PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL POST GAME Thread - Patriots fall to Miami 34-15

[archstanton543]

You can call your team out for playing soft, and I can sort of accept that. Don't like it but I can accept it,

To say, "well once they are on the field, nothing I can do for them", is the height of malfeasance. If I was the CEO of a company and heard my COO or CFO etc exhibit this type of mentality, they would be fired on the spot. No questions asked.

I mean, how many times did we see BB yelling at players from the sideline when they were out of position. Mayo just looks lost out there.

 

[Real fan 02]

It’s close. There are really bad teams in the league. But NE can make an argument.


To me, the most alarming part is the utter lack of players on the roster who are worth keeping.

The Panthers I'd argue are a better team right now and that's not saying much. We are a undisciplined, untalented team with the 3rd overall pick. I can guarantee you a good portion of the players you see now won't be here next season.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

It's not complicated.

Then why hasn't he learned it? He still doesn't know how to make all the calls...

 

[TheRainMaker]

Because when it was Mac, people had the luxury of turning on blinders and blaming everything on him. This fanbase has been living in lala land for years and didn't want to believe how bad the team was getting and was looking for easy excuses that tended to be QB related.

In 2019 it was people screaming that Brady declined and his fame got to his head and he was being selfish and promoting himself too much.

In 2020, it was people crying about Cam Newton and how unbearable it was to watch him.

In 2021-2023 it was people blaming every bad thing about the team on Mac and saying he was so uniquely bad that he was holding this roster back and creaming themselves at the thought that Stidham or Zappe would come off the bench and save the team. Both got shots and played like **** as well.

NOW we have a QB who is objectively playing very well.... and the team is still so ****ing untalented that we are still looking like dog **** and are still losing. And since now fans are realizing how bad it actually got and how we weren't going to magically swap QB's and turn everything around, they realize how much work this team needs and how long this **** will actually be. It's why people are hyper fixated on Mayo, because he's the new biggest change the team could make, despite him having exactly 1 less than Bill Belichick did last year (and they both had 3 wins at this point last year).

The roster has been bad for awhile. 5 years it was mostly just the offense. But the defense has been eroding as well and doesn't have the old leadership. This is a bad roster. Plain and simple. Some people were just slower to get with the program

You nailed it with this post. Posters are seeing how bad this roster is today, they are forgetting the roster was pretty bad since 2020 and was even eroding with Brady's last season here.

 

[archstanton543]

The Panthers I'd argue are a better team right now and that's not saying much. We are a undisciplined, untalented team with the 3rd overall pick. I can guarantee you a good portion of the players you see now won't be here next season.

4th overall.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The Colts will tear us a new one followed by the Cardinals. Happy days are coming.

Luckily we have the Bills after the Cardinals, so we can get right against the Bills

 

[raduray]

You don't want to be the QB right after Brady and you don't want to be the coach right after BB. Hopefully Kraft can use Mayo as the 1 year post BB sacrificial lamb and the next guy will be out of BB's shadow.
If you hire a defensive head coach and your defense is terrible, what's the point of having a defensive minded head coach, offense wins, get an offensive minded head coach.

Part of me feels bad for Mayo. I think he's in over his head. How many head coaches have there been, or been successful, without having first been a coordinator? Mayo wasn't even the DC, definitely not the defensive play caller under Bill, and you can be sure Bill, with his background, had his hand in the defense. So Mayo never had the experience of running his own operation. And if he gets fired, what's his future in football? I don't see anything more that a linebackers coaching position and then start climbing up again. Kraft did him wrong by handing him the keys with the limited experience he had. Of course, if he banks his money, he can lead a comfortable middle class lifestyle.

 

[PatsFan2]

Luckily we have the Bills after the Cardinals, so we can get right against the Bills

Out muscled and out coached.

 

[bresna]

All of this cheering for tanking the season... I don't get it. This team is not a few high draft picks from the playoffs. Belichick got a lot of **** for his tendency to sign a bunch of middling free agents, but that's how you build a team, not trying to draft 22 starters.

I still think it's more on the coaching. Too many mental errors. No adjustments. No willingness to go for it when needed. Horrible clock management. Picking the wrong direction in OT. It goes on & on.

 

[Real fan 02]

Where are you going to get all those players? Doesn't matter when the coach has no idea what he is doing. He is not a leader of men which is what we all were told. He is not, he is best as a follower.

It's possible.. 90 men can be on the roster until cut down day. I'm safely assuming at least 8-10 players won't be here next season. So between drafted, FA, possible trade acquisition I can say at least 10- 14 new players.
3 new OL at least
2 LBs, 2 DE, 2DTs, 3WRs, 2 CBs

Players I believe won't be here:
Jordan, Benny brown, Daniel equale, (peppers unfortunately)

 

[Real fan 02]

4th overall.

Drake was 3rd no?

 

[lancerman]

You nailed it with this post. Posters are seeing how bad this roster is today, they are forgetting the roster was pretty bad since 2020 and was even eroding with Brady's last season here.

Yup even today people are crying about defensive regression. Our defense has been getting routinely pantsed for years (and you can go back to that 2019 game against the Ravens) whenever they faced offenses with the level of raw physical talent as Miami. It's been a trend of them being a paper tiger of beating up bad offenses and then crumbling against good ones.

