2022 Free Agent Receivers - Will the Patriots Target One?

[DaBruinz]

I only mentioned 2020, because I made this same post last year too.

I feel we have had the worst WR in the NFL the past 2 seasons.


Your PFF rankings?
Do you have the actual link?
Those PFF rankings do not match what I see & why doesn’t Jax include DJ Chark who Although hurt in 2021, he is probably their best receiver.

Now let me ask you……

Do you really think our current receiver core is ….,

Above average
Average
Below average…… Gets my vote 100%.

I'm sorry you're not intelligent enough to look at the top of each image to see that I included part of the link as PROOF of where I got my information from.




It's real simple. It's called using the FILTER on their NFL Rankings Page. NFL WR Position Grades | PFF. Please feel free to post YOUR links that you are using since you DEMAND it of others.

Claiming that the Pats WRs were "below average" says that you don't have the ability to discern what is and is not average.

And, like @ashley1992 , I don't remember you posting jack after the 2020 season. But then, the Patriots DID upgrade by getting Bourne and Agholor. You clearly have issues with that.

It's pretty sad that you think everyone who thinks you're opinion is garbage is part of the "Pom Pom" crowd. Just goes to show your bias on the subject as well as your inability to see reality and understand what goes into the Passing game.. It's just not the quality of the receivers. It's also the O-line pass blocking and the QB's abilities.

 

[DaBruinz]

We did have the worst receivers in 2020
& 2021.

The Pom Pom people just can’t grasp it.
One even said that our receivers were above average.

Where are you?

We’re our receivers last year……. ?
Above Average
Average
Below average - My choice 100%

You're choice isn't based on reality. It's based on some fictional set of criteria that you can't be bothered to enumerate on.
The fact is that I posted the real PFF grades and you went bumbling about trying to say they weren't. The fact that you insist on including 2020 despite the fact that the WR corps weren't the same is just laughable.

You're entire argument is what is "below average". You purposely ignore reality and then make blanket claims about the people disagreeing with you. The fact that pretty much everyone disagrees with you should tell you that your evaluations are off.

 

[DaBruinz]

You lost all credibility rating the Patriots receivers above average last year.

I am sure I can find negative past comments on most ranking sites & writers to question their rankings.

Look at clowns like Ron Borges, who laughed at us drafting Seymour over
David Terrell. That was back when Globe readers actually valued his opinion

You're the clown like Ron Borges. And attacking @BaconGrundleCandy tells me that you have serious issues that just reinforce the idea that you're the clown.

 

[DaBruinz]

All you offered is your opinion.

That & 99 cents will get me a coffee at
Cumberland farms.

Show me any type of ranking that shows
The Pats WR were rated better than any team.

I showed PFF rating show them the Pats at the bottom of the barrel

Now let’s address the real issue….

Do you really think our receivers do not need a major upgrade?

You did no such thing. What you POSTED was a bunch of nonsensical garbage and claimed that it came from PFF. You offered no screen shots and NO LINKS.

I posted the ACTUAL SCREEN SHOTS that showed you to be WRONG. And your response was to demand the links despite that most of it was in the shots I provided.

Here is NFL.COM showing the TEAM receiving for 2021.

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I then click on each category twice so that it's in DESCENDING to see where the Pats receiving fell:
Receptions - Slightly Above average
Yards -Above Average
Yards Per Reception - Top 10 (Tied for 7th overall).
TDs - Slightly Above average
20+ - Top 10 (10th)
40+ - Slightly Above Average
Rec 1st - Average
Rec 1st %- Average.

Here is PFF showing the TEAM Receiving rankings for the entirety of 2021. The Pats were ranked 7th overall.





So, this idea from you that the Pats were "bottom of the barrel just isn't factual. And you artbitrarily posting numbers without backing them up but demanding others to do so is pretty laughable.

 

[captain stone]

I was reading the Patriots have interest in Darius Slayton from the Giants.
Which would be a late rounder or so in trade.

