2 bad challenges, and the most unimaganitve 2nd half...

[Rob0729]

Rob, these concerns really need to be addressed and are going to come into the forefront if they happen again next week. Was it a win? Damn right. And I'm extremely happy for that. As a matter of fact, we should have won 31-7. However, there are issues with our team in the second half. There have been all season. Today it was the offense. If these issues keep continuing, we are not going to last long in the postseason. Believe me when I say that Drew Brees is not going to bail our stagnant second half offense out next Monday like Mark Sanchez did today.

However, like I said, I'm going to relay most of these issues to the offensive line being banged up since many of our drives ending were purely the result of turnstile blocking against the Jets defense. I think that once our offense gets healthy, our offense will be able to sustain more drives in the second half of games. However, you still have to account for the terrible play calling (like the two QB sneaks in a row a yard out from the end zone) and the boneheaded penalties (like the two delay of games in our own stadium).

For what it's worth, though, I have full faith in these issues being fixed.

Yes, the Pats have concerns that need to be fixed. But the sky is falling attitude some people have is unwarranted (not including you). There is no one playing consistent dominant football in the NFL and most the teams in the NFL including many of the Pats' playoff competition have far more concerns than the Pats.

 

[The Dynasty]

I'm sorry man, but Im gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here. When we build a lead like that, there is no reason why we have to come out in the 2nd half with the gameplan being running out the clock and hanging onto a win. You go out there, grab the team by the throat, and kick em while they are down. And no, Im not talking about bringing in Haynesworth.

Look, you've already picked off Sanchez multiple times, what better way to get that team more unbalanced? You go for the throat, you gain a larger lead, and you have the opposition gunning it with everything they've got through the air. We have the personnel to do this. However, we do not have the personnel to run out the clock by pounding the ball. Slants? Maybe. Sure we can do that, but that requires routes being ran that aren't short of the first down. That seems to be all we do lately.

I agree with what you're saying to a point. Yes we shouldnt just sit back and run the ball and just try and run out the clock and hang on to a win, but what do you mean by "go for the throat"? You mean score and try and put the game out of reach. We cant take chances down the field because we have no one to do that with, Revis takes that away with Moss and none of our other WR's have that capibility. Our WR's strengths is running slants over the middle that get us 1st downs. You have to play with what we have and we dont have that dominant running game or deep threat WR besides Moss.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I just got home from the game. If you would like me to change the thread title to "The Official: I can't be happy unless I'm unhappy thread", please let me know.

 

[HarkDawg]

Jeez, on a day where the Steelers lost to the Chiefs and the Bengals lost to the Raiders, people are getting upset about a 17 point win over the Jets.

The Jets are 4-6, but they have lost most of their games in the final minutes and played their competition tight all the way down to the wire. Today's game was the Jets biggest margin of defeat all season. No team has come close to beating them by 17 points other than the Saints who beat them by 14.

Yes, there are areas to be concerned about, but this team dominated a division competitor for most of the game after a very emotional loss and a shorten week (at least a bit).

The Pats have concerns that need to be addressed, but name me one team that doesn't in this league. For a while now, the Colts are getting beat by their competition, but have been able to stay in the game and pull it off in the end. The Saints are getting more and more beat up in injury and are running out of secondary players. The NFC East is the Jeckyl and Hyde division. Denver is falling fast. Cincy beat the Steelers and then lose to the Raiders. The Steelers are not a good team without Polumalu. San Deigo is doing well right now, but have struggled too. Minnesota is pinning all their hopes on a 40 year old QB who has gotten banged up or slowed down late in the season in recent years and typically crumbles in the playoffs.

Please someone tell me what team is playing dominant football and has no weakness that could seriously come back and bit them down the road this season. Even with last week's loss, the Pats are playing as good of football as virtually anyone in the league.

well said ROB..... but I am more appreciative than pessimistic in this win

We played well and dominated for the most part.... only AREA of concern was w/ our INJURED O-LINE Like my man VOLLMER........ if the O-LINE stays HeLTHY..... nothing LIMITS THIS pats TEAM..... who is GREAT IMO....



