2017 Practice Squad (and visits & workouts)

[maineman209]

Tracking 2017 Patriots practice squad membership and relevant transactions, PLUS recording tryouts/visits of other prospects.
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CURRENT PRACTICE SQUAD (11/10/17):

(signed) POS Player

(9/3) OC James Ferentz
(9/3) WR Cody Hollister
(9/3) DB David Jones
(9/3) DB (st) Damarius Travis
(9/7) DB/KR (st) Jomal Wiltz (waived 9/20; re-signed 9/25)
(9/13) DB Ryan Lewis
(9/22) WR Riley McCarron
(10/12) TE Will Tye
(11/11) DE Grissom (replaced OL Fabiano)
(11/21) WR/KR Bernard Reedy (replaced DT Purcell)

[(11/7) OT Andrew Jelks, NFI > began practicing]
[(10/18) LB Shea McClellin, IR > DtR > season-ending IR (not activated by deadline)]

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PS Transactions:

(originally signed) POS Player (dates released, promoted, re-signed etc.)

(9/3) RB D.J. Foster (POACHED by ARZ, 9/11)
(9/3) DT Darius Kilgo (9/4, WAIVED) (9/8, JAX-ps)
(9/3) LB (ST) Trevor Bates (9/5, WAIVED), NYG-ps as of 10/31
*(9/3) OG Ted Karras (9/7, PROMOTED to replace WR Mitchell [IR-e])
(9/5) OG/OT Willie Beavers (waived, 9/16)
*(9/3) DE/OLB (st) Geneo Grissom (9/22, PROMOTED to replace DT Valentine [IR-e])
... waived from AR 11/9 to make room for TE Bennett claimed off waivers from GBY
(9/4) WR/PR/KR DeMarcus Ayers (waived, 9/23)
(9/18) DB Robert Nelson (waived 9/25), signed to NYJ-ps 9/26; promoted to NYJ-ar 10/24
(9/20) OG Jason King (waived 10/9), BAL-ps as of 10/31
(9/23) QB Taylor Heinicke (waived 10/9)
(10/9) DB Alex Carter (waived 10/12)
(10/9) OG Cole Toner (placed on "Practice Squad IR", 10/12)
(10/12) OLB/DE Trevor Reilly - 10/25 PROMOTED to replace LB Langi -> IR
(10/25) DT Mike Purcell (waived 10/26; re-signed 11/7, replacing Blackson)
(9/4) DT/DE Angelo Blackson - 10/31 POACHED by HOU
(10/26) WR Jake Kumerow (waived 11/9)
(11/9) OC/OG Anthony Fabiano (replaced WR Kumerow), waived 11/11 for Grissom
(10/25) DT Mike Purcell (waived 10/26; re-signed 11/7 replacing Blackson); waived 11/21 Reedy

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Other (semi-relevant) transactions:

2017 Pats players signed elsewhere:
TE O'Shaughnessy (9/3, claimed/JAX)
WR Carr (9/3, claimed/NOL)
OT McDermott (9/3, claimed/BUF)
DB Moore (9/3, claimed/IND)
OG Douglas (9/6, signed/ATL-ps)

2017 IR - released with settlement:
DE/OLB Vereen (June IR -> 9/4 SR, unk.)
DT Hamilton (9/3 IR -> 9/4 SR, 10/30?)(NOL-ps, 10/10)
WR Lucien (9/3 IR -> 9/6 SR, 10/30?), (9/11 -> IND-ps)(IND IR, 9/14)
DT Augusta (9/3 IR -> 9/6 SR, unk.)
DB DJ Killings (9/3 IR -> 9/13 SR, unk.), (signed to PHL-ps 10/3)
TE Matt Lengel (9/3 IR > 9/30 SR, unk.)(CLE-ps, 10/9 promoted to CLE-ar 10/25)

["SR" = settlement release, followed by approximate date of re-signing eligibility based on media reports/rumors.]
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TRYOUTS (and misc. info):

5-Sep DB Jarell Carter ....... 5093/195
5-Sep DB Cody Riggs .......... 5087/187
5-Sep DB Channing Stribling .. 6010/188
5-Sep DB Jomal Wiltz ......... 5092/178 (Pats-PS 9/8; waived 9/20; re-signed 9/25)
5-Sep TE Alex Ellis .......... 6044/253

