Boutte available for trade?

[mgteich]

I expect us to have a primary set of Brown, Doubs, Henry, and Hollins, with Williams getting occasional reps.

What percentage of the reps for WR's and TE's are left for anyone else?
#2 TE?
#3 TE?
#5 WR?
#6 WR?

 

[TheRainMaker]

This is absolute elite, and it wasn't the only one.

Boutte at some point in the last season was pointing to a 1000 yards season, but injuries set him back. 2024 season he already showed some chemistry with Maye. I felt like they should have extended him before, but the timing wasn't right for him and now he's caught in a numbers game with Dobbs and Brown signings. Still, as a #3 he can have his best season this far, it's up to him, or move on to some place where he still won't be a #1 and chances to strike gold in the next free agency are not much better.

From the Patriots side, I'd wait. Up until the beginning of the season, at some point in OTAs, training camp and 1st quarter of the season some "name" WR will be out for the season due to ACL or something else, and then we are looking at a 4th rounder at least. Maybe more than 1 WR, hopefully none from the Patriots.

It's been clear for a while now the real reason behind the Boutte defense. Posters in this thread have been hyping up Boutte for the sole reason they just want his trade value up. He was no where close to being a 1,000-go to type WR. He's a slow lumbering receiver who's shown he's not very good in short space and he's the absolute worst in the NFL after the catch at 1.2. He's also only had a max of at least 6 receptions in a game twice, but never more than 7. And it's not like he's had a gauntlet of competition standing in front of him, so the argument could end right there.

Any ******* can make a circus catch or two - just watch the LOB Seahawks and refresh your memory watching Jermaine Kearse in Super Bowl 49. We're also forgetting about the most famous circus catcher in David Tyree. It's becoming flat out denial here. Sorry, but it's not sustainable and there are a lot of things have to fall into place in order for that to continue.

I've already heard from the village idiot on this board that Boutte has been held back by McDaniels. The injury excuse isn't a good one as well. I'm looking forward to the next excuse why Boutte is being held back (and I already know what it is).

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Top 5?..

Lets hope we are Top 10 in running and passing. I think the balance is more important than an individual ranking.

 

[mgteich]

I expect us to have a primary set of Brown, Doubs, Henry, and Hollins, with Williams getting occasional reps.

What percentage of the reps for WR's and TE's are left for anyone else?
#2 TE?
#3 TE?
#5 WR?
#6 WR?

What would be the role of a 5th or 6th WR?

Douglas could be the backup slot receiver.
Chism or one of the UDA's could be a returner or potential future backup.
Boutte could be injury insurance (usually inactive).

 

[Real fan 02]

Lets hope we are Top 10 in running and passing. I think the balance is more important than an individual ranking.

Someone mentioned we were 4th in running the ball last season? I didn't see a running game that warranted the 4th ranking? If so?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Someone mentioned we were 4th in running the ball last season? I didn't see a running game that warranted the 4th ranking? If so?

The stats I saw say the Pats were Top 10 in rushing yards per game, but EPA/rush was roughly top half of the league. The difference is a matter of efficiency. The Pats rushed for a lot of yards per game, but were not very effective is yards per attempt. The passing game allowed a lot more 1st downs that led to more rushing attempts. That is why we signed Hill and Gilliam in FA.

Also remember that our 2025 strength of schedule was historically weak. We will be rushing, on average over the season, against stronger defenses this year.

Here is a good link if you want to see all of the stats for the NFL offenses in 2025 in one place. NFL Offensive Team Stats | SumerSports

 

[Real fan 02]

The stats I saw say the Pats were Top 10 in rushing yards per game, but EPA/rush was roughly top half of the league. The difference is a matter of efficiency. The Pats rushed for a lot of yards per game, but were not very effective is yards per attempt. The passing game allowed a lot more 1st downs that led to more rushing attempts. That is why we signed Hill and Gilliam in FA.

Also remember that our 2025 strength of schedule was historically weak. We will be rushing, on average over the season, against stronger defenses this year.