PATS look good.... they just neeed to StAY hEALTHY....

 

[Rob0729]

I just got home from the game. If you would like me to change the thread title to "The Official: I can't be happy unless I'm unhappy thread", please let me know.

I was thinking "The Pats really lost in a win" thread, but your's is just as good.

 

[Frezo]

I just got home from the game. If you would like me to change the thread title to "The Official: I can't be happy unless I'm unhappy thread", please let me know.

Perfect! Now tell us about the LeVoir hit. Did you actually hear it?

 

[mcgraw_wv]

I just got home from the game. If you would like me to change the thread title to "The Official: I can't be happy unless I'm unhappy thread", please let me know.

So you think that Second Half performance was fine and dandy? No worries with the lethargic performance, at home, against a piss poor team? No worries of BAD challenges, clock management, wasting timeouts?

Ahhh your right, we can beat them all playing like that... no worries... my bad.

 

[Kontradiction]

Perfect! Now tell us about the LeVoir hit. Did you actually hear it?

I think you're referring to the McGowan hit.

 

[Rob0729]

So you think that Second Half performance was fine and dandy? No worries with the lethargic performance, at home, against a piss poor team?

Ahhh your right, we can beat them all playing like that... no worries... my bad.

It's a concern, but the Jets never cut the Pats' lead less than 10 points. The Pats' defense gave up one TD all game which is very good even against a bad team. Going into this game, the Jets averaged scoring 21.3 PPG.

Let's not blow the second half out of proportion. The Jets were never close to legitimately threatening the Pats' lead and the Pats weren't trying to go for the throat.

There is a difference between recognizing there is work needed to be addressed and acting like the sky is falling.

 

[Kontradiction]

It's a concern, but the Jets never cut the Pats' lead less than 10 points. The Pats' defense gave up one TD all game which is very good even against a bad team. Going into this game, the Jets averaged scoring 21.3 PPG.

Let's not blow the second half out of proportion. The Jets were never close to legitimately threatening the Pats' lead and the Pats weren't trying to go for the throat.

There is a difference between recognizing there is work needed to be addressed and acting like the sky is falling.

I'm sure that's something that BB will be addressing this week considering his, "don't tell me about a lead in this league" approach. Sincerely hope Light and Neal return this week. They will make one helluva difference in this offense.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Okay, some of the responses bashing on people criticizing the team in the second half are a bit overblown. Dont make it out that a group of us are freaking out, not happy about the win, and think the sky is falling. Most of us have stated already that we are happy with a win, but that being said, we are also a bit concerned about some issues. To all of you guys claiming that people are unhappy, no ones excited blah blah blah, dont blow what we are saying out of proportion.

If you've got nothing to say to contribute to this post with the complaints being aired as the OP meant it, then please do us all a favor, and leave this post alone.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

The game reminded me of the Dolphins-Pats matchup in 2007 where the Pats won 28-7 at Gillette. The Pats got out to a big lead but took the gas off the pedal, struggled on offense and relied on the Dolphins to just go away in the 2nd half.

 

[The Dynasty]

You can't stick your head in the sand and pretend the issues that the Pats have showed this year didn't show up once again.

Everyone's gripe regarding our offense in the second half has very good merits.

The Jets are a bad team. You say we got dominated in week 2 by them? That game was played by two teams that do not resemble the teams that you saw today. The Jets have been playing terrible and we are playing way better in comparison to week 2.

Its an issue that can be corrected. Look, we won by 17 points and both the Bengals and Steelers lost today. This should be a positive day for us.

Look at what we are working with. Neal and Light were out today as well as Morris and Taylor. That will greatly improve our running game as well as protecting Brady. I think getting these 4 players back will definitely help our inability to have long sustained drives in the 2nd half.

The Jets have some improving to do, but we cannot help who is on our schedule. You show up and play whoever is on the schedule for that week. We beat the team that was on our schedule and to be quite honest we dominated them in all phases of the game.

