PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

2012 Strength of Schedule(SOS) Toughest:Giants Weakest:Pats

Status
Not open for further replies.
The AFC Champions with the easiest schedule?

They're gonna call it EasySchedgate

Goodell is found involved as a secretive Patriots fan
 
Virtually by definition, the Patriots' schedule is the toughest in the division.

The Patriots played 8 games in 2011 against teams we'll also play in 2012. The record of our opponents in those 2011 games was 1-7. One of the reasons why our opponents' schedule is rated so hard is because they play us, and one of the reasons why our schedule is so easy is because we play them. This statistic is for losers.

You lost me at virtually.............If i was wearing a hat i would tip my hat to your in-depth analysis ..........:rocker::rocker:
 
Virtually by definition, the Patriots' schedule is the toughest in the division. This strength of schedule calculation is faulty because it factors in the Patriots' own record when making the calculations. For explanation, the ranking is based on the number of wins that your 16 opponents had in 2011. The Patriots' opponents had 116 wins, lowest in the league. The Jets' opponents had 126 and the Dolphins' opponents had 127. But in each case, 26 of those "opponent" wins were the Patriots' wins.

The Patriots played 8 games in 2011 against teams we'll also play in 2012. The record of our opponents in those 2011 games was 1-7. One of the reasons why our opponents' schedule is rated so hard is because they play us, and one of the reasons why our schedule is so easy is because we play them. This statistic is for losers.

The statistic is fine. Like most statistics, you have to look at a bigger picture than just the single statistic, that's all.
 
The statistic is fine. Like most statistics, you have to look at a bigger picture than just the single statistic, that's all.

I work in a quantitative profession. We have a saying ...

Statistics are like bikinis. What they conceal is far more interesting than what they reveal.
 
Definitely agree that it's nearly impossible to predict how hard or easy the schedule will be right now.

That said, at worst it looks like a schedule this team can exploit, similar to 2011. Some prefer being battle tested, but getting a 1st round bye and affording to be ultra conservative with your injuries is something I prefer.
 
Last season, I suggested that the Pats might have three of the four best QBs in the division, and was roundly criticized.

Now. . . .

Interesting point. Brady, Hoyer and Mallett vs Sanchez & Tebow, Fitzpatrick & Thigpen, and Matt Moore.

It is arguable that there are two starters and six backups in that list. Fitzpatrick is the real deal and if he had not been hurt for the final seven games of 2011, he would have had a stellar season.

Sanchez will be made worse by the Tebow insanity, and Matt Moore might have been a solid starter but got caught in the wash of expansion in Houston and chaos in Miami.

So how do you rank Mallett and Hoyer in that group? Who knows, really, but the division is the weakest I can remember it ever being.
 
sorry but this is one of the most meaningful stats, that only gets clearer as the games begin. The more teams you play that have a winning record the less likely your team will make the playoffs. Teams usually don't change that much.

i think one of the Pats teams is the team with the most wins against teams with winning records in NFL history.

Usually the Pats have had one of the hardest schedules in the NFL year after year.
 
A certain segment gets up at arms annually over one team having an 'easy' schedule and another a 'tough' schedule, but it's rather simple to explain. A 14-2 team doesn't have to play themselves and their 14-2 record twice a year, but the last place team in the same division does. Conversely that team that finished with the better record benefits by playing a 6-10 team twice, but that that last place team does not have themselves on their schedule.

Compare two teams head to head and remove the records of the games they play against each other and look at how much the picture changes; in this case consider the Dolphins and the Pats. The standard SoS has Miami at 127-129 (.496) and the Pats at 116-140 (.453). Remove the games they faced each other and now the Dolphins are 99-125 (.442) and the Patriots are 104-120 (.464); Miami goes from 43 percentage points 'tougher' to 22 percentage points 'easier', a net swing of 65 percentage points!

In my opinion the whole strength of schedule discussion is way over analyzed and given far too much importance. Remember how much talk their was on a daily basis of the schedule the Pats and Ravens each had in the week prior to their playoff game? Did it have any factor at all in the outcome of that game? Of course not.

Historical analysis will likely show there is little or no correlation between strength of schedule and predicting outcomes of future games, but the media keeps bringing it up because many fans try to use it as evidence that their team is somehow superior than another team, or that their rival is not as good as they appear to be.
 
A certain segment gets up at arms annually over one team having an 'easy' schedule and another a 'tough' schedule, but it's rather simple to explain. A 14-2 team doesn't have to play themselves and their 14-2 record twice a year, but the last place team in the same division does. Conversely that team that finished with the better record benefits by playing a 6-10 team twice, but that that last place team does not have themselves on their schedule.

Compare two teams head to head and remove the records of the games they play against each other and look at how much the picture changes; in this case consider the Dolphins and the Pats. The standard SoS has Miami at 127-129 (.496) and the Pats at 116-140 (.453). Remove the games they faced each other and now the Dolphins are 99-125 (.442) and the Patriots are 104-120 (.464); Miami goes from 43 percentage points 'tougher' to 22 percentage points 'easier', a net swing of 65 percentage points!

In my opinion the whole strength of schedule discussion is way over analyzed and given far too much importance. Remember how much talk their was on a daily basis of the schedule the Pats and Ravens each had in the week prior to their playoff game? Did it have any factor at all in the outcome of that game? Of course not.

Historical analysis will likely show there is little or no correlation between strength of schedule and predicting outcomes of future games, but the media keeps bringing it up because many fans try to use it as evidence that their team is somehow superior than another team, or that their rival is not as good as they appear to be.

The Patriots went 11-5 in 2008 because they had an easy schedule. The idea that SOS doesn't matter is simply not true. It's not a perfect stat (games against each other being a good example of one of the problems), but don't kid yourself. You'd rather face the Rams than the Packers next season.
 
Compare two teams head to head and remove the records of the games they play against each other and look at how much the picture changes; in this case consider the Dolphins and the Pats. The standard SoS has Miami at 127-129 (.496) and the Pats at 116-140 (.453). Remove the games they faced each other and now the Dolphins are 99-125 (.442) and the Patriots are 104-120 (.464); Miami goes from 43 percentage points 'tougher' to 22 percentage points 'easier', a net swing of 65 percentage points!

[math geek]
I think you mean 43 basis points, or 4.3 percentage points.
[/math geek]
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
MORSE: Patriots Prospects and 30 Visits
Patriots News 04-19, Countdown To Draft Day
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 6 – A Week Before the Draft
TRANSCRIPT: Eliot Wolf Pre-Draft Press Conference 4/13
Patriots News 04-12, What To Watch For In The NFL Draft
MORSE: Pre-Draft Patriots News and Notes
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 5
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 5
Mark Morse
2 weeks ago
Patriots Part Ways with Another Linebacker as Offseason Roster Shake-Up Continues
Patriots News 04-05, Mock Draft 2.0, Patriots Look For OL Depth
MORSE: 18 Game Schedule and Other Patriots Notes
Back
Top