I still think the Patriots should trade for Jalen Reagor and see if a change of scenery helps him out.

Laviska shenault is out there.
But I was reading the Chiefs and Eagles are all on that.

I think any of those three players could potentially be positive additions.

Bill should've drafted Slayton when he had the chance(s)...

Slayton >>>>>> Shenault >>>>>>>>>> Reagor

 

[Sciz]

I was reading the Patriots have interest in Darius Slayton from the Giants.
Which would be a late rounder or so in trade.

Another guy whose job is at risk because he played too much and qualified for the Proven Performance Escalator raise from ~$1M to ~$2.5M. The Patriots were willing to take on the extra salary by trading Winovich (who didn’t qualify for the raise) for Wilson (who did), but I imagine they see a bigger role for Wilson than what they’d expect Slayton to contribute.

Jake Bailey is the same idea, except that he got the almost $4M salary for making the Pro Bowl, as opposed to the lower PPE salaries based on snap counts. Ravens WR Miles Boykin is the other guy I’ve seen reported as being on the trade block as a result of the PPE salary increase.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

You did no such thing. What you POSTED was a bunch of nonsensical garbage and claimed that it came from PFF. You offered no screen shots and NO LINKS.

I posted the ACTUAL SCREEN SHOTS that showed you to be WRONG. And your response was to demand the links despite that most of it was in the shots I provided.

Here is NFL.COM showing the TEAM receiving for 2021.

NFL.com | Official Site of the National Football League

The official source for NFL news, video highlights, fantasy football, game-day coverage, schedules, stats, scores and more.

www.nfl.com

I then click on each category twice so that it's in DESCENDING to see where the Pats receiving fell:
Receptions - Slightly Above average
Yards -Above Average
Yards Per Reception - Top 10 (Tied for 7th overall).
TDs - Slightly Above average
20+ - Top 10 (10th)
40+ - Slightly Above Average
Rec 1st - Average
Rec 1st %- Average.

Here is PFF showing the TEAM Receiving rankings for the entirety of 2021. The Pats were ranked 7th overall.





So, this idea from you that the Pats were "bottom of the barrel just isn't factual. And you artbitrarily posting numbers without backing them up but demanding others to do so is pretty laughable.

Your stats are irrelevant because they do not reflect only the top 3 receivers for each team.

According to those stats … the Patriots had better receivers than the Cardinals in 2021?

You like ….

Meyers
Bourne
Agholor

Over…

DeAndre Hopkins
Christian Kirk
Rondale Moore

I only mentioned the top 3 receivers & your Stats do not reflect only starting receivers

Do you really think the Patriots have the 7th best receivers in the NFL in 2021?

What about 2022?

Do you think the Patriots have the 7th best Starting receivers in 2022?

Agholor
Bourne
Meyers

You happy with these 3, starting for us?
You don’t think we can upgrade these 3?

 

[cupofjoe1962]

I think you're forgetting I already answered. You're talking about me below ...

Patsfans HOF someday

I'm hardly a homer. Man you're out of touch. Not even trying to be mean but it's glaring in your post. I'm not shy about going after Bill at all lol. Or anyone. I'm just objective.

Meyers, Agholor, Bourne are all average to slightly above average on their best day WR's. Gunner is a below average WR. Byrd was a below average WR. Harry is a below average WR. You see the difference?? None of those 3 are below average. Add in Henry who is a top ten TE and it's an average to slightly above average group on their best day like I've said.

You don't need to post often. And I'm certainly not telling you what or how to post. I'm saying it's poor quality and you're wrong. Borderline dramatic saying the Pats have the worst WR/TE corp in the league. Again it has nothing to do with how often you post.

I just wouldn't be so quick to bring up credibility and tell everyone they're wrong. Especially when you've been given multiple examples that disprove your claim. Nobody here would trade targets with Houston. Or Cleveland rn. Or GB but again I gave you multiple examples.

