PostGame Thread 2023 Week 2: Patriots Lose to Dolphins 24-17

[Triumph]

OK, I sort of figured that.

That's a weird thing to be upset about.

Nothing to be upset about.

Jones is a loser. Just the way that it is.

I'm sure they probably will. And they'll keep drafting someone, just like they always have while Brady was here.

Its not like when Brady was here at all. NE needs a competent starter.

 

[Wozzy]

Yes I agree. OL is a major problem. But the usual suspects are putting the losses all on Mac Jones.

When anyone can clearly see he's not on the top list of problems of why we are losing.

And that's not saying he's great. Just that it's tough to win in the NFL if you can't run the ball, your OL can't run or pass block and your receivers aren't explosive.

You can put anyone back there and they probably would have a tough time.

He could potentially be great if they could block for him.

I don't know how anyone could watch this team and think QB is the problem.

The offense ranks 6th in sacks, despite that they rank 7th in passing yards.

They rank 26th in rushing yards per game and 24th in rushing yards per attempt.

Newsflash: it's the offensive line and offensive execution.

 

[Wozzy]

Nothing to be upset about.

Jones is a loser. Just the way that it is.

Its not like when Brady was here at all. NE needs a competent starter.

At the end of September in 2014 the Patriots got steamrolled 41-14 by the Kansas City Chiefs on Monday Night Football for their second loss of the season. Tom Brady was held to 159 yards and one touchdown against two interceptions and a fumble. Bleacher Report wrote that it was the “death knell” of the Patriots dynasty. Through the first four weeks of 2014 Brady was near dead last in passing.... the media were asking Bill if he considered benching his QB.

Yeah... this never happened when Tom was here.

Good grief.

 

[Jlaff]

We're two weeks into the season, very few teams, if any, TODAY, would make any move right now, save for the Jets, who lost their QB for the season. It's too early in the year for that. But by January, someone would. He'll absolutely be in someone's camp if/when he ever leaves here if he's not here beyond next season.

Sounds like you're basically in agreement if we'd have to wait for January for "someone" to make that move.

And if you're an "undeniable NFL starting QB" you don't just get a spot in some team's camp to compete with the Minshews and Dobbs of the world. You have teams giving up draft picks, multi-year contracts, etc.

 

[Rob0729]

We're two weeks into the season, very few teams, if any, TODAY, would make any move right now, save for the Jets, who lost their QB for the season. It's too early in the year for that. But by January, someone would. He'll absolutely be in someone's camp if/when he ever leaves here if he's not here beyond next season.

At worst next off season, Jones will be competing for the start job here or traded to compete for a starting job elsewhere. That is a given.

And he is clearly not the worst starting QB in the league.

 

[jdlboot14]

If you're still on here saying Mac is the problem, or hasn't improved, then you are football-stupid and just blindly following the past glory of when BB was in his prime. Mac played on par (if not better) than Hurts & Tua in consecutive weeks - with an inexperienced patchwork OL, and mediocre or rookie WR's.
He made quick accurate throws, even on the run, that commentators drool over when it's Mahomes or Allen.
He even ran well and picked up 1st downs when he had to.
So he missed on a few long bombs - taking desperation shots because they needed to try. (which Brady never hit until Moss came)
BB continues to kick Mac's favorite guys to the curb, or bench the most explosive weapons.
If you want to blame someone for where this team is, you're not living in reality or objectivity if you look anywhere other than BB.

 

[archstanton543]

At worst next off season, Jones will be competing for the start job here or traded to compete for a starting job elsewhere. That is a given.

Competing against who? Zappe? Corral?

 

[Sciz]

Are any of these guys playing? Any reports on how well?

The only rookie tackle picked outside the first round who is playing is Dawand Jones. Even that is only due to injury.

I know it’s frustrating for the people that saw him falling and wanted to grab him, although it was apparent to me in the live draft thread that very few people were aware of his red flags. Most notably, he declined to weigh in at his pro day. However much weight he had gained in 17 days since the combine, his representatives decided it was better to let everybody speculate than to put a concrete number on it.

 

[Triumph]

Jones will be in the NFL for years. He does belong in the NFL. He is a starting caliber QB. That is undeniable.

When Corky gets run off would please go with him.

Even if Mac fails here, he will get other chances on another team to compete to start and at worst could be a back up for the next decade or two.

And after every loss, you will be on that teams message board peddling every excuse in the book and telling everyone how good Mac Jones really is.

Tell em all about the 70 yard bomb that Mac threw to little Billy from Tewksbury in 2023 camp. Billy caught it too.

 

[sb1]

Its not like when Brady was here at all. NE needs a competent starter.

So you're admitting you reached the acceptance stage for your hero Zappe. Progress... finally!

 

[Rob0729]

Competing against who? Zappe? Corral?

If the Pats lose confidence in him over this season, they will bring in a veteran or a rookie next year to compete. Clearly the Pats think he is starter quality because there are several starter quality QBs sitting waiting for someone to fail or get injured to jump in like Carson Wentz.