People just didn't want to take an objectively look at where the roster was when there was a shiny golden carrot they could look towards for why things could change fast.

Mac wasn't good. But Mac wasn't the primary reason the last 3 years panned out the way they did. He was a reason they maybe didn't win some close nailbiters, but he wasn't the reason why the defense consistently couldn't get off the field against the Bills and he wasn't the reason the WR's never got seperation and wasn't the reason the line was porous, and he wasn't the reason our special teams was one of the worst in the league last year.

And surprise, we got Maye, and he magically didn't fix everything

 

[ViperGTS]

It's possible.. 90 men can be on the roster until cut down day. I'm safely assuming at least 8-10 players won't be here next season. So between drafted, FA, possible trade acquisition I can say at least 10- 14 new players.
3 new OL at least
2 LBs, 2 DE, 2DTs, 3WRs, 2 CBs

Players I believe won't be here:
Jordan, Benny brown, Daniel equale, (peppers unfortunately)

I'll add J Jones to that list. He's done.

Doesn't matter if Mayo is still the coach. FAs see what he is saying and how he is coaching. Who wants to be a part of that?

 

[archstanton543]

Drake was 3rd no?

We have the 4th overall pick in the 2025 draft as of today.

 

[turkeyneck]

Part of me feels bad for Mayo. I think he's in over his head. How many head coaches have there been, or been successful, without having first been a coordinator? Mayo wasn't even the DC, definitely not the defensive play caller under Bill, and you can be sure Bill, with his background, had his hand in the defense. So Mayo never had the experience of running his own operation. And if he gets fired, what's his future in football? I don't see anything more that a linebackers coaching position and then start climbing up again. Kraft did him wrong by handing him the keys with the limited experience he had. Of course, if he banks his money, he can lead a comfortable middle class lifestyle.

I agree completely with this but Mayo owns it now. He could have taken a college coaching job or a pro position where he had to function without training wheels. The fake coach position he had under BB was no service to him either. He seems to have never developed a clear idea of what actual coaching entails.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

You can call your team out for playing soft, and I can sort of accept that. Don't like it but I can accept it,

To say, "well once they are on the field, nothing I can do for them", is the height of malfeasance. If I was the CEO of a company and heard my COO or CFO etc exhibit this type of mentality, they would be fired on the spot. No questions asked.

I just realized Mayo played only 5 healthy seasons with the Pats: 2008 - 2012. He was team captain for 4 of those.

I then realized that's his leadership style: team captain. He can encourage and call out players, but he doesn't really DO anything. He can't pull players out of the game and bench them. He can't change up the defense to give the team a better shot. He's just a scold or a cheerleader, and he only did that for 4 years. Sure, he was a position coach, but that's very similar.

It explains his passive approach very well. He has no experience being a decisive leader. And now that he's getting to do it, we see indecisiveness, poor decision-making, and fallbacks to the team captain leadership style, as we see above ("I can only scold or encourage, the guys either pull it together or not"). He's not ready for this role, and he may never be.

 

[raduray]

The roster has been bad for awhile. 5 years it was mostly just the offense. But the defense has been eroding as well and doesn't have the old leadership. This is a bad roster. Plain and simple. Some people were just slower to get with the program

Unfortunately, other than Maye who dropped into his lap, Wolf hasn't made it any better.

 

[lancerman]

All of this cheering for tanking the season... I don't get it. This team is not a few high draft picks from the playoffs. Belichick got a lot of **** for his tendency to sign a bunch of middling free agents, but that's how you build a team, not trying to draft 22 starters.

I still think it's more on the coaching. Too many mental errors. No adjustments. No willingness to go for it when needed. Horrible clock management. Picking the wrong direction in OT. It goes on & on.

No this team is untalented. They need an infusion of talent and higher draft picks in each round will help that. Especially at premier positions.

When you have a good base you can find little pieces everywhere that fit your system. Which is what Bill did.

The first dynasty started when Richard Seymour and Matt Light were drafted with our two highest picks and added to the roster that was built when Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy and Teddy Bruschi were all drafted in the first few rouns in prior drafts.

The second dynasty started when we drafted Devin McCourty, Patrick Chung, Rob Gronkwoski, Nate Soldier, Chandler Jones, and Jamie Collins with are first few picks in drafts from 2009-2013. That was our base. We added guys on top of that through free agency to keep it deep.

We haven't had a quality draft like those in ages. Like over a decade and Bill Belichick proved that you could only keep finding guys that could fit your system for so long in free agency until your base eroded and it became a problem. Losing Brady obviously exasperated parts of it. But the truth is we had been plugging and playing for awhile while the core of the roster was getting old.

Coaching isn't great, but the first issue is the roster. It's been that for a long time. The best draft pick they made in ages was Maye and it was because they had a high pick and they were basically forced to take him.

 

[FCB02062]

Where are you going to get all those players? Doesn't matter when the coach has no idea what he is doing. He is not a leader of men which is what we all were told. He is not, he is best as a follower.

Free agents, draft, undrafted FA. They have the QB. They need everything else

 

[raduray]

You nailed it with this post. Posters are seeing how bad this roster is today, they are forgetting the roster was pretty bad since 2020 and was even eroding with Brady's last season here.

Agree that GM Bill ran the team into the ground, but other than Maye, this crew hasn't done anything to reverse this.