2026 UDFA Thread - aka Best Thread Of The Year

[JohnJH]

No you wouldn’t. Trust me. Pickens is not a good guy.

I never said he was a good guy. But I think giving up what it'll take to get Brown and his salary, a long with his age and knee issues is just not worth it. With a strong team culture, Pickens has a chance to be a better guy than he's been thus far. Heck, if we want to go really big, try getting BTJ or dare I say, Justin Jefferson. I'd rather go all in on a younger #1 caliber WR than someone that's older, injury issues, and won't be around with Maye as long as some others.

 

[JohnJH]

Maybe, but I’d bet on one of the RB’s to do the job. Kickoff are more like a run play now, Jam Miller or whoever wins the backup gig.

Dixon might make the team, he may not… or it might take some time to develop him. Chism already made an NFL roster. He is a comparable athlete and similar quickness to Amendola or Welker, I’d have him returning punts instead if Marcus Jones missed time.

Jam Miller has the build and general speed to be a KR. Jennings is a JAG at best.

 

[mgteich]

Jam Miller has the build and general speed to be a KR. Jennings is a JAG at best.

A #3 RB who is active primarily active to return kicks is almost by definition a JAG.

 

[DaBruinz]

look at you not understanding getting 2 snaps in a game in garbage time proves my point.
Chism has too many games of "inactive" and "0 targets" and "2 offensive snaps" to convince me the staff sees something in him.
now, perhaps they do. but last year they didn't.

I understand that you're delusional and don't understand the difference between what you said and what reality actually is.

YOUR CLAIM: :Chism returned kicks and saw some offensive snaps in 2 blow out wins"

REALITY: Chism saw offensive snaps in EVERY GAME he played in. Including 2 play-off games where he saw 14 and 22 offensive snaps.

You literally don't understand no one is trying to CONVINCE you of anything. What people are doing is correcting your blatant lies.

 

[DaBruinz]

Edelman was Edelman because of Brady
they each played to the others strengths
Maye has not played that type of football to date.
Chism cannot be Edelman 2.0 with out the QB..

Edelman wasn't Edelman because of BRADY. JFC.

Edelman was a quick receiver who got open and found the holes in opposing team's zones.

Edelman doing gave Brady a somewhat reliable receiver. I say somewhat because the only time Edelman had fewer than 5 drops in a season are seasons he was injured or saw fewer than 40 targets.

 

[DaBruinz]

Chism's issue is speed. What people don't understand is speed and quickness are not independent. There are two different tests, the 40 and 3cone, so people think speed and quickness are detached. If the DB knows the WR is slow, then the DB can crowd and jam the WR with no concern for getting beat deep. If a Slot WR is jammed his separation due to quickness is reduced. The lack of speed leads to the defense playing the WR differently. That is why Chism III is not Welker, or Edelman, or Kupp.

What I find interesting about your "analysis" is that you talk about speed and quickness and guys getting jammed, but you talk about 40 speeds. The 40time is about LONG speed. You should be evaluating the players based on their 10 yd split if you're going to talk about guys getting jammed at the line. So, I took the liberty of looking those times up for you.

Chism - 10yd - 1.62; 3C - 6.77
Welker - 10ydl - 1.60 ; 3C - 7.01
Edelman - 10yd - 1.52; 3C 6.62
Kupp - 10yd - 1.57; 3C 6.52 (over 60% snaps from Slot with the except of his year in SEA)
Anquan Boldin - 10yd - 1.61; 3C - 7.35
Jaxson Smith-Njigba - 10yd 1.65 ; 3C 6.57 (23/24 primarily slot; 2025 primarily wide)
Puka Nacua - 10yd- 1.62; 3C- 7.32
Amon-Ra St. Brown - 10yd - 1.63; 3C - 6.90 (Primarily slot)
Michael Wilson - 10yd - 1.60; 3C- 6.81 (primarily wide)
Jakobi Meyers -10yd- 1.60; 3C - 7.07 (has played both)
Nico Collins - 10td 1.55; 3C - 6.79 (primarily wide)


As you can see, I took the liberty of adding a few extra guys who had similar 10yd splits and 3Cs who have been successful in the NFL. I added both guys who played primarily Wide and those who played in the slot. Because those playing Wide get jammed at the LOS the same way that Slot guys do.

Would you care to amend your "analysis"? Or are you going to stick to something that is clearly flawed?

 

[DaBruinz]

And I'm virtually certain that was still the highest number of catches for any rookie.



My point was that they mostly, though not entirely, gave up on developing him as a WR after they pushed him so far down the depth chart.

I got what your point was. I believe it to be erroneous. You offer nothing to support the idea that they "mostly gave up developing him". You're also claiming that his failure to develop was because he got pushed down. I disagree. He got pushed down because of his failure to develop. And I just showed that was the case.

 

[DaBruinz]

This is all assuming the roster doesn’t change. I suspect it will.

No. I wasn't assuming anything. I was pointing out what the Snap Counts were for the WRs lining in the slot.

