Let’s talk Jacas. Is it physical, mental, both?

[Joey007]

If that was your point,whether he would contribute early or not then it's a valid question, howeve that wasn't the premise of your post. You weren't saying that he wouldn't contribute early this season, you were questioning his athletic ability, and whether he is " physically inferior."

I’m not making any conclusion about what he is or is not yet.

I’m pretty much just saying it’s valid to have concerns with his performance. He looked that way out on the field in the preseason. It doesn’t mean he always will be. It’s just how it looked. It tells me at best case scenario, he isn’t ready to contribute early in the season. That may change by later in the season.

 

[Thelonious]

Safe to say - i think we all want him to succeed, mentally and physically as a player

Of course. My point was simply that to form a final judgment would be premature. I understand this may be an obvious point, but as we are in the doldrums, awaiting the all-too-obvious cuts, and I have no interest in discussing Vrabel's sexual peccadilloes nor to participate in further whining about how "cheap" the Krafts are - both unworthy wastes of time - the quality of posts here are bound to drop.

I am a compulsive writer. Maybe I'll go on over to National Review Online and pester the more pretentious knuckledraggers over there. I could mock the leftists in their bailiwicks, I suppose, but that's just too easy.

 

[mgteich]

I’m not making any conclusion about what he is or is not yet.

I’m pretty much just saying it’s valid to have concerns with his performance. He looked that way out on the field in the preseason. It doesn’t mean he always will be. It’s just how it looked. It tells me at best case scenario, he isn’t ready to contribute early in the season. That may change by later in the season.

I agree.

He played like a raw rookie who missed a lot of TC. This may or may not be made up within this season.

I would settle for him being #4 or even #5 in the EDGE rotation in his rookie year.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Jacas looked lost like beck wethers on the slopes of everest out there.

You took a lot of heat with posters coming at you left and right when you criticized Jacas for his contract battle with the Pats. Posters were saying how it wasn’t a big deal he missed time and playing edge is easy to pick up….until he struggles badly in the preseason.

This thread is filled with the “missed time” excuse. There’s no excuse for him crashing down like he did on the first play in the clip previously posted which had nothing to do with “missed time”. That is basic understanding of the game. Tanner is right, he’s absolutely unplayable right now.

No matter what round you are picked in, get your contract squared away and get your ass involved with the program day 1 - not August 1st. Posters are going to have to accept Jacas has a bullseye on his back and will be criticized until proven otherwise.

 

[Real fan 02]

The comments on YouTube are funny calling him Keion White 2.0. People are also arguing with Evan Lazar on X about this. I agree with the comments as I see the similarities in playing style.

Gabe missed alot of time and Coach Mike Smith eluded to this during camp. He essentially is playing catch up and just doing things of natural talent and still learning techniques. This is Mini camp for him essentially. I still have high hopes for him. K. Whites issue were 100% mental and stubbornness to evolve as a player.

 

[Richard Camembert]

Of course. My point was simply that to form a final judgment would be premature. I understand this may be an obvious point, but as we are in the doldrums, awaiting the all-too-obvious cuts, and I have no interest in discussing Vrabel's sexual peccadilloes nor to participate in further whining about how "cheap" the Krafts are - both unworthy wastes of time - the quality of posts here IS bound to drop.

I am a compulsive writer. Maybe I'll go on over to National Review Online and pester the more pretentious knuckledraggers over there. I could mock the leftists in their bailiwicks, I suppose, but that's just too easy.

FTFY.

 

[Thelonious]

FTFY.

LOL. Thanks. I have a habit of recasting sentences halfway through, then neglecting to go back and sync the first half of the sentence with the incongruent first. I guess "posts" was rattling around in my octogenarian head when I chose my verb. I worked as a technical writing for a number of years (for General Electric: repair and overhaul manuals for military equipment), and we always checked one another's stuff because you tend to see what you imagine is there rather than what actually is there when you reread your own writings, particularly for whatever reason when you are working on a screen rather than with a hard copy. This one stings a little, since I have probably told students about 500 times that "the object of a preposition cannot be the subject of a verb." Sometimes I would go on to say that when an indefinite pronoun is the subject of a verb the number of the object of the prepositional phrase which often follows the pronoun can indirectly determine the number of the verb, as in "Some of the boards look crooked." vs. "Some of the board looks straight." They always found this every bit as fascinating as you just did.

