PostGame Thread OFFICIAL POSTGAME THREAD: Patriots Beat Titans 31-13

[Real fan 02]

The only real point I'm gleaning from you is that you're stuck in the past. Your examples would make some objective sense if Jones was still playing for the Giants, but since he isn't, these fluff articles are ultimately useless.

It's not hard to figure out that the Jones-era giants was a train wreck and a certain regression to the mean is expected if Jones is playing for an average organization rather than a terrible one.

Throw in the obvious advantage given to players once they begin to regain their confidence in themselves and their teammates, and the rest isn't hard to put together.

Let me say this. You have your opinion and I have mine. Yes I'm looking at the body of work. Jones had one season where he showed potentially why he was drafted these are facts not my words.. he had nabers, Barkley.. during his time in NYG. He is reviving his career seemingly in indy.. they are playing well and the top seed in the AFC right now. All im saying is when teams get in the postseason it's a different beast.. for example we broke NFL records in 2007.. Brady was historically great. We saw Jax in the divisional round and squeezed by them
Then a hard fought game against LA in the AFCCG with rivers on an ACL.. we all know what happened in the superbowl..

Using that example of the difference of the regular season as opposed to the playoffs.. all I'm saying.

 

[Real fan 02]

You think you're saying that Jones is what he is.

What I'm hearing from you is that Jones is what he used to be.

That's the distinction I'm struggling with. He clearly is not what he used to be. The difference in confidence, consistency and efficiency is palpable, and that's fact rather than opinion.

We'll see who's right in January.

I'm not going to ever say players can't improve. Geno Smith had a resurgence later in his career, sam darnold. Jones showed this type of ability before when he was with the giants. Nationally Colts are getting thier respect as they do have the best record in the AFC and maybe the NFL right? Teams like KC and Buffalo are battle tested teams with future HOF QBs. In the postseason the pressure is on. It comes down to the QB'S. Whichever QB elevates his team typically will prevail.

 

[Simpelton]

Jones had a couple chances to prove he was the old Jones, against Denver, which has flaws but can give a QB all kinds of trouble on a good day, and against Arizona where their depleted defense was making Brissett look like Tom Brady out there, Jones had to put the team on his back and finish decisive drives in order to put his team in position to win. both times he executed flawlessly.

This is the thing. Jones has not been a passenger in this offense. Yes, he does have a very good rushing attack that he's making efficient use of. He also has an elite offensive line that makes his life easier. he's taken full advantage of these assets to finish the drive in front of him, which is literally all you can ask of a guy like that.

It's one thing to say yeah, this is a good offense with enormous amounts of non-QB talent. And it is, that's fair. They're setting all-time records out there. But you don't reach this level of offensive efficiency without ALL the pieces working together at an elite level. Needless to say, that includes the quarterback. You can have a GOOD offense with a mediocre QB holding his water out there, that's pretty much what the 9ers have going on at the moment, but to get elite numbers, everyone has to be carrying more than their own weight.

 

[Simpelton]

I'm not going to ever say players can't improve. Geno Smith had a resurgence later in his career, sam darnold. Jones showed this type of ability before when he was with the giants. Nationally Colts are getting thier respect as they do have the best record in the AFC and maybe the NFL right? Teams like KC and Buffalo are battle tested teams with future HOF QBs. In the postseason the pressure is on. It comes down to the QB'S. Whichever QB elevates his team typically will prevail.

That's completely fair. What I balk at is the idea that a guy like Jones can't learn to become that kind of player. Let's not forget that Jones is also a playoff veteran with a win under his belt It's not like he's never been there before.

I just don't like the idea of dismissing anyone, whether it's Jones or any other quarterback, as being a nobody just because they played for a terrible organization. We all know that that isn't true. We all know that if you put a talented guy (and they're all talented if they're in the NFL at all) in the right situation magic can happen for them. the examples are too numerous to count.

And I'll say this as well. Jones plays NFL football in my preferred way. Rather than big flashy plays, he's quick, accurate and consistent. Even in his Giants era he never had a completion rate of below 60%. He's roughly the same kind of QB as a passer as a guy we oughta know pretty well on this forum considering the rings he won for us, he was just in a terrible situation to showcase that ability. Now he isn't.

 

[Real fan 02]

Jones had a couple chances to prove he was the old Jones, against Denver, which has flaws but can give a QB all kinds of trouble on a good day, and against Arizona where their depleted defense was making Brissett look like Tom Brady out there, Jones had to put the team on his back and finish decisive drives in order to put his team in position to win. both times he executed flawlessly.

