1st round WRs?

[manxman2601]

I think that we would need another TE at 64 or 73. There should be value there.

Personally, I think if you play Hakeem Butler in the slot, he’s almost like a receiving TE anyway. What is a receiving TE anyway but a big slot that creates mismatches?

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Personally, I think if you play Hakeem Butler in the slot, he’s almost like a receiving TE anyway. What is a receiving TE anyway but a big slot that creates mismatches?

He did very well out of the slot last season. While he's a prototypical X, he's too fast for any LB to cover, and way too big for most safeties. It's the Gronk dilemma all over again.

 

[manxman2601]

He did very well out of the slot last season. While he's a prototypical X, he's too fast for any LB to cover, and way too big for most safeties. It's the Gronk dilemma all over again.

Exactly. And he can still play the X like Mike Evans too. I can see some team taking him in the first round.

 

[sircole]

Personally, I think if you play Hakeem Butler in the slot, he’s almost like a receiving TE anyway. What is a receiving TE anyway but a big slot that creates mismatches?

I wish I felt the same about Hakeem Butler as you and reamer do, but I do not. However, I do think some of the pass-catching emphasis from the TE position could be lessened with a bigger receiver playing in the slot.

 

[manxman2601]

I wish I felt the same about Hakeem Butler as you and reamer do, but I do not. However, I do think some of the pass-catching emphasis from the TE position could be lessened with a bigger receiver playing in the slot.

Don’t get me wrong, I recognise the concerns. I particularly wished he’d utilise his length advantage more consistently. But, I do think mismatches help you win in the NFL and there aren’t many that offer that more than Butler. I’d still rather have AJ Brown.

 

[JerseyShore99]

Glad we're all on the same page

 

[manxman2601]

Does this comp work for you?

Hakeem Butler

6-5, 220, 10.25 hands
4.48 forty, 1.39 10 split
7.09 3-cone
36 vj, 128” bj

Jon Baldwin

6-4, 228, 10” hands
4.49 forty, 1.58 split
7.07 3-cone
42 vj, 129” bj

I only ask because of the Bill Belichick/Julio Jones thing. Obviously BB got that wrong, but maybe he might see lightning striking twice. I must admit I don’t think I saw Baldwin play so he might be completely different on film to Butler but I thought I’d leave you with the comp.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Does this comp work for you?

Hakeem Butler

6-5, 220, 10.25 hands
4.48 forty, 1.39 10 split
7.09 3-cone
36 vj, 128” bj

Jon Baldwin

6-4, 228, 10” hands
4.49 forty, 1.58 split
7.07 3-cone
42 vj, 129” bj

I only ask because of the Bill Belichick/Julio Jones thing. Obviously BB got that wrong, but maybe he might see lightning striking twice. I must admit I don’t think I saw Baldwin play so he might be completely different on film to Butler but I thought I’d leave you with the comp.

The radio guys put butler in the boom or bust category,

 

[manxman2601]

The radio guys put butler in the boom or bust category,

I think that’s probably true. I’m torn on him. I think the boom could be terrific but he does scare me.

 

[mgteich]

hmm

That's what I would expect from a patriot WR picked at 32. If we want safer, we would trade win first, or just draft TE Smith and be safe.

The radio guys put butler in the boom or bust category,

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Does this comp work for you?

Hakeem Butler

6-5, 220, 10.25 hands
4.48 forty, 1.39 10 split
7.09 3-cone
36 vj, 128” bj

Jon Baldwin

6-4, 228, 10” hands
4.49 forty, 1.58 split
7.07 3-cone
42 vj, 129” bj

I only ask because of the Bill Belichick/Julio Jones thing. Obviously BB got that wrong, but maybe he might see lightning striking twice. I must admit I don’t think I saw Baldwin play so he might be completely different on film to Butler but I thought I’d leave you with the comp.

Butler looks quicker on film and produced better YAC. Baldwin had possibly the most dominant single game I've ever seen from a WR though (or so I thought at the time; I'm probably misremembering).