NFL News League Filing Grievance Against Player’s Union Over Annual Surveys

[Ring 6]

You meant to say “moron”??

No.

 

[Vindicate]

lol. They exist therefore they took the steps you want to say they took.

So your argument is that the NFLPA thinks players are mistreated regarding facilities, free food, etc and have fought through collective bargaining for decades to improve it, but gave in every time, so instead decided they would create a survey their members could fill about how management treats them so they could publicly expose how bad all the free stuff they get is, and create sympathy among the general population who feel they are oppressed by low quality free stuff while being paid millions, and that will show them? Seriously?

The onus isn’t what you want the onus to be. But to clarify you are equating NFL players with “organized workers” who gained benefits by public pressure. You think that the public is as sympathetic toward quarterbacks as they are toward coal miners?

Look I understand you owe your paycheck to unions. Good for you.
But this tactic is ill conceived and ineffective for the NFLPA.

Lmao, not sure how else to tell ya other than you're projecting your own uninformed vision onto reality and hoping it fits. It doesn't. I took fair measure and provided evidence, material, and you're resorting to "well lol it's your job."

I'm done here.

 

[Steve102]

No.

 

[maust]

Land war in Asia man. That's why some of us number our responses

 

[Ring 6]

I corrected it. It was supposed to say “someone”

 

[Ring 6]

Lmao, not sure how else to tell ya other than you're projecting your own uninformed vision onto reality and hoping it fits. It doesn't. I took fair measure and provided evidence, material, and you're resorting to "well lol it's your job."

I'm done here.

But you didn’t provide evidence, and material you gave your opinion.
Your opinion is heavily pro union biased, I’m sure you would admit that.
Mine is entirely neutral.

 

[RobertWeathers]

There is no such thing as neutral on this issue.

You either believe the owners have the justification to squelch the NFLPA or they don't.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

I find too many fans (Not you of course, but the rest of em) look at players like they're video game characters, and not actual human beings who have feelings and can suffer pain. Anything that helps the players get better medical/training/facilities is a good thing in my book, which of course is why the league is opposing it.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

Public pressure is one hundred percent a viable tool to force an employer's hand, not sure how else to put this. I am a union organizer. Now it's certainly something you don't resort to before exhausting other lanes, but it is a tool.

Solidarity forever!

 

[Vindicate]

Solidarity forever!

Same to you, my friend.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

The players are millionaires, the owners are BILLIONAIRES. I cannot stress how huge a gap that is.

Let's say you're doing pretty good for yourself as a normal human being...let's say 200K a year. That's pretty respectable. 200,000 x 1,000. 200,000,000 a year is the equivalent gap between a millionaire and billionaire.

Reversing the gap... let's say we'll go for a nice 10,000,000 dollar a year player. 10,000,000 / 1,000. 10,000 a year for an average guy would be the same gap.

 

[maust]

There is no such thing as neutral on this issue.

I'm sorry but maybe you didn't notice, the previous poster declared, declared mind you, he was in fact 'neutral.'

 

[Sect140]

As you said you try everything else first. Why? Because it has negative consequences and is dubious in its effectiveness.
The NFLPA certainly hasn’t exhausted all of it other lanes.


I recognize they THINK owners will give in if the public thinks they are cheap, but I think they are wrong, and the real consequence of airing dirty laundry publicly is that it can cause fans to leave the sport.

Ask baseball how the fans responded to publicly exposing owners as “cheap”. It cause many lifelong fans to turn away because of the greed.

Well Kraft after seeing where he landed on the first survey is spending a lot more money in and around the facility. I think what scared Kraft is not what the players thought but what the fans thought. I think fans should know if their owner isn’t doing all they can do to better the team.

 

[Ring 6]

Well Kraft after seeing where he landed on the first survey is spending a lot more money in and around the facility. I think what scared Kraft is not what the players thought but what the fans thought. I think fans should know if their owner isn’t doing all they can do to better the team.

I don’t buy that. If Kraft cared about the fans opinions he would have handled a lot of things differently. Deflategate, hiring Mayo, fighting a media war to claim credit for the dynasty, etc etc

 

[Ring 6]

There is no such thing as neutral on this issue.

You either believe the owners have the justification to squelch the NFLPA or they don't.

Of course there is.
You don’t have to have a bias toward either side to have an opinion about the topic.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm sorry but maybe you didn't notice, the previous poster declared, declared mind you, he was in fact 'neutral.'

Because I am. I hang no horse in the race. I am looking at this from a neutral viewpoint and forming an opinion.
Being neutral doesn’t mean you don’t have an opinion, it means you have no bias.
Honestly I don’t care at all about either the owners or the NFLPA

 

[Pape]

sunshine is the best disinfectant

what are the owners afraid of? Getting called out? Sometimes those walking the halls of power need to be tweaked a time or two... and honestly, these surveys don't make a dent in the public consciousness... the stories get published, and within a week it disappears from the twitterverse, replaced by the next story and the one after that...

the NEP are one of the most valuable franchises in the league ... last year the survey gave their weight room an F...
"The Patriots are the only team in the NFL with a majority of players feeling that their team’s facility is worse than places they could train offsite"

when your weight room is worse than your local Golds Gym or Planet Fitness, that needs to be addressed... and if it takes the public airing of grievances to get it done, so be it... and lo and behold, what happened? The team is getting a brand new Training facility, set to open next year...

If you are arguing for the owners, i don't know what to tell you except that I'm baffled as to why because none of the rationales posted here make any sort of sense...

 

[1960Pats]

sunshine is the best disinfectant

what are the owners afraid of?

They're afraid of the costs. The size of the food bill for a football team has to be high.

If I'm an owner I'm also afraid of the negative attention that could keep FAs away.

 

[Pape]

They're afraid of the costs. The size of the food bill for a football team has to be high.

If I'm an owner I'm also afraid of the negative attention that could keep FAs away.

The costs? Negligible in the scope of things...

Negative attention that could keep free agents away? Is it not understood that players talk to players about other teams regardless? That the negative information is out there already, circulating thru the player and agent ranks?

Addressing these short comings is just the cost of doing business.

Packers' profits from operations rise 39.3% as they get $432.6 million from NFL in national revenue

I'm not worried about the cost of food... or of day care... or of treating player families correctly... take care of business and you won't have to worry about negative attention keeping free agents away

 

[Family]

The union can't even protect the greatest player in history from a manufactured lie by the league. Some partnership.

In baseball the greatest player was knee deep in gambling around him, and it's not even investigated.

But defend ownership when 2/3rds of the league is either on a minimum or rookie contract.

It's pathetic this is even an issue that the players feel they need to handle on their own.