Boutte available for trade?

[mgteich]

I expect us to have a primary set of Brown, Doubs, Henry, and Hollins, with Williams getting occasional reps.

What percentage of the reps for WR's and TE's are left for anyone else?
#2 TE?
#3 TE?
#5 WR?
#6 WR?

 

[TheRainMaker]

This is absolute elite, and it wasn't the only one.

Boutte at some point in the last season was pointing to a 1000 yards season, but injuries set him back. 2024 season he already showed some chemistry with Maye. I felt like they should have extended him before, but the timing wasn't right for him and now he's caught in a numbers game with Dobbs and Brown signings. Still, as a #3 he can have his best season this far, it's up to him, or move on to some place where he still won't be a #1 and chances to strike gold in the next free agency are not much better.

From the Patriots side, I'd wait. Up until the beginning of the season, at some point in OTAs, training camp and 1st quarter of the season some "name" WR will be out for the season due to ACL or something else, and then we are looking at a 4th rounder at least. Maybe more than 1 WR, hopefully none from the Patriots.

It's been clear for a while now the real reason behind the Boutte defense. Posters in this thread have been hyping up Boutte for the sole reason they just want his trade value up. He was no where close to being a 1,000-go to type WR. He's a slow lumbering receiver who's shown he's not very good in short space and he's the absolute worst in the NFL after the catch at 1.2. He's also only had a max of at least 6 receptions in a game twice, but never more than 7. And it's not like he's had a gauntlet of competition standing in front of him, so the argument could end right there.

Any ******* can make a circus catch or two - just watch the LOB Seahawks and refresh your memory watching Jermaine Kearse in Super Bowl 49. We're also forgetting about the most famous circus catcher in David Tyree. It's becoming flat out denial here. Sorry, but it's not sustainable and there are a lot of things have to fall into place in order for that to continue.

I've already heard from the village idiot on this board that Boutte has been held back by McDaniels. The injury excuse isn't a good one as well. I'm looking forward to the next excuse why Boutte is being held back (and I already know what it is).

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Top 5?..

Lets hope we are Top 10 in running and passing. I think the balance is more important than an individual ranking.

 

[mgteich]

I expect us to have a primary set of Brown, Doubs, Henry, and Hollins, with Williams getting occasional reps.

What percentage of the reps for WR's and TE's are left for anyone else?
#2 TE?
#3 TE?
#5 WR?
#6 WR?

What would be the role of a 5th or 6th WR?

Douglas could be the backup slot receiver.
Chism or one of the UDA's could be a returner or potential future backup.
Boutte could be injury insurance (usually inactive).

 

[Real fan 02]

Lets hope we are Top 10 in running and passing. I think the balance is more important than an individual ranking.

Someone mentioned we were 4th in running the ball last season? I didn't see a running game that warranted the 4th ranking? If so?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Someone mentioned we were 4th in running the ball last season? I didn't see a running game that warranted the 4th ranking? If so?

The stats I saw say the Pats were Top 10 in rushing yards per game, but EPA/rush was roughly top half of the league. The difference is a matter of efficiency. The Pats rushed for a lot of yards per game, but were not very effective is yards per attempt. The passing game allowed a lot more 1st downs that led to more rushing attempts. That is why we signed Hill and Gilliam in FA.

Also remember that our 2025 strength of schedule was historically weak. We will be rushing, on average over the season, against stronger defenses this year.

Here is a good link if you want to see all of the stats for the NFL offenses in 2025 in one place. NFL Offensive Team Stats | SumerSports

 

[Real fan 02]

The stats I saw say the Pats were Top 10 in rushing yards per game, but EPA/rush was roughly top half of the league. The difference is a matter of efficiency. The Pats rushed for a lot of yards per game, but were not very effective is yards per attempt. The passing game allowed a lot more 1st downs that led to more rushing attempts. That is why we signed Hill and Gilliam in FA.

Also remember that our 2025 strength of schedule was historically weak. We will be rushing, on average over the season, against stronger defenses this year.

Here is a good link if you want to see all of the stats for the NFL offenses in 2025 in one place. NFL Offensive Team Stats | SumerSports

Great read here. Thank you! Very helpful! Yes that's is an accurate summary of our running game and again I cannot overstate how important it is to have a coach like Vrabel who's lived it! Who knows what a championship team looks like. Getting 5 YPC this season shouldn't be that difficult with the additions as you mentioned and another huge one incoming post june 1.

 

[DaBruinz]

The stats I saw say the Pats were Top 10 in rushing yards per game, but EPA/rush was roughly top half of the league. The difference is a matter of efficiency. The Pats rushed for a lot of yards per game, but were not very effective is yards per attempt. The passing game allowed a lot more 1st downs that led to more rushing attempts. That is why we signed Hill and Gilliam in FA.

Also remember that our 2025 strength of schedule was historically weak. We will be rushing, on average over the season, against stronger defenses this year.

Here is a good link if you want to see all of the stats for the NFL offenses in 2025 in one place. NFL Offensive Team Stats | SumerSports

Stevenson - 4.6YPA - 130 carries
Henderson - 5.1 YPA - 180 carries

Maye - 4.4 YPA- 103 carries

Jennings - 3.2YPA - 23 carries
Gibson - 4.2 YPA - 25 carries
Johnson - 1.9 YPA. - 13 carries

Anything over 4.5 YPA is considered very good to excellent. Considering that the Stevenson and Henderson each ran for over 4.5YPA despite the O-line tells you that they are very good.

The Pats signed Hill and Gilliam because they needed upgrades over Hooper and Westover and they were available.

In theory, the Pats will be rushing against stronger defenses. However, the Pats rushed well against strong defenses last year. The exception was the Super Bowl. Cleveland had the best run defense when the Pats faced them and the Pats put up 177 yards. Terrell Jennings and Henderson both averaged 7.5 YPA against the Browns. Stevenson had a bad game getting only 34 yards on 14 carries.

I mentioned in another thread that I wouldn't be surprised to see Stevenson and Henderson both put up over 1000 yards rushing this season. And yes. I expect them both to be over 5 YPA this year.

 

[Zuma]

Posters in this thread have been hyping up Boutte for the sole reason they just want his trade value up.

I want him on the team this season.