I was pointing out what the case is for the roster here and now. That's not an assumption. That's reality.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

What I find interesting about your "analysis" is that you talk about speed and quickness and guys getting jammed, but you talk about 40 speeds. The 40time is about LONG speed. You should be evaluating the players based on their 10 yd split if you're going to talk about guys getting jammed at the line. So, I took the liberty of looking those times up for you.

Chism - 10yd - 1.62; 3C - 6.77
Welker - 10ydl - 1.60 ; 3C - 7.01
Edelman - 10yd - 1.52; 3C 6.62
Kupp - 10yd - 1.57; 3C 6.52 (over 60% snaps from Slot with the except of his year in SEA)
Anquan Boldin - 10yd - 1.61; 3C - 7.35
Jaxson Smith-Njigba - 10yd 1.65 ; 3C 6.57 (23/24 primarily slot; 2025 primarily wide)
Puka Nacua - 10yd- 1.62; 3C- 7.32
Amon-Ra St. Brown - 10yd - 1.63; 3C - 6.90 (Primarily slot)
Michael Wilson - 10yd - 1.60; 3C- 6.81 (primarily wide)
Jakobi Meyers -10yd- 1.60; 3C - 7.07 (has played both)
Nico Collins - 10td 1.55; 3C - 6.79 (primarily wide)


As you can see, I took the liberty of adding a few extra guys who had similar 10yd splits and 3Cs who have been successful in the NFL. I added both guys who played primarily Wide and those who played in the slot. Because those playing Wide get jammed at the LOS the same way that Slot guys do.

Would you care to amend your "analysis"? Or are you going to stick to something that is clearly flawed?

You don't understand. You never change your opinion. There is no reason to engage in a discussion with you.

 

[moosekill]

Bringing in a bunch of UDFAs is just another layer to the roster building process.

Vrabel said he’s trying to make the team better, faster, younger. We should see that he values those qualities more than he values any specific players, including Douglas Boutte Williams and Chism.

They brought in a bunch of younger faster cheaper candidates to see if they were also better. That has nothing to do with not being committed to present or past roster players. No NFL team is committed to any of their present players over replacing them if it makes the team better, except as contracts require.

Exactly. And they have a chance to take a look at them all before deciding how much to spend on Diggs or Brown. I’d be okay if neither Diggs or Brown ends up here, because it says Vrabel and his minions believe that the best value for the team is younger faster cheaper players, and I’m fine with that.

Tomato tomato, they aren’t as enamored with what they have as are some of the posters here, understand that wide receiver college performance is often based on a range of factors and is really hard to judge, and figure why not throw a bunch against the wall. They targeted players who for the most part are very athletic, and hope they hit the lottery. Especially if they get Brown or Diggs or both they are playing with house money with the rest, relatively high floor low ceiling. Look at how many of the #1 wr’s in the league weren’t drafted in the 1st round vs how many of the 1st round wrs end up sucking.

 

[rkarp1]

I understand that you're delusional and don't understand the difference between what you said and what reality actually is.

YOUR CLAIM: :Chism returned kicks and saw some offensive snaps in 2 blow out wins"

REALITY: Chism saw offensive snaps in EVERY GAME he played in. Including 2 play-off games where he saw 14 and 22 offensive snaps.

You literally don't understand no one is trying to CONVINCE you of anything. What people are doing is correcting your blatant lies.

you screen shot the stats yourself.
he was inactive for 9 games
for 3 games he saw 2 offensive snaps
for 2 additional games he saw 4 and 5 offensive snaps
he played in 2 blowout wins, and when Hollins was injured
your lie is that you make him out to seeing offensive playing time. he never did other than the blowout wins

 

[Wozzy]

Jam Miller has the build and general speed to be a KR. Jennings is a JAG at best.

I agree about Jennings, but I was referring to Lan Larison and Myles Montgomery as Jam Miller’s competition.

 

[Wozzy]

No. I wasn't assuming anything. I was pointing out what the Snap Counts were for the WRs lining in the slot.

I was pointing out what the case is for the roster here and now. That's not an assumption. That's reality.

AJ Brown is the worst kept secret in the NFL. I guess it depends if you think Diana Russini had a solid source. Boutte, Hollins and Douglas are also up for new contracts… nothing is certain here.

 

[Wozzy]

you screen shot the stats yourself.
he was inactive for 9 games
for 3 games he saw 2 offensive snaps
for 2 additional games he saw 4 and 5 offensive snaps
he played in 2 blowout wins, and when Hollins was injured
your lie is that you make him out to seeing offensive playing time. he never did other than the blowout wins

He played well when he played, that’s all that matters.

 

[Wozzy]

You don't understand. You never change your opinion. There is no reason to engage in a discussion with you.

Will you change your mind if Chism becomes a productive NFL slot receiver, here or elsewhere?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Will you change your mind if Chism becomes a productive NFL slot receiver, here or elsewhere?

Is Braxton Berrios a productive NFL slot receiver?

 

[Wozzy]

Is Braxton Berrios a productive NFL slot receiver?

I didn’t ask about Berrios, but he did make an All Pro team as a return man.

Let’s use Danny Amendola as a barometer. Multiple seasons of 60-70 catches with 600-700 yards. That would be successful in the slot.