2017 NFL Combine Thread

[WaterfallJumper]

Blown away by Wilson's time. I thought he would be a 4.3 player. He's so quick on tape. I feel really bad for him.

 

[DaBruinz]

Just watching him now. First game against Texas and very impressive. Love how he gets his hands up into the passing lane, as I'm sure will BB. Would make for a very good Nink replacement in the future. Can also see him in the Van Noy role.

That is what immediately popped into my head when I looked at his stats.. Nink replacement.. As long as he can set the edge, he'd be perfect..

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

Thought we would go at least two pages before Obi went from underrated to overrated, but here we are.

 

[manxman2601]

That is what immediately popped into my head when I looked at his stats.. Nink replacement.. As long as he can set the edge, he'd be perfect..

He can.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Thought we would go at least two pages before Obi went from underrated to overrated, but here we are.

I don't like a lot of things about his game at safety. Put him at WILL, or as a matchup press corner? That size, speed, and explosion is exceptionally rare. I don't think he's a polished football player, but the potential is off the charts.

 

[manxman2601]

I don't like a lot of things about his game at safety. Put him at WILL, or as a matchup press corner? That size, speed, and explosion is exceptionally rare. I don't think he's a polished football player, but the potential is off the charts.

Versatility is the key to Melifonwu. Might not excel anywhere but he can play all over the place. Match up guy.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

I don't like a lot of things about his game at safety. Put him at WILL, or as a matchup press corner? That size, speed, and explosion is exceptionally rare. I don't think he's a polished football player, but the potential is off the charts.

I am right with you, I just find the conversation funny. This is all stuff we have been saying for a few months now. Lots to like, lots to work on, but the potential in our defense is special.

I am not calling anyone out either, cause what he's doing today is out of this world. Going from excited, to blown away, to YA BUT!!! Is the definition of the Twitter world we live in.

 

[DaBruinz]

I don't know if anyone remembers that Packer fan on some forum that had a formula for twitch and explosive power and then dividing into risk groups. Anyway, a few years ago I wrote a script that does the calculations. I don't know if anyone cares, but this is how it breaks down this year (with the prospects that participated in all the drills required).



Also, fun fact: Vincent Valentine was in Low Risk 2 in last year's draft.

EDIT: Added Myles Garrett.

Cool Chart.. If I might make a suggestion. Add in a Column where you list the 3-Cone. Also, Explain how Twitch and Power are determined so that it's an easier quick reference.

 

[manxman2601]

 

[DaBruinz]

For the explosive power stat, he would have been better off being shorter, heavier, or jumping higher or longer. You can make him get inte Low Risk 2 by tweaking his numbers slightly. By just changing one of these stats separately he gets in:

If he was 3 inches shorter, he weighed in at 264 lbs., he had jumped a 11'2" broad, or a 42" vertical. Any one of those gets him into Low Risk 2, so his numbers are just slightly too low.

As far as the twitch stat goes, it penalizes fast 10 yard splits, and high short shuttles. So if he had say a 1.59 split instead, or a 4.23 short shuttle, his twitch would have been 1.09 and he with his 3 cone time he would have placed in Low Risk 1 instead.

EDIT: Also, he isn't in the sheet, but Myles Garrett is firmly in Low Risk 2 (1.05 or higher explosive power score) with a score of 1.1141.

Why does twitch penalize fast 10 yard splits? Particularly for D-linemen where that is their bread and butter? And, according to FRS, Willis' 1st 10 yard split was 1.58..

 

[manxman2601]

Kevin King had a 39.5" VJ.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Why does twitch penalize fast 10 yard splits? Particularly for D-linemen where that is their bread and butter? And, according to FRS, Willis' 1st 10 yard split was 1.58..

I think the idea is that if you are really quick in a 10 yard area, but then you are slow in a short shuttle, then the difference is the amount of time required to gear down and change directions. I'm not sure it's a great way to input the metrics, though.

That said, Willis has some serious troubles with redirection when you watch him on the field. I think he can improve, but so often I just see him with linear speed and power, and not enough fluidity.

 

[fightingirish595]

Cooper Kupp ran a 4.08 shuttle and a 6.73 3-cone. He's locked himself in as a slot receiver. A disappointing forty, but the rest of those times are very good.

Kupp is going on the binky list. I see big things

 

[Husse]

Cool Chart.. If I might make a suggestion. Add in a Column where you list the 3-Cone. Also, Explain how Twitch and Power are determined so that it's an easier quick reference.

Done.

Why does twitch penalize fast 10 yard splits? Particularly for D-linemen where that is their bread and butter? And, according to FRS, Willis' 1st 10 yard split was 1.58..

I didn't make the formulas, so I'm not completely sure. But if I had to guess, it's meant to penalize straight line athletes that can't stop and change direction. Meaning once they commit to a move they can't transition to another. Although that really doesn't matter if you can win with your first move.

Also, I used 2017 NFL Scouting Combine Results Tracker - Steelers Depot for all the measurements.

 

[fightingirish595]

Anyone see that receiver from Syracuse work out? I heard he looked bad and didn't look like a natural football player

 

[manxman2601]

Akhello Witherspoon had a 40.5" vert.

 

[manxman2601]

Anyone see that receiver from Syracuse work out? I heard he looked bad and didn't look like a natural football player

I wasn't watching closely but he did nothing to stand out from a positive standpoint.

 

[Husse]

Every year I'm disappointed with the video coverage because they insist on showing as little of the position drills as they can get away with...

 

[fightingirish595]

Wish we could get a stat to see how fast guys run the last 25 or 30 yards of there 40

 

[Husse]

Wish we could get a stat to see how fast guys run the last 25 or 30 yards of there 40

I mean, they have a 10 yard split. So you can just take the 40 time minus the 10 yard split to get the time for the last 30 yards.