OT: Report: Lamar Jackson is wearing out his welcome in Baltimore

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Wait, Ravens aren’t mathematically eliminated from the playoffs?

 

[DaBruinz]

I think Yahoo Sports News just did an article suggesting that Jackson could be traded this off-season.. That would be a shocker...

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I think Yahoo Sports News just did an article suggesting that Jackson could be traded this off-season.. That would be a shocker...

Picture if a team like LA Rams got him. Stafford could play one or two final years on another team and Rams probably stay relevant another 4-6 years and keep their championship window open.

 

[condon84]

Is late-period, injury-prone, checked-out Lamar a superstar QB?

I don't think so, and I think a lot of Ravens fans feel the same too.

I live here in MD and believe me when I say this, Lamar is beloved as much as any athlete is beloved by their fan base. Getting rid of Lamar will shock this fan base on the same level as Mavs fans when they traded Luka.

 

[Grogan14]

Yeah, that’s kind of as close as I can find. But when Reid was fired, Vick was 32 and clearly toward the end. They hadn’t won a playoff game in several years and had had two losing seasons.

That feels pretty different from having a younger MVP-level QB and a coach who had the team deep in the playoffs the year prior.

I think if any team might make a change, it might be the Bengals. But the team is so cheap, they probably won’t want to pay two coaches at once.

and after Reid was fired by the Eagles he was hired immediately by chiefs.
Elite fired coaches do not stay unemployed for long.

 

[lancerman]

Wait, Ravens aren’t mathematically eliminated from the playoffs?

No because the AFC North is still a free for all. Baltimore plays Pittsburgh next week. So theoretically if the Steelers lose to the Browns (not likely) then the division comes down to next week.

 

[Grogan14]

I live here in MD and believe me when I say this, Lamar is beloved as much as any athlete is beloved by their fan base. Getting rid of Lamar will shock this fan base on the same level as Mavs fans when they traded Luka.

I do not see the Ravens being dumb enough to trade LJ.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Personally, I think from this point, Lamar is headed down the Russell Wilson Expressway. Guys like this don't gradually wind down. They fall off a cliff.

 

[Bill Lee]

I live here in MD and believe me when I say this, Lamar is beloved as much as any athlete is beloved by their fan base. Getting rid of Lamar will shock this fan base on the same level as Mavs fans when they traded Luka.

I agree, but that shows they are acting from emotion and not logic.

Luka was/is still in his prime.

Lamar is a very physical player whose performances are declining as he gets older and his injuries mount.

As @BennyBledsoe posted, this is more of a Russell Wilson situation than a Luka Doncic situation.

Seattle fans didn't want to see Russ go, but the price they paid was a few years of meh football.

 

[Bill Lee]

Belichick clearly didn't approve of Mayo making that deal with Kraft, that's why he shut him out. There are ethical lines drawn in every business, imo Mayo crossed one when he made that deal without Belichick signing off on it.

As we all admit, none of us know the entirety of the situation, but are putting together the tea leaves in different combinations.

IMO if we are diving into the ethics of the situation it was obvious that BB was grooming his son to be HC of the NEP, something commonly known as nepotism.

IMO Mayo probably knew if he went to BB and had a man-to-man it would not change the situation at all.

And for all we know, maybe he did but neither want to admit it.

Given Mayo knew BB would never approve, if he wanted to be HC of the NEP he had to get the owner on his side, so that's what he did.

To me on the ethical scale going around your boss's back to his boss is a similar offense to greasing the skids so your son to would be your successor.

Bill absolutely does not have the moral high ground, IMO.

The bottom line is BB wanted his son as the next HC, he didn't get what he wanted, so he blue-balled Mayo.

A more well-rounded individual would realize it is the owner who has final say and the best thing for his legacy would be to help set Mayo up to do well, but as we all now know, Bill is an *******, especially when he's taking Fat Mike's advice.

At the end of the day we dodged the Bill and Bunny and related grifters circus and ended up with Vrabel, Maye, McDaniels etc, so we have nothing to complain about.

 

[Huckleberry1]

As we all admit, none of us know the entirety of the situation, but are putting together the tea leaves in different combinations.

IMO if we are diving into the ethics of the situation it was obvious that BB was grooming his son to be HC of the NEP, something commonly known as nepotism.

IMO Mayo probably knew if he went to BB and had a man-to-man it would not change the situation at all.

And for all we know, maybe he did but neither want to admit it.

Given Mayo knew BB would never approve, if he wanted to be HC of the NEP he had to get the owner on his side, so that's what he did.

To me on the ethical scale going around your boss's back to his boss is a similar offense to greasing the skids so your son to would be your successor.

Bill absolutely does not have the moral high ground, IMO.

The bottom line is BB wanted his son as the next HC, he didn't get what he wanted, so he blue-balled Mayo.

A more well-rounded individual would realize it is the owner who has final say and the best thing for his legacy would be to help set Mayo up to do well, but as we all now know, Bill is an *******, especially when he's taking Fat Mike's advice.