Apologies on being a widower. I hope you had a blast together. I'm not religious but you're doing gods work raising 14/15 yo by yourself. Maybe you have some other family but in any case that's a tough age in this climate and time but you roll with it. And I'm sure you're cherishing them when you're not fed up, confused or exhausted.

Anyway take it easy old man I hope I reach that age and still have the passion to argue about sports online. I'd fight along side you against the Russians any day.

You say…..,
Meyers, Bourne, & Agholor are average to above average starting receivers?

Today !!!!!

Which teams “outside of complete rebuild
Houston & GB who will draft a WR early” currently have a worse set of receivers going into the draft?

Do you really think we don’t need to upgrade our receivers to win a Super Bowl with Mac Jones?

We did win with lesser receivers in the past, but we no longer have Brady.

 

[PatsFan2]

I was reading the Patriots have interest in Darius Slayton from the Giants.
Which would be a late rounder or so in trade.

That Giants Team went to hell after such promising start few years back. Darius Slayton had very good Rookie and Sophomore years. Getting him in a Trade would make WR a luxury pick in the upcoming Draft. That said I would still Draft one with Slayton in the fold.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

You say…..,
Meyers, Bourne, & Agholor are average to above average starting receivers?

Today !!!!!

Which teams “outside of complete rebuild
Houston & GB who will draft a WR early” currently have a worse set of receivers going into the draft?

This has been answered about 5 times. Lions, Texans, jete, Bears, Browns, Packers, Falcons, Ravens, Jacksonville, Eagles ... I guarantee you have to look up who Tennessee has after AJ Brown. Same for NO after Thomas. Or Washington after Terry. None of those WR corp's are world beaters. How about Carolina save Moore?

That's at least 10 teams that are worse. Again this has been provided to you before.

Do you really think we don’t need to upgrade our receivers to win a Super Bowl with Mac Jones?

I've been on record for months now saying we need an X and true slot. Problem is we have other pressing needs as well. I also have said since last summer that this team has is on a timetable with a plan.

Last year was seeing what we have. Getting guys acclimated here.

This year we trying to max out what we have. See who's worth keeping for the next SB run ...

2023 is the year we'll be a serious contender. We'll retain guys like Henry or Agholor or not. Spend more than we did this year and put a real SB contender on the field.

We did win with lesser receivers in the past, but we no longer have Brady.

I'm under no delusion about Mac. He's exactly who I thought he was. This year we're seeing if he can max out the guys we have barring something falling in our laps like OBJ on a team friendly deal. I understand if people think we should be doing something different but that looks like the plan so far.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I'd like the Pats to draft at least one or two WR's in this draft and taking the first WR no latter then the 2nd round.

Mac needs a primary, chain moving go to guy that irritates defenses. Going in with Myers as your #1 is tragic.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

This has been answered about 5 times. Lions, Texans, jete, Bears, Browns, Packers, Falcons, Ravens, Jacksonville, Eagles ... I guarantee you have to look up who Tennessee has after AJ Brown. Same for NO after Thomas. Or Washington after Terry. None of those WR corp's are world beaters. How about Carolina save Moore?

That's at least 10 teams that are worse. Again this has been provided to you before.

I've been on record for months now saying we need an X and true slot. Problem is we have other pressing needs as well. I also have said since last summer that this team has is on a timetable with a plan.

Last year was seeing what we have. Getting guys acclimated here.

This year we trying to max out what we have. See who's worth keeping for the next SB run ...

2023 is the year we'll be a serious contender. We'll retain guys like Henry or Agholor or not. Spend more than we did this year and put a real SB contender on the field.

I'm under no delusion about Mac. He's exactly who I thought he was. This year we're seeing if he can max out the guys we have barring something falling in our laps like OBJ on a team friendly deal. I understand if people think we should be doing something different but that looks like the plan so far.

So you think the Patriots had better receivers than, the Lions in 2021?

I say your wrong ….,

St Brown is better than any current Patriots receiver & Raymond is no slouch….
If Meyers could run like Raymond, he would have a lot more value.