6-Sep TE Ryan O'Malley ....... 6055/258
6-Sep LB Akeem Ayers ......... 6024/254 (with Pats in 2014; STL [2015]; IND [2016])
6-Sep LB Antwione Williams ... 6026/240
6-Sep LB Nicholas Grigsby .... 6001/220
6-Sep WR Jeremy Ross ......... 5117/209
6-Sep QB Thad Lewis .......... 6004/215

8-Sep QB Matt Barkley ........ 6024/227
8-Sep QB Matt McGloin ........ 6007/207
8-Sep QB David Fales ......... 6015/212
8-Sep WR Marquess Wilson ..... 6025/194 (4.33 shuttle/ 6.65 3-cone)
8-Sep WR Gabe Marks .......... 5106/189 (2017 UDFA, NYJ)
8-Sep WR Jordan Payton ....... 6011/207 (Pick #154, 2016 CLE)

11-Sep LS Taybor Pepper ........ 6042/238
11-Sep P/K Austin Rehkow ..... 6025/214

13-Sep QB Mitch Leidner ..... 6033/226
13-Sep WR Daniel Braverman .... 5097/195
13-Sep WR Tevaun Smith .... 6003/205
13-Sep WR/PR/KR Bryan Walters ... 6011/192
13-Sep RB Jahad Thomas .... 5095/190

18-Sep WR River Cracraft ... 6002/193 (Signed to DEN-ps 10/18)
18-Sep WR Kenny Lawler ...6024/203
18-Sep WR Nelson Spruce ... 6011/206
18-Sep DB Robert Nelson ... 5097/180 (Signed to Pats-ps 9/18; waived 9/25; NYJ-ar 10/24)
18-Sep DE Jonathan Woodard ... 6047/271
18-Sep DL Datone Jones ... 6037/283 (Signed to DET AR 10/10; waived 10/18; signed to SFO-ar 10/24)

22-Sep DE Lamarr Houston 6026/305 (signed to HOU-ar 10/11)
22-Sep WR/KR Corey "Philly" Brown 5113/178
22-Sep WR Tavarres King 6002/189
22-Sep DT Stefan Charles 6040/328

25-Sep OC Gino Gradkowski 6026/305
25-Sep OG Nate Theaker 6045/315
25-Sep OG Earl Watford 6033/300 (Signed to ARZ AR 10/2)
25-Sep DB Harold Jones-Quartey 5107/215 (Signed to NYJ-ps 10/18; waived by NYJ 10/24)

29-Sep LB Austin Calitro 6003/239 (signed to CLE-ps 10/3)
29-Sep LB Cam Johnson 6034/268
29-Sep OC Anthony Fabiano 6036/303 (SIGNED to Pats-ps 11/9)
29-Sep OT Jake Rogers 6056/315
29-Sep OT Victor Salako 6055/316 (signed to CLE-ps 10/25)

9-Oct DB Alex Carter 6001/196 (SIGNED to Pats-ps 10/9; waived 10/12)
9-Oct OG Cole Toner 6052/306 (SIGNED to Pats-ps 10/9; moved to Pats IR 10/12)
9-Oct OT Storm Norton 6072/307
9-Oct DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa 6034/267
9-Oct P Matt Darr 6000/216

11-Oct TE Will Tye 6021/262 (SIGNED to Pats-ps 10/12)
11-Oct TE Evan Baylis 6054/244
11-Oct LB Boseko Lokomobo 6021/229

16-Oct QB Garret Grayson (signed to ATL-ps 10/17)
16-Oct WR Deonte Thompson (signed to BUF AR, 10/17)
16-Oct WR Tim Patrick (signed to DEN-ps 10/21)
16-Oct LB Marcus Rush
16-Oct DE Jhaustin Thomas (signed ot OAK-ps 10/25)

25-Oct WR Jake Kumerow - SIGNED to Pats-ps 10/26; waived 11/9)
25-Oct FB Marquez Williams
26-Oct DT Deandre Coleman

31-Oct LB Jayrone Elliot
31-Oct TE Gabe Holmes

7-Nov DB Lorenzo Jerome
8-Nov LB Zach Vigil

21-Nov WR RJ Shelton
21-Nov LB Darnell Sankey

 

[maineman209]

My personal binkys for the PS from the Pats' own cuts (add up to more than 10, I know):

OG/OC Karras - UNCLAIMED, Signed to PS
RB - Foster - UNCLAIMED, SIGNED TO PS (yay!)
RB - Daniels
WR - Carr - Claimed by NOL
WR - Maye.
WR - C. Hollister - UNCLAIMED, signed to PS
LB/ST Bates - UNCLAIMED, Signed to PS
CB/ST Moore - Claimed by IND
CB/PR Likely
SAF/ST Travis - UNCLAIMED, Signed to PS
DE/ST Grissom - UNCLAIMED, Signed to PS

I haven't really looked at any other team's cuts. Anybody have any binkys from other teams?