Here is a good link if you want to see all of the stats for the NFL offenses in 2025 in one place. NFL Offensive Team Stats | SumerSports

Great read here. Thank you! Very helpful! Yes that's is an accurate summary of our running game and again I cannot overstate how important it is to have a coach like Vrabel who's lived it! Who knows what a championship team looks like. Getting 5 YPC this season shouldn't be that difficult with the additions as you mentioned and another huge one incoming post june 1.

 

[DaBruinz]

The stats I saw say the Pats were Top 10 in rushing yards per game, but EPA/rush was roughly top half of the league. The difference is a matter of efficiency. The Pats rushed for a lot of yards per game, but were not very effective is yards per attempt. The passing game allowed a lot more 1st downs that led to more rushing attempts. That is why we signed Hill and Gilliam in FA.

Also remember that our 2025 strength of schedule was historically weak. We will be rushing, on average over the season, against stronger defenses this year.

Here is a good link if you want to see all of the stats for the NFL offenses in 2025 in one place. NFL Offensive Team Stats | SumerSports

Stevenson - 4.6YPA - 130 carries
Henderson - 5.1 YPA - 180 carries

Maye - 4.4 YPA- 103 carries

Jennings - 3.2YPA - 23 carries
Gibson - 4.2 YPA - 25 carries
Johnson - 1.9 YPA. - 13 carries

Anything over 4.5 YPA is considered very good to excellent. Considering that the Stevenson and Henderson each ran for over 4.5YPA despite the O-line tells you that they are very good.

The Pats signed Hill and Gilliam because they needed upgrades over Hooper and Westover and they were available.

In theory, the Pats will be rushing against stronger defenses. However, the Pats rushed well against strong defenses last year. The exception was the Super Bowl. Cleveland had the best run defense when the Pats faced them and the Pats put up 177 yards. Terrell Jennings and Henderson both averaged 7.5 YPA against the Browns. Stevenson had a bad game getting only 34 yards on 14 carries.

I mentioned in another thread that I wouldn't be surprised to see Stevenson and Henderson both put up over 1000 yards rushing this season. And yes. I expect them both to be over 5 YPA this year.

 

[Zuma]

Posters in this thread have been hyping up Boutte for the sole reason they just want his trade value up.

I want him on the team this season.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Someone mentioned we were 4th in running the ball last season? I didn't see a running game that warranted the 4th ranking? If so?

The stats I saw say the Pats were Top 10 in rushing yards per game, but EPA/rush was roughly top half of the league. The difference is a matter of efficiency. The Pats rushed for a lot of yards per game, but were not very effective is yards per attempt. The passing game allowed a lot more 1st downs that led to more rushing attempts. That is why we signed Hill and Gilliam in FA.

Also remember that our 2025 strength of schedule was historically weak. We will be rushing, on average over the season, against stronger defenses this year.

Here is a good link if you want to see all of the stats for the NFL offenses in 2025 in one place. NFL Offensive Team Stats | SumerSports

This is where stats like being "4th in running the ball" can be misleading. While Henderson has the game breaking ability, he's not a consistent bell cow back....yet. He's also not the most powerful when it's short yardage time. That haunts you in big games.

Rham, on the other hand, has been mediocre since Harris left. No teams are afraid of his lack of explosion to the 2nd level. While Rham took a beating for the team in the playoffs, he was doing just enough. I do think this is Rham's last season with the team and Henderson should get more touches.

O-line was not a good run blocking unit which didn't help matters.

Maye also skews the stats with his 450 yards.

I want him on the team this season.

If he actually has the nerve to ask for a trade, then the Pats will unload him quickly. Like Joe Milton, these are the type of players you can't have in the locker room. His best move is to man up and work on proving he's better than Doubs and Hollins. If he has a problem with that competition, then it's a no brainer to get rid of him.

 

[Real fan 02]

This is where stats like being "4th in running the ball" can be misleading. While Henderson has the game breaking ability, he's not a consistent bell cow back....yet. He's also not the most powerful when it's short yardage time. That haunts you in big games.

Rham, on the other hand, has been mediocre since Harris left. No teams are afraid of his lack of explosion to the 2nd level. While Rham took a beating for the team in the playoffs, he was doing just enough. I do think this is Rham's last season with the team and Henderson should get more touches.