At the end of the day we dodged the Bill and Bunny and related grifters circus and ended up with Vrabel, Maye, McDaniels etc, so we have nothing to complain about.

The problem with that is that we have evidence Kraft made a deal with Mayo, but no evidence that Belichick was teeing it up for Stephen. It could well be true, we just don't have any proof of it, The other problem with it is that Belichick had to get Kraft's approval for Stephen become coach, so no matter how high he teed it up for Stephen Kraft had to hire him, which would be going through proper channels, and as such ethical,

 

[Bill Lee]

The problem with that is that we have evidence Kraft made a deal with Mayo, but no evidence that Belichick was teeing it up for Stephen. It could well be true, we just don't have any proof of it,

I think we can all see how he hired his son when there was a sea of other candidates, and gave him steady promotions. Plus now he made him his DC at UNC. That's not proof, but it's a steady trend line.

The other problem with it is that Belichick had to get Kraft's approval for Stephen become coach, so no matter how high he teed it up for Stephen Kraft had to hire him, which would be going through proper channels, and as such ethical,

IMO the son being there in the first place isn't ethical. Lots of companies have rules that relatives can't work for relatives never mind father/son. NFL has looked the other way, but IMO it's a bad look.

 

[TommyD4207]

I think we can all see how he hired his son when there was a sea of other candidates, and gave him steady promotions. Plus now he made him his DC at UNC. That's not proof, but it's a steady trend line.



IMO the son being there in the first place isn't ethical. Lots of companies have rules that relatives can't work for relatives never mind father/son. NFL has looked the other way, but IMO it's a bad look.

The NFL has looked the other way since the NFL was invented. Look at SF's head coach tonight, right now, for example.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think we can all see how he hired his son when there was a sea of other candidates, and gave him steady promotions. Plus now he made him his DC at UNC. That's not proof, but it's a steady trend line.



IMO the son being there in the first place isn't ethical. Lots of companies have rules that relatives can't work for relatives never mind father/son. NFL has looked the other way, but IMO it's a bad look.

In what industry is it unethical to hire family? It's commonplace in business, the trades, the arts, sports etc... it may not always be the wisest decision but I haven't seen it described as unethical. And in this case you could actually argue that Stephen was doing a better job than his father the last 5 years.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think we can all see how he hired his son when there was a sea of other candidates, and gave him steady promotions. Plus now he made him his DC at UNC. That's not proof, but it's a steady trend line.



IMO the son being there in the first place isn't ethical. Lots of companies have rules that relatives can't work for relatives never mind father/son. NFL has looked the other way, but IMO it's a bad look.

The only rule I know of in that regard is dating, and that is rarely enforced as well.

 

[Bill Lee]

In what industry is it unethical to hire family? It's commonplace in business, the trades, the arts, sports etc... it may not always be the wisest decision but I haven't seen it described as unethical. And in this case you could actually argue that Stephen was doing a better job than his father the last 5 years.

Nepotism is a thing.





I was in high tech for a few different name brand companies, and family hiring family was definitely against policy.

If it happened via merger/acquisition, family could not work in the same department.

If co-workers in the same department married, one had to move to a different department.

As above, the issue was the perception of favoritism.

Other people didn't want to work for places where their co-workers had a fast path to the top that they couldn't access.

 

[DC Patriots]

I live here in MD and believe me when I say this, Lamar is beloved as much as any athlete is beloved by their fan base. Getting rid of Lamar will shock this fan base on the same level as Mavs fans when they traded Luka.

I’d second this. There is zero media grumbling around here that Lamar has done anything like wear out his welcome.

This is also a team really set up to win now, around a rapidly closing window. You don’t pay Mark Andrews and Derrick Henry if you’re planning on blowing it all up for draft picks

 

[Huckleberry1]

Nepotism is a thing.





I was in high tech for a few different name brand companies, and family hiring family was definitely against policy.

If it happened via merger/acquisition, family could not work in the same department.

If co-workers in the same department married, one had to move to a different department.

As above, the issue was the perception of favoritism.

Other people didn't want to work for places where their co-workers had a fast path to the top that they couldn't access.

Ok, that an industry that doesn't allow it, but the truth is that many other businesses are fine with, including sports.

I'll leave it at that as I'm not really interested in turning this into a long back and forth about it. We disagree on it and I'm fine with that.

 

[Wozzy]

Mayo should have hired Belichick jr, his defense wouldn’t have gone from one of the league’s best to one of it’s worst.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Mayo should have hired Belichick jr, his defense wouldn’t have gone from one of the league’s best to one of it’s worst.

Jr. was done dirty by Mayo. Not only does Mayo leapfrog Jr. for no reason, but then rubs it in by having Covington leapfrog Jr. as the new DC. The nerve of Mayo to ask Jr. to stay on with a demotion was something else. Bob righted a massive wrong after 2024.