 

[PatsChamp88]

Yeah this game was definitly frustrating at times in the second half, but it wasn't a complete melt down. I'll take a win over the jets any-day-of-the-week no matter how it happens. Sorry folks this isn't 2007 which set the bar rediculously high (aka the new standard) its 2009 lets learn from our mistakes and move onto the next game!

 

[PWRxWLF]

It's a concern, but the Jets never cut the Pats' lead less than 10 points. The Pats' defense gave up one TD all game which is very good even against a bad team. Going into this game, the Jets averaged scoring 21.3 PPG.

Let's not blow the second half out of proportion. The Jets were never close to legitimately threatening the Pats' lead and the Pats weren't trying to go for the throat.

There is a difference between recognizing there is work needed to be addressed and acting like the sky is falling.

You are flat out wrong in too many ways here Rob. We aren't criticizing just this one game. We are criticizing all of the games, and all of the teams short comings. Just like you think we are acting like the sky is falling, I feel as though you are failing to see the picture.

If you think the Pats are going anywhere in the playoffs if these miscues and failures to adjust playcalling and time management, then sir, I want what you are smoking.

 

[Rob0729]

I'm sure that's something that BB will be addressing this week considering his, "don't tell me about a lead in this league" approach. Sincerely hope Light and Neal return this week. They will make one helluva difference in this offense.

Well, as you pointed out, they were really banged up on the o-line and the Jets loaded up to get Brady (Brady was getting hit a lot after the throw). You don't want to risk Brady's health for consistently trying to go for longer passes.

If the Pats continue to struggle in the second half of games where they don't have decisive leads, then we can start really press the panic button. The Pats were up by 24 until the last minute of the first half with the Jets only getting 34 yards in the first half. There was little fear the Jets had the fire power to overcome a 17 point deficit.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Perfect! Now tell us about the LeVoir hit. Did you actually hear it?

Yup. I assume that you are talking about the hit on the Kickoff.

Now as far as BB was throwing the challenge flag. Everyone in our section was calling for him to do it. That guy did not have control of his bodily functions, never mind the ball. But I guess his knee was down before the rest of his body gave out.

I'm glad he was not seriously hurt.

 

[Rob0729]

Okay, some of the responses bashing on people criticizing the team in the second half are a bit overblown. Dont make it out that a group of us are freaking out, not happy about the win, and think the sky is falling. Most of us have stated already that we are happy with a win, but that being said, we are also a bit concerned about some issues. To all of you guys claiming that people are unhappy, no ones excited blah blah blah, dont blow what we are saying out of proportion.

If you've got nothing to say to contribute to this post with the complaints being aired as the OP meant it, then please do us all a favor, and leave this post alone.

In 2003, the Pats' offense had serious problem staying on the field and converting 3rd downs. In fact, the Pats had the worst 3rd down conversion percentage of Brady's career that year. They found ways around it.

Some of you are making a far bigger deal and acting like the sky is falling. The Pats won and won decisively today. They were never in serious danger of losing the lead. The defense stopped the Jets on every drive other than one. The offense took their foot off the pedal a bit, but it was partially because their o-line was decimated.

BTW, if the Pats didn't get a punt blocked for a TD, this game wouldn't have even been remotely interesting in the second half.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Yup. I assume that you are talking about the hit on the Kickoff.

Now as far as BB was throwing the challenge flag. Everyone in our section was calling for him to do it. That guy did not have control of his bodily functions, never mind the ball. But I guess his knee was down before the rest body gave out.

I'm glad he was not seriously hurt.

Ya, that was a pretty nasty collison. Boy that Mcgowan can bring it. I really envy you. Its gotta be nice to watch these games live. The whole atmosphere has to be electric.

 

[PatsChamp88]

Yup. I assume that you are talking about the hit on the Kickoff.

Now as far as BB was throwing the challenge flag. Everyone in our section was calling for him to do it. That guy did not have control of his bodily functions, never mind the ball. But I guess his knee was down before the rest body gave out.

I'm glad he was not seriously hurt.

I think the hits hes talking about was on a screen play or run? where LeVoir blew up a jets DB...can't think of the play someone will correct me