 

[Ian]

Nothing to be upset about.

Jones is a loser. Just the way that it is.

Its not like when Brady was here at all. NE needs a competent starter.

Again, it's easy to say get rid of this guy. It's another to replace them with someone better. And you don't mean competent. You mean upper echelon because every team usually has a competent player who can start in this league. Competent guys can at least go .500 and/or win games in the NFL. Jones is certainly competent.

Not a lot of upper-echelon guys are readily available, which is the problem. And even the top names don't always pan out.

We had 20 years of greatness, and if Jones doesn't pan out, the process is going to take time as they keep sifting through other ones. However much that irritates people. Plenty of dynasty teams have gone decades without stability at the position. Hopefully, that won't be the case here but "it is what it is."

And in the not-too-distant future, Bill will be gone as well. That whole, "be careful what you wish for" thing is coming. It'll be here before we all know it.

 

[Jlaff]

At worst next off season, Jones will be competing for the start job here or traded to compete for a starting job elsewhere. That is a given.

Ok, getting an opportunity to compete is not what an "undeniable NFL starting caliber" QB has to do.

Am I misinterpreting what an "undeniable NFL starting caliber QB" is? Because to me, that's someone who has proved beyond a balance of probabilities that they have the ability to consistently (remember "undeniable") win more games than they lose in a season.

 

[Ian]

If the Pats lose confidence in him over this season, they will bring in a veteran or a rookie next year to compete. Clearly the Pats think he is starter quality because there are several starter quality QBs sitting waiting for someone to fail or get injured to jump in like Carson Wentz.

Posts like this remind me I need to work the "eek!" reaction back in somewhere.

 

[sb1]

If the Pats lose confidence in him over this season, they will bring in a veteran or a rookie next year to compete. Clearly the Pats think he is starter quality because there are several starter quality QBs sitting waiting for someone to fail or get injured to jump in like Carson Wentz.

Not sure if I'd call Wentz starter quality anymore. He was worse than 2020 Cam with Washington.

I'd also rather not be the Colts post Luck running the vet merry go round.

 

[Triumph]

At the end of September in 2014 the Patriots got steamrolled 41-14 by the Kansas City Chiefs on Monday Night Football for their second loss of the season. Tom Brady was held to 159 yards and one touchdown against two interceptions and a fumble. Bleacher Report wrote that it was the “death knell” of the Patriots dynasty. Through the first four weeks of 2014 Brady was near dead last in passing.... the media were asking Bill if he considered benching his QB.

Yeah... this never happened when Tom was here.

Good grief.

Do you pay attention to whats going on around here?

Kraft wants playoff wins this season. Not after his funeral.

Dynasty? Yeah, Duck Dynasty. Here comes another Jones pass, looks like a Mallard, get your shotguns ready.

 

[Rob0729]

When Corky gets run off would please go with him.

And after every loss, you will be on that teams message board peddling every excuse in the book and telling everyone how good Mac Jones really is.

Tell em all about the 70 yard bomb that Mac threw to little Billy from Tewksbury in 2023 camp. Billy caught it too.

Dude, if we did a poll between me and you on who should leave this board, you would win by a landslide. And I am clearly not the most popular guy on this board.

I haven’t made an excuse for Mac yet. In fact, I criticized Mac for his sideline throws to the right last night.

That said, if you think Mac Jones is the biggest problem with this offense or even close to the biggest problem, you might want to check your own biases.

 

[archstanton543]

And in the not-too-distant future, Bill will be gone as well. That whole, "be careful what you wish for" thing is coming. It'll be here before we all know it.

I mean, I hope that we can catch up the rest of the league by building a modern offense when BB is gone. I realize this will take a few seasons with whoever his replacement is.

 

[Rob0729]

Ok, getting an opportunity to compete is not what an "undeniable NFL starting caliber" QB has to do.

Am I misinterpreting what an "undeniable NFL starting caliber QB" is? Because to me, that's someone who has proved beyond a balance of probabilities that they have the ability to consistently (remember "undeniable") win more games than they lose in a season.

I will answer this one. I said at worst. That means Jones is a disaster the rest of the season (or at least far worse than he is playing now) which would move him out of the undeniable starter category.

 

[Ian]

Dude, if we did a poll between me and you on who should leave this board, you would win by a landslide. And I am clearly not the most popular guy on this board.

I haven’t made an excuse for Mac yet. In fact, I criticized Mac for his sideline throws to the right last night.

That said, if you think Mac Jones is the biggest problem with this offense or even close to the biggest problem, you might want to check your own biases.

My issue is I don't know what the answer is. I mean, @Triumph and @PatsFan2 can spend all day saying Jones stinks, but that requires someone else to come in and play with the exact same cast with the exact same expectations.

It's OK to be frustrated, but I don't know what the end game is, other than the fact there aren't better guys sitting around who are available to replace him and perform at a higher level.