This is the thing. Jones has not been a passenger in this offense. Yes, he does have a very good rushing attack that he's making efficient use of. He also has an elite offensive line that makes his life easier. he's taken full advantage of these assets to finish the drive in front of him, which is literally all you can ask of a guy like that.

It's one thing to say yeah, this is a good offense with enormous amounts of non-QB talent. And it is, that's fair. They're setting all-time records out there. But you don't reach this level of offensive efficiency without ALL the pieces working together at an elite level. Needless to say, that includes the quarterback. You can have a GOOD offense with a mediocre QB holding his water out there, that's pretty much what the 9ers have going on at the moment, but to get elite numbers, everyone has to be carrying more than their own weight.

Agreed with you. The reason Jones isn't being regarded in the same breath as say Mahomes and drake.. is because we don't have a potent rushing attack and those QB are elevating the players around them. Not say Jones isn't doing that.. but QBS as you know get evaluted on thier abilities to elevate thier teams and wins. Jones is winning so have to give him credit for that.

 

[Real fan 02]

That's completely fair. What I balk at is the idea that a guy like Jones can't learn to become that kind of player. Let's not forget that Jones is also a playoff veteran with a win under his belt It's not like he's never been there before.

I just don't like the idea of dismissing anyone, whether it's Jones or any other quarterback, as being a nobody just because they played for a terrible organization. We all know that that isn't true. We all know that if you put a talented guy (and they're all talented if they're in the NFL at all) in the right situation magic can happen for them. the examples are too numerous to count.

And I'll say this as well. Jones plays NFL football in my preferred way. Rather than big flashy plays, he's quick, accurate and consistent. Even in his Giants era he never had a completion rate of below 60%. He's roughly the same kind of QB as a passer as a guy we oughta know pretty well on this forum considering the rings he won for us, he was just in a terrible situation to showcase that ability. Now he isn't.

Understand. With the elite running game he has that brand of football is benefiting his team. For example if you look around the league and see how a teams offense is constructed teams with elite running games indy, Atlanta for example don't ask thier QBs to do more than manage the game.

With us we have a great young QB that is becoming elite while raising those around him. With essential a marginal running game. Jones is in a good situation for where he's at in his career and he's thriving in the situation.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Colts have drafted some ELITE offensive players. They have the best record in the league right now.

 

[PatsFan2]

Colts offense is operating at a historic pace under Daniel Jones. In terms of points per drive they are outscoring the 2007 Patriots offense which is insane. Looks like he just needed the right situation to succeed. What a turnaround for his career!

Seems almost unbelievable: that have to be because of Jonathan Taylor. Though their WR's have been very good: Our 2007 Team never had an Elite RB like Taylor.

 

[PatsFan2]

Colts have drafted some ELITE offensive players. They have the best record in the league right now.

Could they beat Mahomes in the playoffs though?? KC's have their Offenses pieces back together with two Patriots castoffs contributing. Somebody on here was trying to tell me that the Chargers are the Best Team in the AFC West. They're probably hiding under a rock now. Mahomes and Chiefs are still the Team to beat and will continue to b!tch slap that Division.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

It's a fun side-exercise to think about who'll be runner-up to the Pats, Indy or KC.

But honestly, I see no reason to bet against this New England Patriots team, fallible though it may be. Yeah I want a patch or two more on the O-line, and yeah we'll see real tests on defense toward the end of the season, not now. But they knocked off the Bills for the division lead and I don't think they're giving it back. And if you think Drake doesn't get higher pressure contests, you're not paying attention. We're early in his sophomore year, and he might still have another leap to take -- that's effing scary.

 

[Real fan 02]

Colts have drafted some ELITE offensive players. They have the best record in the league right now.

Taylor, Pittman and Nelson.. Nelson and Taylor are definitely sure fire all pros at thier positions. Pittman is a good wr. Everything is predicated off the running game. The question will be when a team dedicates ls thier defense to stopping Taylor what happens then..

 

[Real fan 02]

Seems almost unbelievable: that have to be because of Jonathan Taylor. Though their WR's have been very good: Our 2007 Team never had an Elite RB like Taylor.

Look at our offense in the 2007 post season as opposed to the regular season.. we struggled against Jax and SD in AFCCG.. we know what happened in SB..

 

[VJCPatriot]

Could they beat Mahomes in the playoffs though?? KC's have their Offenses pieces back together with two Patriots castoffs contributing. Somebody on here was trying to tell me that the Chargers are the Best Team in the AFC West. They're probably hiding under a rock now. Mahomes and Chiefs are still the Team to beat and will continue to b!tch slap that Division.