What about 2022 Lions Receivers vs Patriots receivers

Who do you like better for 2022

St Brown is better than any of our current receivers by a wide margin.

Do you believe the nonsense that #DaBruins is pushing, that the Patriots had the 7th best receivers in 2022?

 

[PatsFan2]

I'd like the Pats to draft at least one or two WR's in this draft and taking the first WR no latter then the 2nd round.

Mac needs a primary, chain moving go to guy that irritates defenses. Going in with Myers as your #1 is tragic.

IF the Pats find the right Rookie WR and that's a Big IF that player will be light years better than any on this roster. That said I like K Bourne as a #2/#3 with upside he would be so much better with someone else drawing tough coverage.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

So you think the Patriots had better receivers than, the Lions in 2021?

I say your wrong ….,

St Brown is better than any current Patriots receiver & Raymond is no slouch….
If Meyers could run like Raymond, he would have a lot more value.

What about 2022 Lions Receivers vs Patriots receivers

Who do you like better for 2022

St Brown is better than any of our current receivers


Your entitled to your opinion.

I believe the patriots need to upgrade their receivers.

Your obviously happy with Agholor, Meyers, & Bourne.

Do you believe the nonsense that #DaBruins is pushing, that the Patriots had the 7th best receivers in 2022?

You're not good at this if you're comparing one player to our entire WR corp.

Seriously what exactly is your point?? The Lions have a better WR corp than us bc of a rookie??? Honestly is this what you're saying? Don't know what else to say it's tough to take this seriously.

I'm not saying we have the best group. I'm simply refuting your claim that we have the worst. All the guys we have are average to slightly above average on a good day. I gave you 10-15 teams and you're coming back saying St Brown > our entire WR corp. C'mon man no one thinks like that lol.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

You're not good at this if you're comparing one player to our entire WR corp.

Seriously what exactly is your point?? The Lions have a better WR corp than us bc of a rookie??? Honestly is this what you're saying? Don't know what else to say it's tough to take this seriously.

I'm not saying we have the best group. I'm simply refuting your claim that we have the worst. All the guys we have are average to slightly above average on a good day. I gave you 10-15 teams and you're coming back saying St Brown > our entire WR corp. C'mon man no one thinks like that lol.

Which Patriots receiver do you prefer to St Brown?

My point is…., The Patriots need to upgrade there receivers.

Yes…. For 2022 … I prefer the current lions receivers to the Pats

St Brown
Chalk
Raymond or Reynolds

How about the Ravens

Brown
Bateman
Duvernay

To

Bourne
Meyers
Agholor

I think your a homer, if you are happy with
Those 3 guys. I don’t mind them on the team, but not as starters

#DaBruins had the Patriots receivers rated higher than Arizona in 2021.

Who would you prefer….

Deandre Hopkins
Christian Kirk
Rondale Moore / AJ Green

Or The Pats receivers ????

 

[TheRainMaker]

Do you believe the nonsense that #DaBruins is pushing, that the Patriots had the 7th best receivers in 2022?

Now that's funny.

Just goes to show you can go far down the rabbit hole for stats to push any narrative. The amount of stats these days are getting ridiculous. Thanks PFF.

 

[PatsFan2]

Which Patriots receiver do you prefer to St Brown?

My point is…., The Patriots need to upgrade there receivers.

Yes…. For 2022 … I prefer the current lions receivers to the Pats

St Brown
Chalk
Raymond or Reynolds

How about the Ravens

Brown
Bateman
Duvernay

To

Bourne
Meyers
Agholor

I think your a homer, if you are happy with
Those 3 guys. I don’t mind them on the team, but not as starters

#DaBruins had the Patriots receivers rated higher than Arizona in 2021.

Who would you prefer….

Deandre Hopkins
Christian Kirk
Rondale Moore / AJ Green

Or The Pats receivers ????

That Beli kool aid would make grandma look like a super model late at night. It distorts one's views.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Which Patriots receiver do you prefer to St Brown?

My point is…., The Patriots need to upgrade there receivers.