FWIW, I am prepared to defend "I guess 'posts' was rattling around...," notwithstanding how odd it looks. For one thing, it does not look nearly as odd, or as medically dire, as "posts were rattling around in my head."

 

[PatMan]

When was the last time the Patriots had a first or second round pick that looked this clueless at the beginning of their first year and then actually became a contributor? Especially at a linebacker or D-Line spot?

 

[TheRainMaker]

When was the last time the Patriots had a first or second round pick that looked this clueless at the beginning of their first year and then actually became a contributor? Especially at a linebacker or D-Line spot?

The correct answer is never. This is something many posters are still in denial over.

 

[RobertWeathers]

When was the last time the Patriots had a first or second round pick that looked this clueless at the beginning of their first year and then actually became a contributor? Especially at a linebacker or D-Line spot?

2012 Dont'a Hightower

 

[TheRainMaker]

2012 Dont'a Hightower

Not even close. Hightower was an instant impact player.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not even close. Hightower was an instant impact player.

No he wasn't.

Early in the year he had major issues in gap control and setting the edge and coverage- typical rookie stuff.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

When was the last time the Patriots had a first or second round pick that looked this clueless at the beginning of their first year and then actually became a contributor? Especially at a linebacker or D-Line spot?

I agree. It is a worse sign than I think people are acknowledging. Let's hope Jacas shines because he was a 2nd, 4th, and 6th round pick.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No he wasn't.

Early in the year he had major issues in gap control and setting the edge and coverage- typical rookie stuff.

14 years ago. So you are saying it is harder to develop than sometimes thought?

 

[RobertWeathers]

14 years ago. So you are saying it is harder to develop than sometimes thought?

Not specifically. Every player is different. High was a special player and he still had a tough first couple of months.

For all we know Jacas could be in the EDGE rotation by Halloween or inactive. Just gotta see how he takes to coaching and learns what it takes to play the position at a competent level.

 

[n1997y]

Not specifically. Every player is different. High was a special player and he still had a tough first couple of months.

For all we know Jacas could be in the EDGE rotation by Halloween or inactive. Just gotta see how he takes to coaching and learns what it takes to play the position at a competent level.

But we can’t wait until Halloween!

We need to know why the sky is falling now!

Right now!

First game is next week!!!!

(Oops, almost forgot). /s

 

[mgteich]

But we can’t wait until Halloween!

We need to know why the sky is falling now!

Right now!

First game is next week!!!!

(Oops, almost forgot). /s

We NEED to know why a raw rookie with an undisclosed injury won't be a major contributor in the first half as a rookie?

 

[TommyD4207]

But we can’t wait until Halloween!

We need to know why the sky is falling now!

Right now!

First game is next week!!!!

(Oops, almost forgot). /s

And Rookies never get better! They're always the exact same as they were the second they stepped onto the practice field for the first time!

 

[PatMan]

Not specifically. Every player is different. High was a special player and he still had a tough first couple of months.

For all we know Jacas could be in the EDGE rotation by Halloween or inactive. Just gotta see how he takes to coaching and learns what it takes to play the position at a competent level.

Hightower wasn't a HOF candidate in his rookie year, but he was a Day 1 starter and scored a defensive touchdown in his first game...

 

[Patsfan1645]

I have gone back and watched Jacas's snaps in the preseason games and the thing that concerns me most is right now he is one dimensional with a bull rush. If that doesn't work he cannot get off the block and that's against 2nd and 3rd stringers. I have also seen him ragged doll to the ground more than I would like. Lets hope they can coach him up to have more rounds in the chamber. This isn't college where he can just over power a lot of tackles. He cant be like Keion White and just say this is who I am, deal with it.