're the one trying to fool your self.

We don't need to know that we need a 2 point conversion with 9 seconds left vs 9 minutes left. We already know we need it.

Not getting it ended the game. Clear as day. It didn't give us a advantage known we needed 2 more scores. It just deflated the momentum and killed the game.

As for 50/50

They ran their 2 point conversion play and it failed. It is no more likely to work one time than another, but you are factoring into your argument that it is.

You're saying here it's 50/50. Are you not?


I understand your entire point. We know they need the 2 point conversion. It's better to know at 9 minutes compared to 1 minute that you didn't get it so you have time to course correct and make up those lost points.

The problem is you didn't get it. Your take that because we didn't get it, we was never gonna get it is dog ****. Losing with 1 minute left because you failed to convert a game tying 2 is better than losing cause you failed and made the game infinitely more harder at the 2 with 9 mins left.

There was not enough time to go for the 2 with 9 mins left, fail, stop the jags, score, stop the jags AGAIN and then SCORE again.

Your argument about time is true. My argument is that the time was already up. How do I know? You saw the game. They didn't get their 2 possessions in this fantasy world you are telling us we had.

 

[festy1986]

Let me try this one more time.

You are down 15.

You either need 2 scores including a 2 pt conversion or 3 scores including a missed 2 point conversion

The outcome depends heavily on whether you make the 2 point conversion.

If you make it, you need 2 scores and it really doesn’t much matter whether you get the 2 on the first score or the second. (Except that if you get it on the first you could go for 2 and the win like some coaches try on the last second score)

So the decision really is which is a better approach in the event you are going to miss the 2 point conversion.

Taking the 2 on the first try gives you the knowledge right then and there that you must score twice. You play the final 9 minutes with that knowledge.
Delaying the 2 until the second score which no doubt will be very late in the game, leaves you with no time to adjust your strategy once you know it’s miss.

More knowledge earlier improves your chances.

The only argument against the is by going for it the first time they miss and by waiting they make it which is false logic.

This isn't the argument bro. If this was the scenario the Patriots were in then it's a different story. It's not the scenario they were in.

 

[Ring 6]

My way keeps the game alive. Your way ended it. You're the one trying to fool your self.

We don't need to know that we need a 2 point conversion with 9 seconds left vs 9 minutes left. We already know we need it.

Not getting it ended the game. Clear as day. It didn't give us a advantage known we needed 2 more scores. It just deflated the momentum and killed the game.

As for 50/50


You're saying here it's 50/50. Are you not?


I understand your entire point. We know they need the 2 point conversion. It's better to know at 9 minutes compared to 1 minute that you didn't get it so you have time to course correct and make up those lost points.

The problem is you didn't get it. Your take that because we didn't get it, we was never gonna get it is dog ****. Losing with 1 minute left because you failed to convert a game tying 2 is better than losing cause you failed and made the game infinitely more harder at the 2 with 9 mins left.

There was not enough time to go for the 2 with 9 mins left, fail, stop the jags, score, stop the jags AGAIN and then SCORE again.

Your argument about time is true. My argument is that the time was already up. How do I know? You saw the game. They didn't get their 2 possessions in this fantasy world you are telling us we had.

Oh my god. You are comparing “when they scored down 15 there was a slim chance to win the game no matter what” to “a 2 point conversion is no more likely to work one time then another” and saying that means i think it was a 50/50 game? Jesus.

And there we have it. Yu think your way is better because it takes you longer to realize you lost. My way gives you the opportunity to do something about it.
The advantage is that you can game plan for the 2 scores you now understand you need. Teams score twice in 9 minutes all the time.

But now I see your argument. You think the exact same result is fine, losing, if you stall knowing it for 9 minutes. Emotionallyvowrhos you are right, and it would have been better for your feelings.

I am talking about the best way to win the game. And if that means you are screwed and need a miracle I want to know that as early as possible so I can play that way.
Kicking it then taking your time because you think scoring a TD and getting 2 keeps you alive, only to lose when you fail the conversion is not a logical, scientific approach to the problem. It doesn’t improve your chances to win

 

[Ring 6]

This isn't the argument bro. If this was the scenario the Patriots were in then it's a different story. It's not the scenario they were in.

This is exactly the argument. This is exactly the situation they were in.

 

[festy1986]

Oh my god. You are comparing “when they scored down 15 there was a slim chance to win the game no matter what” to “a 2 point conversion is no more likely to work one time then another” and saying that means i think it was a 50/50 game? Jesus.

And there we have it. Yu think your way is better because it takes you longer to realize you lost. My way gives you the opportunity to do something about it.
The advantage is that you can game plan for the 2 scores you now understand you need. Teams score twice in 9 minutes all the time.

But now I see your argument. You think the exact same result is fine, losing, if you stall knowing it for 9 minutes. Emotionallyvowrhos you are right, and it would have been better for your feelings.

I am talking about the best way to win the game. And if that means you are screwed and need a miracle I want to know that as early as possible so I can play that way.
Kicking it then taking your time because you think scoring a TD and getting 2 keeps you alive, only to lose when you fail the conversion is not a logical, scientific approach to the problem. It doesn’t improve your chances to win

You need to step back and comprehend what the argument here is because you've lost complete narrative here. I have zero idea what part of my arguments you are arguing because it's not clear you understand them.

Your way ended the game dude. You're saying it's better to know that at 9 minutes than 1 minute.

I'm saying that we can't possibly know we don't tie the game at 1 minute so how can you make that argument?

 

[festy1986]

This is exactly the argument. This is exactly the situation they were in.

Incorrect. The situation they was in was down 9 with a chance to make it 8.

They had 9 minutes to score a TD, a 2 point conversion while saving time for a game winning FG.

 

[festy1986]

And there we have it. Yu think your way is better because it takes you longer to realize you lost. My way gives you the opportunity to do something about it.
The advantage is that you can game plan for the 2 scores you now understand you need. Teams score twice in 9 minutes all the time.

I want to specifically highlight this part because you keep regurgitating it like you think that it hasn't sunk in.

You way did not give us time to do what you said it would. You saw how it unfolded. It didn't work. It literally did not work, despite you arguing that it gives us the best chance.

 

[Ring 6]

You need to step back and comprehend what the argument here is because you've lost complete narrative here. I have zero idea what part of my arguments you are arguing because it's not clear you understand them.

Your way ended the game dude. You're saying it's better to know that at 9 minutes than 1 minute.

I'm saying that we can't possibly know we don't tie the game at 1 minute so how can you make that argument?

I’m arguing what gives you the best chance to win when you are down 15 with 9 minutes and need either 2 scores if you can get a 2 pter or 3 if you fail.

Knowing whether you need 2 or 3 is pretty important to how you play those 9 minutes.
You have to go for 2 on one of those scores. So when you score the first time you have the opportunity to find out if you still need 1 more score or 2.

You are either going to make the 2 or miss the 2 and whether you try it on the first TD or the 2nd isn’t going to change that.

Going on the first TD gives you the opportunity to play those 9 minutes knowing you need 2 more scores (if you miss). Waiting makes you entire game plan about 1 scores enough and when you miss the 2 it wasn’t.