 

[patsfan13]

I Like your PS squad other than Bates

 

[patsinthesnow]

Karras has to be good as gone given OL situations across the NFL. He's a second year player with starting experience/versatility.

The Cardinals should pick up Foster. They have absolutely no depth behind the best RB in the league.

Moore is a developmental CB & gunner behind Slater/Jones. I hope he's back. Travis too.

After those four, I don't really see the rest with potential future NFL abilities. Not really that passionate either way for them.

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Other team's cuts:

Tanner Gentry & Kasen Williams are victims to simply not being UDFAs of BB's meritocracy. They are better than a decent amount of WRs still on teams. However, we are loaded with young talent at the position. Pass.

Broncos fans are killing Elway for cutting Sloter & signing Osweiler. Pretty sure he led the AFC in passer rating & looked way better than Lynch. If BB wanted a 3rd developmental QB he'd make sense.

Throw in waiver claims for the best available C/G.

Every spot in the 3-3-5 defense seems pretty set after the Marsh trade. Really just pick up an OL please.

 

[jri37]

I don't see Carr or Lucien making it past the Jets/Bears/9'ers during the waiver process. All 3 of those teams have huge holes in their receiving groups.

 

[mgteich]

An OL or two seems likely, along with one of the front seven defensive players going on IR.

Karras has to be good as gone given OL situations across the NFL. He's a second year player with starting experience/versatility.

The Cardinals should pick up Foster. They have absolutely no depth behind the best RB in the league.

Moore is a developmental CB & gunner behind Slater/Jones. I hope he's back. Travis too.

After those four, I don't really see the rest with potential future NFL abilities. Not really that passionate either way for them.

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Other team's cuts:

Tanner Gentry & Kasen Williams are victims to simply not being UDFAs of BB's meritocracy. They are better than a decent amount of WRs still on teams. However, we are loaded with young talent at the position. Pass.

Broncos fans are killing Elway for cutting Sloter & signing Osweiler. Pretty sure he led the AFC in passer rating & looked way better than Lynch. If BB wanted a 3rd developmental QB he'd make sense.

Throw in waiver claims for the best available C/G.

Every spot in the 3-3-5 defense seems pretty set after the Marsh trade. Really just pick up an OL please.

 

[TeamFirst]

For keeping track of the construction of the Pats PS, as well as to track which Pats' roster cuts are claimed/"appropriated" by other teams .....

It's difficult to project what the positional distribution will be on the Pats' PS, but it seems safe to say that there will be at least a couple-three soild special teamers from the defensive side and that the total number of OL between the 53-man and the PS will likely equal 10 or more - for scout team purposes, at least.

Just a reminder, the following Pats' roster cuts were WAIVED/INJURED. If unclaimed, they'll revert to season-ending IR unless they agree to a settlement. Either way, they won't be eligible for the Pats' PS - at least not until after their settlement period + six weeks.

WR Lucien
CB Killings
DT Hamilton
DT Augusta

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but Lucien was released due to Injury and if he isn't claimed he would go on IR is that correct?

 

[Dragda]

I think once the IR designations come down we will add either Karras or Bolden to the 53. Maybe both. The problem is that Karras is exposed and probably won't be there. Also won't be there all season on the PS. Somebody will snap him up.

BB has stated you can always find guards. Our roster hasn't always lived up to that philosophy.

 

[mgteich]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but Lucien was released due to Injury and if he isn't claimed he would go on IR is that correct?

yes, unless they agree to an injury settlement

 

[maineman209]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but Lucien was released due to Injury and if he isn't claimed he would go on IR is that correct?

As is noted in the original post.

 

[jmt57]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but Lucien was released due to Injury and if he isn't claimed he would go on IR is that correct?