Yes…. For 2022 … I prefer the current lions receivers to the Pats

St Brown
Chalk
Raymond or Reynolds

They could be better this year but they didn't have a better overall corp last year. Sure I like St Brown. I had a second on him coming out. But the fact that he's their only good WR makes my case for me. Again good player but comparing what they did as a group last year and it's not close.

That's not my opinion. It's facts if you look at the stats.

How about the Ravens

Brown
Bateman
Duvernay

Same deal as above. Bateman was hurt last year and had like 300-400 yards. Brown wasn't much better than Bourne if at all. Again he had like 160 targets lol. And I like Duvernay, had a 2nd on him coming out but Meyers has been a better pro. Again look the #'s and it's not close in that matchup.

To

Bourne
Meyers
Agholor

I think your a homer, if you are happy with
Those 3 guys. I don’t mind them on the team, but not as starters

I've said 1000 times we need to upgrade eventually but this isn't the worst group in the league. How you're missing that point is beyond me.

#DaBruins had the Patriots receivers rated higher than Arizona in 2021.

Who would you prefer….

Deandre Hopkins
Christian Kirk
Rondale Moore / AJ Green

Or The Pats receivers ????

Arizona if Hop is healthy and playing. Without him they're an average, slightly above average group.

 

[DaBruinz]

Your stats are irrelevant because they do not reflect only the top 3 receivers for each team.

According to those stats … the Patriots had better receivers than the Cardinals in 2021?

You like ….

Meyers
Bourne
Agholor

Over…

DeAndre Hopkins
Christian Kirk
Rondale Moore

I only mentioned the top 3 receivers & your Stats do not reflect only starting receivers

Do you really think the Patriots have the 7th best receivers in the NFL in 2021?

What about 2022?

Do you think the Patriots have the 7th best Starting receivers in 2022?

Agholor
Bourne
Meyers

You happy with these 3, starting for us?
You don’t think we can upgrade these 3?

You started off claiming that the PFF rankings showed the Pats sucked, but couldn't be bothered to post a link. I destroyed that argument by posting the ACTUAL PFF rankings. And you ignored it. Imagine that.

Then you demanded that anyone show you ANY Ranking that showed the Pats receivers to be better than bottom of the barrel. I did that your response was predictable. You claimed it didn't count because it wasn't the same as what you put up.

If my stats are "irrelevent" then so are yours. I showed the entire list of wide receivers for teams from PFF instead of cherry-picking like you did.

And now you're pathetically attempting to change your argument again. Fact is that your argument was complete and utter garbage from the start with. I destroyed it by NOT cherry-picking stats the way you did.

At no point has anyone said that the Pats couldn't upgrade their WR roster. That a false claim by you. Teams can always improve their depth. No one argued against that. But that wasn't what you were claiming. YOU were claiming that the ALL SUCKED. PERIOD. End of story.

 

[DaBruinz]

St Brown is better than any of our current receivers by a wide margin.

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Kendrick Bourne:



Only in your little mind is 90 receptions for 912 yards (10.2 YPR) > 55 receptions for 800 yards (14.5 YPR)

Amon St. Brown did good for being really the ONLY WR the Lions had last year.

Do you believe the nonsense that #DaBruins is pushing, that the Patriots had the 7th best receivers in 2022?

You're a joke. Just goes to show you can't be bothered to READ. I did not say they had the 7th best receivers in 2022. I showed you where they rated based on the PFF stats YOU chose to rely on to begin with. It's not my fault that the site YOU decided to push didn't support your ridiculous claims!

#DaBruins had the Patriots receivers rated higher than Arizona in 2021.

Who would you prefer….

Deandre Hopkins
Christian Kirk
Rondale Moore / AJ Green

Or The Pats receivers ????

LIAR. I didn't have the Patriots rated higher than the Cardinals. That was the SITE YOU referred to. I pulled PREMIUM TEAM STATS from them. I have no control over their ratings.

You should really work on comprehension because trying to blame me for your issues is pretty laughable.