Bruschi finds saying good bye is tough

IcyPatriot · Mar 31, 2006

Good read by Felger...and I hope the media picks up that McGinest was shopping himself around sometime last season. I posted this under a Vinatieri thread here somewhere, it was told to me as (locker room talk). Perhaps with the teams blessing??? Sounds like tampering to me though...even though it won't go anywhere...but the media needs to report truthfully, as opposed to making it look like Willie was cast aside like a used ball.

http://www.milforddailynews.com/sportsNews/view.bg?articleid=89042

Defensive end Ty Warren and guard Stephen Neal also met with the media, with Warren saying that McGinest dropped hints about leaving soon after the playoff loss in Denver and Neal acknowledging that the Pats' offer (four years, $10 million, $3.5 million bonus) was competitive with the others he received on the open market. It's all about the business of free agency, something Bruschi still fights.

Pats726 · Mar 31, 2006

I agree about the WIllie part..funny that Felger doesn't at all play that part up at all...(doesn't fit in with his theory..it's a wonder it's even in there...) He was talking last night and on the radio about disappointment of the players leaving but as usual going the Borges road..wondering about players leaving as well..saying something is amiss here Typical Felger. Tampering?? Just another sort of thing that goes on and the NFL ignores...

Willie55 · Mar 31, 2006

"I see and I know the business aspect, but I still don't want to look at that because I don't think this is a real job, to tell you the truth," he said. "All we're doing is playing football. There are a lot of financial implications, but come on, I haven't had a real job since I stacked Budweiser back in college. My neighbor teaches Kindergarten. That's a real job. This is just having fun if you ask me."

This is why we all love Tedy. He gets it. Too bad not more pro atheletes weren't like this.

Miguel · Mar 31, 2006

F.B.N. said:
Good read by Felger...and I hope the media picks up that McGinest was shopping himself around sometime last season.
http://www.milforddailynews.com/sportsNews/view.bg?articleid=89042

Nowhere in the posted article does it say that Willie was shopping himself around sometime last season. Did Felger say that on the radio??

IcyPatriot · Mar 31, 2006

Miguel said:
Nowhere in the posted article does it say that Willie was shopping himself around sometime last season. Did Felger say that on the radio??

He slips it in there Miguel. I posted it under a Vinatieri thread Monday night as I had heard it from a friend who is in direct contact with a member of the team. It is locker room talk, not some rumor obtained from a media hack. So, I posted then that it will come out in time that Willie knew he was gone as early as midseason of last year, this mention begins it because it will get bigger.
Felger slips it in there extremely casually. I make the point of saying it is not known if Willie was allowed to do this with a wink-wink. But it absolutely has a very good amount of credibility to it. More was told to me but I only posted what I knew would come out eventually. It's never been my style in my 5+ years here to post anything that even hints of a lie or innuendo.

#5 in the thread: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?p=68464#post68464

marty · Mar 31, 2006

F.B.N. said:
Good read by Felger...and I hope the media picks up that McGinest was shopping himself around sometime last season. I posted this under a Vinatieri thread here somewhere, it was told to me as (locker room talk). Perhaps with the teams blessing??? Sounds like tampering to me though...even though it won't go anywhere...but the media needs to report truthfully, as opposed to making it look like Willie was cast aside like a used ball.

http://www.milforddailynews.com/sportsNews/view.bg?articleid=89042

My first thought when I read this Felger piece this morning, was the same. I guess Willie was playing the PR game when he said he wanted to stay. This is what disappoints. If he'd been more honest, he would have said that he was taking the opportunity to cash in and play within a "more family-like" atmosphere. I rather hear that than feel like I was played. IMO thats what is at the root of Tedy's "discouragement". He's probably feeling a bit jilted like I am.

VrabelMayeWin · Mar 31, 2006

PatsChick87 said:
play within a "more family-like" atmosphere.

Funny, we heard the same from Milloy until his family cut hime

F.B.N., that line from Felger does lend credibility to what you were told although it doesn't do as far. Bottom line, I'll always love what McGinest and Vinatieri did for us on the field but I'll never feel the same way about them that I did, knowing that they didn't really want to stay the way some others (that's you, Tedy ) have done.

IcyPatriot · Mar 31, 2006

PatsChick87 said:
My first thought when I read this Felger piece this morning, was the same. I guess Willie was playing the PR game when he said he wanted to stay. This is what disappoints. If he'd been more honest, he would have said that he was taking the opportunity to cash in and play within a "more family-like" atmosphere. I rather hear that than feel like I was played. IMO thats what is at the root of Tedy's "discouragement". He's probably feeling a bit jilted like I am.

Great points...It is sad when he says there were no phone calls. Of course not, Belichick knew you were gone, he heard the hints you dropped and he knew there was no way he could/would pay that amount to keep Willie. Pure class Belichick as he takes a pounding in the media and refuses to throw his players under the bus. I bet the guys still on the team appreciate that about him, and it makes sense. 4 of the players that left were driven by $$$ and those that stayed were driven by more personal and honorable reasons.

I'm leaving soon to the same place I was Monday...I hope I get more, maybe I will get lucky again???

Pats726 · Mar 31, 2006

FBN...you were tight on the money!!! If you have that inside..I hope you may say more over time..not specifically..but in generally speaking. Like the tone now that players have gone...that the press (some of it) is blasting the coach.. I care little about the writers..but the team?? More important.