He would go on Injured Reserve, ending his season.

At that point if the two sides agreed to an injury settlement, he could get paid and be released. The injury settlement is based on how long the player would have been expected to be out with his injury. The injury settlement is a pro-rated amount of his contract, based on the number of weeks he would have been out.

If I recall correctly a player that receives an injury settlement cannot re-sign with that team (even for the practice squad) for the amount of time described above. For example, if Lucien's hypothetical injury settlement was based on his having an injury that would last four weeks, then he would not be able to re-sign with the Pats until week five. On the other hand, he could sign with any of the 31 other teams during the first four weeks.

edit: as noted two posts below, a player cannot sign for the period of time for their injury settlement, PLUS six weeks. In the scenario above Lucien could not re-sign with the Patriots until week 11.

 

[maineman209]

I think once the IR designations come down we will add either Karras or Bolden to the 53. Maybe both. The problem is that Karras is exposed and probably won't be there. Also won't be there all season on the PS. Somebody will snap him up.

BB has stated you can always find guards. Our roster hasn't always lived up to that philosophy.

Signing players off a practice squad isn't like making a waiver claim. A team has to make an offer to a player on a PS, and the player has the right to refuse that offer and stay put. If Karras makes it to the Pats PS, I'm guessing that the Pats will pay him at the same rate he'd earn if he was on the 53-man to try to prevent him from being lured away by another team.

 

[maineman209]

He would go on Injured Reserve, ending his season.

At that point if the two sides agreed to an injury settlement, he could get paid and be released. The injury settlement is based on how long the player would have been expected to be out with his injury. The injury settlement is a pro-rated amount of his contract, based on the number of weeks he would have been out.

If I recall correctly a player that receives an injury settlement cannot re-sign with that team (even for the practice squad) for the amount of time described above. For example, if Lucien's hypothetical injury settlement was based on his having an injury that would last four weeks, then he would not be able to re-sign with the Pats until week five. On the other hand, he could sign with any of the 31 other teams during the first four weeks.

It's actually the settlement period PLUS six weeks. A player with a four-week settlement couldn't be re-signed until after week-10.

EDIT: Miguel (patscap) has graciously corrected me ...

The post-settlement wait period was reduced from SIX weeks to THREE WEEKS this year. So, a player with a four-week settlement would be eligible for re-signing after only 7 weeks, not 10.

 

[mgteich]

Agreed.

In this situation, Karras can decide whether to go to a team who wants him as part of their roster, or stay on a team that wants him as part of their practice squad.

Signing players off a practice squad isn't like making a waiver claim. A team has to make an offer to a player on a PS, and the player has the right to refuse that offer and stay put. If Karras makes it to the Pats PS, I'm guessing that the Pats will pay him at the same rate he'd earn if he was on the 53-man to try to prevent him from being lured away by another team.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't see Carr or Lucien making it past the Jets/Bears/9'ers during the waiver process. All 3 of those teams have huge holes in their receiving groups.

There are better players available to those teams than carr and Lucien and Lucien is injured.

 

[maineman209]

I Like your PS squad other than Bates

He was pretty good on ST during the pre-season, and he was on the scout team last season, so he knows the routine.

 

[patchick]

Broncos fans are killing Elway for cutting Sloter & signing Osweiler. Pretty sure he led the AFC in passer rating & looked way better than Lynch. If BB wanted a 3rd developmental QB he'd make sense.

A quarterback on the PS does seem like a priority now, I'm curious to hear other names. (Also, with Jules down who's the emergency QB?)

Every spot in the 3-3-5 defense seems pretty set after the Marsh trade. Really just pick up an OL please.

Agreed, with the proviso that an upgrade at reserve SS wouldn't go amiss.

 

[Miguel]

It's actually the settlement period PLUS six weeks. A player with a four-week settlement couldn't be re-signed until after week-10.

It was changed to 3 weeks this year.

 

[jri37]

There are better players available to those teams than carr and Lucien and Lucien is injured.

Maybe but if you're one of those teams you are looking at developing young WR's Carr and Lucien fit the bill. Did Lucien get released with an injury settlement or just outright? I could see a guy like Braverman perhaps making it through waivers. I guess we'll see by noontime.

 

[maineman209]

It was changed to 3 weeks this year.

Thanks! I hadn't heard that.