O-line was not a good run blocking unit which didn't help matters.

Maye also skews the stats with his 450 yards.

If he actually has the nerve to ask for a trade, then the Pats will unload him quickly. Like Joe Milton, these are the type of players you can't have in the locker room. His best move is to man up and work on proving he's better than Doubs and Hollins. If he has a problem with that competition, then it's a no brainer to get rid of him.

Agreed!!!! Rham was excellent down the stretch last season.. I had posted around the end of last season his interview with PFT and how he opened up about his father and how it of course had an effect on him mentally as his father was his biggest supporter.. once he compartmentalized that he got into a zone.. however we still need more in our running game.. the way this teams constructed we shouldn't be seing loses in the back field..or can pick up 3rd and 2 or for goodness sake playes like that Cincinnati game goal like embarrassment..last season

 

[Zuma]

If he actually has the nerve to ask for a trade, then the Pats will unload him quickly.

Players shelf life in the NFL is not long…I never criticize them for wanting to get as much $ as they can. I was not aware he asked for a trade however…do you have a link?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Players shelf life in the NFL is not long…I never criticize them for wanting to get as much $ as they can. I was not aware he asked for a trade however…do you have a link?

I said "if" he asks for a trade. I really don't know this all started, but the media has been pushing this lately. Curran is now chiming in which his argument doesn't make any sense and an oxymoron. If anything, he's desperately trying to help the Pats hype him up to get a team to overpay.

 

[Wozzy]

I said "if" he asks for a trade. I really don't know this all started, but the media has been pushing this lately. Curran is now chiming in which his argument doesn't make any sense and an oxymoron. If anything, he's desperately trying to help the Pats hype him up to get a team to overpay.

Pretty Sure Rkarp is Curran. Get open more and he'd get the ball more.

Boutte played the 2nd most WR snaps on the team... he had 500 yards receiving.

 

[Wozzy]

This is where stats like being "4th in running the ball" can be misleading. While Henderson has the game breaking ability, he's not a consistent bell cow back....yet. He's also not the most powerful when it's short yardage time. That haunts you in big games.

Henderson's inability to pass block seemed to be his biggest problem. It's why as the season went on you saw Rhamondre out there more on passing downs, even though a faster RB who can catch would be the better option. Henderson has to learn how to block to become a three down back like Rhamondre.

Rham, on the other hand, has been mediocre since Harris left. No teams are afraid of his lack of explosion to the 2nd level. While Rham took a beating for the team in the playoffs, he was doing just enough. I do think this is Rham's last season with the team and Henderson should get more touches.

O-line was not a good run blocking unit which didn't help matters.

Take away the fumbles to start the season, the overall poor blocking by the offense, Josh's bland play calling and Rhamondre had a good season. He made Henderson's life a lot easier by taking those early rushing downs, which allowed Henderson to enter the game as a change of pace guy. Rhamondre tenderized them for him.

The poor blocking resulted largely from a FB who was ineffectual, and TE's who try hard but there's not one massive 260+ pound blocking TE on the roster who contributed... they were often subbing in a 6th lineman and telegraphing the run. A better FB and hopefully better blocking from the TE unit should help this season. Either way, Rhamondre averaged 4.6 YPC and Henderson averaged 5.1 YPC.... that's really good considering the conditions around them.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Pretty Sure Rkarp is Curran. Get open more and he'd get the ball more.

Boutte played the 2nd most WR snaps on the team... he had 500 yards receiving.

I do think the media has accounts on this board.

 

[Wozzy]

I do think the media has accounts on this board.

Unquestionably, we start conversations here, within a day the talking heads are repeating talking points formulated here.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Unquestionably, we start conversations here, within a day the talking heads are repeating talking points formulated here.

Yep. I've made this observation before that this is best place for the media to gauge how Pats fans are feeling and what we are talking about.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Get open more and he'd get the ball more.

I just realized I saw that before too.

 

[Zuma]

I said "if" he asks for a trade. I really don't know this all started, but the media has been pushing this lately. Curran is now chiming in which his argument doesn't make any sense and an oxymoron. If anything, he's desperately trying to help the Pats hype him up to get a team to overpay.

Speculating…got it