Hendrickson - or Chaisson AND Mafe

jdlboot14 said:

We have to stop signing old players based on their 10+ years of prime production. No to Hendrickson (31)
Chaisson (27) is not a top-echelon DE, but he stabilized our team with starting caliber skill set.
He and another solid Vet (to take place of Landry - who is done) would be nice: like Oweh (27)
Added to a developing Ponder & maybe Swinson - plus a top round draft EDGE.

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Give Kraft A Hand said:

If Hendrickson is healthy he’s still elite. Why shy away from Elite talent?

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DoubleDeluxe said:

Oweh won't be cheap.
If we signed him, I think (maybe incorrectly) that would mean we were out on Chaisson.
That would be a scenario were I would look to add someone like Clowney on a 1 year deal to rotate with Ponder/Swinson, plus draft a guy in the first 3 rds.
Clowney spent 2 or 3 years with the Texans while Vrabs was the LB coach, so there is a connection there.
Good connection, bad connection...I don't know, but Vrabs would have good intel on him.

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TommyD4207 said:

I like his skillset.
He makes way too much money for the production he's actually had. I'd be happy with the player but not his cap number, is basically where I'm at on him. And he's still pretty young.

It's sort of like how I am with Hendrickson, I like Hendrickson as a player, I have no interest in him at 30 mil/yr.

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DoubleDeluxe said:

People are scared of his age and I get that.
I like the player, and think a deal that is top heavy in the first 2 years would be fine.
If he was the same guy that had back to back 17.5 sack seasons, he is worth whatever number he gets.
Now obv that is the big question, how close can he be to thee 2023/2024 Trey?

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DoubleDeluxe said:

Oweh won't be cheap.
If we signed him, I think (maybe incorrectly) that would mean we were out on Chaisson.
That would be a scenario were I would look to add someone like Clowney on a 1 year deal to rotate with Ponder/Swinson, plus draft a guy in the first 3 rds.
Clowney spent 2 or 3 years with the Texans while Vrabs was the LB coach, so there is a connection there.
Good connection, bad connection...I don't know, but Vrabs would have good intel on him.

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Real fan 02 said:

I'd like Hendrickson on a short deal.. as @jdlboot14 and @TheRainMaker both make great points in thier post.

We need basically 2 starting edge players as mentioned in an earlier post reply i will not be the least suprised if we are sitting here in April/may hearing about Landry and retirement. He's done! We need to to either:

Resign Chaisson & add Hendrickson
Sign Mafe or Oweh
We are sure to draft 2 edge players
And as FA goes on, veteran cap cuts
Rashad Gary is available He's another veteran option...

Basically DD.. we need to be looking for 2 starting Edge players... take a look at Thibiduaux as well... there are many options to go at.

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DoubleDeluxe said:

I agree on the need for 2 starting Edge players.
But I don't think we are signing 2 of the top tier guys.
That's why I said Hendrickson/Oweh, and then a vet who will be cheaper but is still productive like Clowney, then draft an Edge in the first 3 rds and we have a rotation of:

Trey or Oweh
Clowney/Ponder/Swinson and a rook or 2.

I just don't see us signing 2 guys at high dollars like Hendrickson and Chaisson.

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DoubleDeluxe said:

I agree on the need for 2 starting Edge players.
But I don't think we are signing 2 of the top tier guys.
That's why I said Hendrickson/Oweh, and then a vet who will be cheaper but is still productive like Clowney, then draft an Edge in the first 3 rds and we have a rotation of:

Trey or Oweh
Clowney/Ponder/Swinson and a rook or 2.

I just don't see us signing 2 guys at high dollars like Hendrickson and Chaisson.

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Real fan 02 said:

Oh for sure definitely see your point.. we won't in invest high cap dollars in 2 guys for sure we have to spread the $$..

Chaisson wants to remain and the team wants him as well.. fact is we need to do something and something that at least sets us up for the next 2 season...

How about Rashad Gary.. only 28 and still csn be a productive player.. on a 2 year deal.. if we miss out on Chaisson then going after Mafe or Hendrickson? Basically getting the starters down pat is vital we have good rotational guys..

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DoubleDeluxe said:

Gary is a very good player, but.....
Is he actually leaving GB?

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Real fan 02 said:

Yes. Rashan Gary says goodbye to Packers organization in since-deleted message

Welcome to Foxborough Mr. Gary.. your locker is next to Mr. Williams...

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DoubleDeluxe said:

I saw that, but then the reports he would be cut if GB couldn't fins a trade partner.
So right now he is still their roster.
Not sure what his price would be.
GB would be releasing him because he has not lived up to his 4 year, $96M contract that has 2 years left on it.
I would not put him the Trey/Oweh class, he's a notch below.
I would say he is something similar to Chaisson.

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Real fan 02 said:

Agreed! He would simply be an option once cut. The thing is the wonders that last season did for us is make us a desirable destination again.. I've said myself Vrabel knows what NFL players go through and he won't nickel n dime guys.. he'll present fair offers to thier agents.. Gary feels like a fit..

So.. Gary and Chaisson ?
Gary and Mafe?
Gary and Hendrickson ?
Gary and oweh...?

As starting edges significantly impact the pass rush.. plus he'd be playing with Barmore and Williams in the interior..

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Real fan 02 said:

Agreed! He would simply be an option once cut. The thing is the wonders that last season did for us is make us a desirable destination again.. I've said myself Vrabel knows what NFL players go through and he won't nickel n dime guys.. he'll present fair offers to thier agents.. Gary feels like a fit..

So.. Gary and Chaisson ?
Gary and Mafe?
Gary and Hendrickson ?
Gary and oweh...?

As starting edges significantly impact the pass rush.. plus he'd be playing with Barmore and Williams in the interior..

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DoubleDeluxe said:

Depends on high much $ we want to dedicate to Edge.
Some the the top 2 paid tandems in the league make upwards of $60 AAV combined, but that's when you have a truly dominate #1 and a very good #2.
I would think 30/40 is more likely for us, but unfortunately we have Landry on the books for what , $13M a year?
I prefer (just my opinion), a higher price #1, and a lower paid #2. A Gary and Chaisson tandem, is more of a 2A and 2B, again just my opinion.
Hendrickson or Oweh or Phillips and a guy like Clowney plus a top 3 rd draft pick.
Based on Vrabel's background he might think he can get similar production from 2 or 3 middle tier guys.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Might just be our current cast, resign Chaisson and draft a guy in rd 1 or 2.

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Zuma said:

The hill I'm dying on...Phillips and Chaisson

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Real fan 02 said:

Good points... if we are going by Vrabel's better, younger, cheaper logic.. then that eliminates clowney.. Gary is 28, and Landry is what 30 or will be?

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Real fan 02 said:

Good points... if we are going by Vrabel's better, younger, cheaper logic.. then that eliminates clowney.. Gary is 28, and Landry is what 30 or will be?

Unfortunate he likely won't be around to finish his career a patriots player ( just my inclination)...

So we are talking about Chaisson and Gary 2a and 2b.. wich still gives you a more effective pass rush in wich if you get jumps from Ponder and if Swinson turns out to be anything... then don't forget we will be drafting some edge players as well.. I say get the starting guys situated and the rest is easy street..

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Zuma said:

Or it eliminates Gary as well. Chaisson and Phillips are both 26.

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