Patriots Trading For RB Corey Kiner (2028 7th rounder)

[TomPatriot]

You're absolutely right. My bad. I misread Wikipedia.

I misread a lot so I wasn’t sure.

 

[n1997y]

A 7th rounder allows you to choose any potential undrafted free agent

We just traded that 7th rounder for a UDFA that has been in the league for two years.

Which has more value, a rookie UDFA with no NFL experience, or a two year NFL veteran who was a UDFA?

More valuable than random jags off the scrap heap.

You think a scratch off ticket that hasn’t been scratched is more valuable than one that only won a couple of bucks, right?

 

[n1997y]

But a 7th is still very low pct.

We know he's a guy who would have been cut off a bad team.

But they must be desperate, and feel he's the best option open.

I don’t think it’s desperation. I think it’s an upgrade, for minimal cost.

Bad teams make bad decisions. I don’t know how deep the Cardinals RB depth might be, but Kiner has been in the league for two years so the Patriots have a good book on him.

We will see how well he does, but for now it looks like a couple of our questions about RB have been answered. RB3 will be Kiner. Most likely Larison, Jam, and perhaps Haskins will end up on our PS. I think that’s stronger than we were before this trade.

 

[reflexblue]

So basically we traded Boutte for a safety and running back.

Thats a big 10/4

 

[manxman2601]

 

[WhatJustHappened]

I'm guessing the rbs in that room are sweating a bit right now.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Lol ya we gave up a truckload in this trade. That 7th rounder is equal to a first. Lol. This guy is different than Larison - totally different skill set. You cited Kiner's height but not his weight? Why? Because it undermines your complaint. He weighs 209lbs, which makes him a bowling ball. This is the guy who rams under the line to get the tough yards and runs out the 4th quarter so you can save Rham. Jam is the same kind of back, but I think his injury is worse than expected. Larison is not this type of runner at all. Kiner saves the late game hits on Rham and Trey.

My sentiments exactly.
You nailed what Kiner's role will be, what Jam's might have been, and what Larison's role never would've been!

 

[n1997y]

I'm guessing the rbs in that room are sweating a bit right now.

No, they’ve read the handwriting on the wall and already know. Nothing left to sweat about.

 

[DaBruinz]

And there is the KEY point. Special Teams. We've heard Vrabel say, repeatedly, he wants the ball in the hands of a RB on kick-offs. Granted, Kiner wasn't exactly making a splash as a college kick returner, Not nearly what Larison did. But he's got some experience.

With there being a question as to Jam Miller's health, I think this is a decent pick-up. A guy who can take 5-6 hand-offs game to give Henderson and Stevenson a rest while doing the kick-offs.

It should be noted that Kiner had 4.8 YPC behind Arizona's O-line last year.

 

[mgteich]

My sentiments exactly.
You nailed what Kiner's role will be, what Jam's might have been, and what Larison's role never would've been!

I had posted that we might need to trade picks to get players that might be cut, to get a jump on them being claimed or by having to compete with others.

A 2028 7th is a bargain. And, yes, last year we likely would have waited and have expected to claim Kiner.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I had posted that we might need to trade posts to get players that might be cut, to get a jum on them bing claimed or by having to compete with others.

A 2028 7th is a bargain. And, yes, last year we likely would have waited and have expected to claim Kiner.

I know nothing about him other than what I read, but things like
uncanny contact balance
bouncing of tacklers
never goes down on first contact
Those are exactly the type of things I want to hear about an early down backup RB.

 

[mgteich]

IMO, the patriots are doing OK with late additions

OUT: Boutte, 2028 7th
IN: Van Roten, Reed, Conley, Haack, Kiner

I think that we might have to part with a 6th if we want a contributing ILB or EDGE player. We'll see

 

[DaBruinz]

I know nothing about him other than what I read, but things like
uncanny contact balance
bouncing of tacklers
never goes down on first contact
Those are exactly the type of things I want to hear about an early down backup RB.

Or a "short yardage back" That isn't named Gilliam

 

[DaBruinz]

IMO, the patriots are doing OK with late additions

OUT: Boutte, 2028 7th
IN: Van Roten, Reed, Conley, Haack, Kiner

I think that we might have to part with a 6th if we want a contributing ILB or EDGE player. We'll see

Why are you assuming that Conley is staying? Conley was on and off the Pats PS a couple times. Then on the Lions PS before being cut then on the Browns PS where he earned a Future's contract. Which was short-lived since he was cut twice by the Browns before re-signing back with the Pats.

Conley is as likely to be cut as any other of the bottom of the roster guys.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Depth at 2 positions???
Boutte is better than these 2 jags combined
Neither Reed nor Kiner will be on roster by end of season.
I will bet Boutte has at least 50 catches 800 yards

Lmao. Sam is hunting anything he can find to be mad about. It must suck to go through life seeking out any and every grievance possible just to stay mad at the world. It reminds me of a poster from years ago ( I think his username was Seymour 93) who did the exact same thing, sought out anything he could to be angry about. Then, suddenly, he started talking about how he had met this great young woman, only to come back in a couple of months later devastated that she wouldn't see him anymore because he had been such a miserable ******* that she couldn't take it any longer.

 

[n1997y]

Lmao. Sam is hunting anything he can find to be mad about. It must suck to go through life seeking out any and every grievance possible just to stay mad at the world. It reminds me of a poster from years ago ( I think his username was Seymour 93) who did the exact same thing, sought out anything he could to be angry about. Then, suddenly, he started talking about how he had met this great young woman, only to come back in a couple of months later devastated that she wouldn't see him anymore because he had been such a miserable ******* that she couldn't take it any longer.

I was hoping you’d say she was nice to him and he turned it around. It’s easy to continue being a miserable wet blanket when everybody dumps on you all the time. It becomes self reinforcing. It works that way for both positive and negative behavior. That’s why it’s so hard to get people to change, even if they try everybody else doesn’t change as fast and it pushes them back into bad behavior. Peer pressure works both ways.

To be fair, Sam posted a very good detailed scouting report on Kiner that pleasantly surprised me with the strength of the positives in the evaluation. I really appreciated it.

 

[DaBruinz]

Lmao. Sam is hunting anything he can find to be mad about. It must suck to go through life seeking out any and every grievance possible just to stay mad at the world. It reminds me of a poster from years ago ( I think his username was Seymour 93) who did the exact same thing, sought out anything he could to be angry about. Then, suddenly, he started talking about how he had met this great young woman, only to come back in a couple of months later devastated that she wouldn't see him anymore because he had been such a miserable ******* that she couldn't take it any longer.

Sam is actually worse than NEM and Captain Stone and Andy.. It's actually pretty sad.

 

[PatsFan2]

Cory Kiner looks really good to.me especially a in short yardage situations.

 

[TomPatriot]

Cory Kiner looks really good to.me especially a in short yardage situations.

I know nothing about him but he looks like he’s a pain in the butt to put on the ground.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Sam is actually worse than NEM and Captain Stone and Andy.. It's actually pretty sad.

Agree completely.