Box_O_Rocks · Mar 31, 2006

F.B.N. said:
Great points...It is sad when he says there were no phone calls. Of course not, Belichick knew you were gone, he heard the hints you dropped and he knew there was no way he could/would pay that amount to keep Willie. Pure class Belichick as he takes a pounding in the media and refuses to throw his players under the bus. I bet the guys still on the team appreciate that about him, and it makes sense. 4 of the players that left were driven by $$$ and those that stayed were driven by more personal and honorable reasons.

I'm leaving soon to the same place I was Monday...I hope I get more, maybe I will get lucky again???

I think it also speaks to Mangini's youth and inexperience as DC. There was a dramatic transition from RAC to EM, older players would be the first to resent the change.

What is interesting now, is looking back at the McGinest-Izzo confrontation on the sideline in Denver. I have a memory of people claiming McGinest was getting on Izzo for a mistake, but I can't help but wonder if it was the other way around and Izzo was the one resenting an apparent premature departure?

The one thing we need to take away from the article is Tedy's assurance that the remainder of the front seven are leaders, and competent ones at that. Tedy demonstrates it by challenging TBC to perform and succeed in the article.

I believe this is 5k the way I wanted to achieve it, talking Patriots' football.

T-ShirtDynasty · Mar 31, 2006

Box_O_Rocks said:
I believe this is 5k the way I wanted to achieve it, talking Patriots' football.

And good stuff too, congratulations. Interesting speculation on the Izzo/Willie confrontation.

VrabelMayeWin · Mar 31, 2006

Box_O_Rocks said:
What is interesting now, is looking back at the McGinest-Izzo confrontation on the sideline in Denver. I have a memory of people claiming McGinest was getting on Izzo for a mistake, but I can't help but wonder if it was the other way around and Izzo was the one resenting an apparent premature departure?

How I wish I were best friends with Belichick so I could know what really happened. Circumstantially, McGinest is being a total jerk for planning to leave then talking sh!t about the way the team handled it. But it's just circumstantial.

Box_O_Rocks · Mar 31, 2006

BelichickFan said:
How I wish I were best friends with Belichick so I could know what really happened. Circumstantially, McGinest is being a total jerk for planning to leave then talking sh!t about the way the team handled it. But it's just circumstantial.

Given the fact that he has left, it is only natural that any negatives presented with any degree of source reliability will be seized on. What always bothered me about the specualtion around the McGinest/Izzo confrontation is the image I have when the camera locked on - Izzo was in Willie's face. It may just have been camera timing, but that image was a polar opposite to the speculation of Willie getting on Larry for a mistake.

That is all past - Tedy has shown us he has the testicular fortitude to push TBC through the press, and he has identfied six reasons (including himself) to believe the front seven will be a pretty big hurdle for NE's opponents. I'm sure you would hear this from his boy's favorite Disney ride - "to infinity and beyond!" The quest for XLI begins! :woohoo:

T-ShirtDynasty · Mar 31, 2006

BelichickFan said:
How I wish I were best friends with Belichick so I could know what really happened. Circumstantially, McGinest is being a total jerk for planning to leave then talking sh!t about the way the team handled it. But it's just circumstantial.

I know it's all speculation and rumors. But Please God, Bob, Allah, Jeebus, Eris, Ganesh, Kali, Horus, Isis, Uncle Al in Heaven, Saint Whoevermightbelistening, please don't make us go through this with Bruschi, ever. Just not sure I could take it.

...And God planned to create the World in ten days.

Tedy Bruschi said, "Do it in six."

mtbykr · Mar 31, 2006

well

"I see and I know the business aspect, but I still don't want to look at that because I don't think this is a real job, to tell you the truth," he said. "All we're doing is playing football. There are a lot of financial implications, but come on, I haven't had a real job since I stacked Budweiser back in college. My neighbor teaches Kindergarten. That's a real job. This is just having fun if you ask me."

Well if I haven't said it in the last 5 minutes; thank God we have TB! :rocker:

marty · Mar 31, 2006

Box_O_Rocks said:
What is interesting now, is looking back at the McGinest-Izzo confrontation on the sideline in Denver. I have a memory of people claiming McGinest was getting on Izzo for a mistake, but I can't help but wonder if it was the other way around and Izzo was the one resenting an apparent premature departure?

The Izzo/Willie spat has stayed with me as well. Don't I recall someone here posting that Holly was quoted as saying that it had to do with Willie telling Izzo to stay out of the Defensive sideline meeting they were having? I remember thinking WTF is that, during a game you're going to call a special club meeting for members only? But not sure how reliable this was, so just filed it away as ?, unusual behavior for the Pats sideline.

marty · Mar 31, 2006

mtbykr said:
Well if I haven't said it in the last 5 minutes; thank God we have TB! :rocker:

Wish we could clone him 52 times!!!!

T-ShirtDynasty · Mar 31, 2006

PatsChick87 said:
Wish we could clone him 52 times!!!!

Pffffttt... come on! Tedy can't kick.

marty · Mar 31, 2006

T-ShirtDynasty said:
Pffffttt... come on! Tedy can't kick.

He can not only kick it, he'll run under the goal posts and catch it!!

PatsFanInVa · Mar 31, 2006

And here I thought Troy Brown got the extra cash to be the kicker this year too...

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