Just dreaming but the best case scenario would be for the Colts to knock out the Chiefs. And then we face the Colts in the AFCCG. That's pie in the sky right now. But for the first time in years I feel like we can make the playoffs and possibly be competitive.

 

[Real fan 02]

It's a fun side-exercise to think about who'll be runner-up to the Pats, Indy or KC.

But honestly, I see no reason to bet against this New England Patriots team, fallible though it may be. Yeah I want a patch or two more on the O-line, and yeah we'll see real tests on defense toward the end of the season, not now. But they knocked off the Bills for the division lead and I don't think they're giving it back. And if you think Drake doesn't get higher pressure contests, you're not paying attention. We're early in his sophomore year, and he might still have another leap to take -- that's effing scary.

Didn't Taylor have a season like this before? They lost at Buffalo? That year.? It's always going to come down the the QB.. for example Lamar folds in the postseason as does Herbert. Allen has been close and Mahomes is a winning QB.

Regular season success is awesome and is basically all about playoff position. For us to be in this situation is such a revelation that we are in the position we are.

For example does Tampa Bay look like a formidable opponent now? No Godwin or Evans? We play our game we can beat anyone.

 

[PatsFan2]

Just dreaming but the best case scenario would be for the Colts to knock out the Chiefs. And then we face the Colts in the AFCCG. That's pie in the sky right now. But for the first time in years I feel like we can make the playoffs and possibly be competitive.

We need to make some moves though.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Look at our offense in the 2007 post season as opposed to the regular season.. we struggled against Jax and SD in AFCCG.. we know what happened in SB..

JAX had a stacked defensive line that year. The Giants also had maybe one of the best and deepest pass rushing lines of all time that year anchored by Strahan. It's not like they were playing cream puffs and the offense suddenly nose dived.

Playoff football is always a different animal because you are playing the best of the best by then. No game is easy to win. That takes away nothing from regular season accomplishments.

 

[Real fan 02]

JAX had a stacked defensive line that year. The Giants also had maybe one of the top pass rushing lines of all time that year anchored by Strahan. It's not like they were playing cream puffs and the offense suddenly nose dived.

Playoff football is always a different animal because you are playing the best of the best by then. No game is easy to win. That takes away nothing from regular season accomplishments.

Agreed. Just making the point as you also made that.. postseason is always a different animal. Our defense had 50 sacks in 2007.. however David Gerrard was having his way until Rodney made the INT.. that game was close. The chargers went toe to toe with us in the AFCCG.. rivers on an ACL.. Vince said he went over to congratulate him just for even playing.. on it..

just making the point that what you do in the regular season teams have a whole 17 games film.. we weren't the same offense in the postseason that year.

 

[VJCPatriot]

We need to make some moves though.

We don't have a lot of gaping holes though. Add a decent veteran deep safety to shore up the defense and a rotational pass rusher and this defense will be very solid.

On offense maybe another IOL to shore up the guard situation or a veteran WR to make some big catches.

I'm thinking if we get two solid vets that could do a lot to increase our ability to compete down the stretch.

 

[Simpelton]

It's a fun side-exercise to think about who'll be runner-up to the Pats, Indy or KC.

But honestly, I see no reason to bet against this New England Patriots team, fallible though it may be. Yeah I want a patch or two more on the O-line, and yeah we'll see real tests on defense toward the end of the season, not now. But they knocked off the Bills for the division lead and I don't think they're giving it back. And if you think Drake doesn't get higher pressure contests, you're not paying attention. We're early in his sophomore year, and he might still have another leap to take -- that's effing scary.

I'd be relatively confident running into either the Colts or the Chiefs, but the Colts worry me just that little bit more, because they are, in my opinion, more of a complete team. Especially on offfense, but their defense is nothing to sneeze at either.

 

[Real fan 02]

Could they beat Mahomes in the playoffs though?? KC's have their Offenses pieces back together with two Patriots castoffs contributing. Somebody on here was trying to tell me that the Chargers are the Best Team in the AFC West. They're probably hiding under a rock now. Mahomes and Chiefs are still the Team to beat and will continue to b!tch slap that Division.

Injuries with a 17 game season are paramount to a teams success. Look at Baltimore 2 seasons ago where Lamar didn't play and they lost to cincy.. Indy have a elite running game... the flip side is Taylor had this type of season before with accomplished playoff battle tested QB rivers.. Buffalo beat them in postseason remember?