NFL Trade Deadline Discourse

[PatsFan2]

I wouldn’t mind Njoku, but that’s definitely not a priority at the moment. Safety, Edge, RB, WR & LB usurp our “need” for a TE. If anything, we need to get younger in the off-season at the position.

I don't know why Jack Westover is even on the Active Roster. He should be on the Streets and that's being kind. Regarding David Njoku he might have few good years left: he's still younger than H Henry and Hooper. He shouldn't cost us more than maybe a Fifth.

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

Anything good on the twitterface's?

 

[Love The Drake]

I wouldn’t mind Njoku, but that’s definitely not a priority at the moment. Safety, Edge, RB, WR & LB usurp our “need” for a TE. If anything, we need to get younger in the off-season at the position.

I’m hesitant to bring any receivers, tight ends as well that does not have a background In McDaniels systems.
That being said the AJ Brown move if it happens is two reasons for me. One they see him as a long term fit.

Two keeps him from playing pitch and catch with Josh Allen.

Olave or Brown going to Buff is bad news for us.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

If im trading for anything itd probably be lb /edge, not sure if theres anything out there. Those are the clear areas of need to me that don’t have a solution right now. Maybe safety too, hawkins might get better but another brainfart in buffalo led to a walk in td. And id want someone i know will be contributing at least 3 years or so, not trying to do anything specifically for this year. Tricky thing with Edge rushers too is they can hit a cliff anytime after 30.

Not to say offense doesn’t have needs. I just see alot of very young additions at wr/rb/ol that we don’t know exactly what we have yet and rather let this season play out and evaluate. And unless you’re trading for saquon or bijan robinson, im not sure a rb trade will help much right now. Rather hold onto those resources and stick with what we have or the waiver wire.

 

[PatsFan2]

I’m hesitant to bring any receivers, tight ends as well that does not have a background In McDaniels systems.
That being said the AJ Brown move if it happens is two reasons for me. One they see him as a long term fit.

Two keeps him from playing pitch and catch with Josh Allen.

Olave or Brown going to Buff is bad news for us.

I don't think Bills have a chance at Brown; like many other Teams. But Chris Olave that's a different story if he stays concussion free. I disagree with some PatsFans regarding him. It would be gamble but he's Ohio State WR: Olave is a Volume Receiver who would be like Wes Welker in Josh McDaniels Offense. I would pass on A.J. Brown if we can get Chris Olave.

 

[PatsFan2]

I’m hesitant to bring any receivers, tight ends as well that does not have a background In McDaniels systems.
That being said the AJ Brown move if it happens is two reasons for me. One they see him as a long term fit.

Two keeps him from playing pitch and catch with Josh Allen.

Olave or Brown going to Buff is bad news for us.

I'm sure the Bills are making calls with the turn of events. Chris Olave and Kincaid would be just what Allen needs to go over the Top: or get to a SB.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Is Brandon Aiyuk or George Kittle coming back??

Kittle could be coming back soon, but I don't think they have any idea when Aiyuk will return.

 

[PatsFan2]

Kittle could be coming back soon, but I don't think they have any idea when Aiyuk will return.

Brandon Aiyuk would be a year removed from that knee injury: I would be interested in him next Offseason. He'll be 28 next year still in his prime.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

My issue with the WR position is that I don't think any of Hollins/Douglas/Kyle Williams/Chism are legit guys for the 3 WR package, which is one of the "base" formations you need. Diggs/Boutte are good but you need to be able to run a 3 WR set and feel you have legit guys in all 3 spots IMO.

Hollins is a good blocker and big body, but I don't think he should be a top 3 WR. He's a #4 who does some STs and package player on offense.

Douglas is a darling in the eyes of many, but I just don't see it. He made two big plays deep last game (one called back confusingly of course). The first one was a great, normal play which is awesome. The one called back was a broken play - still awesome, but it doesn't really highlight the concern I have about how he plays down after down. I don't see someone who consistently does the right thing as a WR. That's not sustainable as a top 3 WR IMO.

Kyle Williams hasn't looked good when he's out there. Maybe a readiness thing but whatever it is, he shouldn't be an option this year.

Chism is another fan favorite but there's no indication that as an UDFA rookie he's good enough for that role at this time.

It's not the end of the world if they keep running with the Hollins/Douglas combo as the #3 WR, but there's no reason they shouldn't be actively looking for a more suitable #3 option. Obviously a guy who's ahead of Boutte or even Diggs would be awesome, but doesn't need to be that drastic. Someone who's better than Hollins and more dependable than Douglas would be nice.

 

[signbabybrady]

Brandon Aiyuk would be a year removed from that knee injury: I would be interested in him next Offseason. He'll be 28 next year still in his prime.

I'd want some proof of concept first though. Let some other team pay up before knowing how he returns.

Not saying I'm totally against it but he wouldn't by my first choice for a big contract.

 

[PatsFan2]

I'd want some proof of concept first though. Let some other team pay up before knowing how he returns.

Not saying I'm totally against it but he wouldn't by my first choice for a big contract.

Remember he signed a Big Deal with the 49ers so I'm sure he got a lot upfront. Diggs turns 32 in a little over a month: Aiyuk is a legitimate #2 when healthy: Big play threat too.

 

[PatsFan2]

My issue with the WR position is that I don't think any of Hollins/Douglas/Kyle Williams/Chism are legit guys for the 3 WR package, which is one of the "base" formations you need. Diggs/Boutte are good but you need to be able to run a 3 WR set and feel you have legit guys in all 3 spots IMO.

Hollins is a good blocker and big body, but I don't think he should be a top 3 WR. He's a #4 who does some STs and package player on offense.

Douglas is a darling in the eyes of many, but I just don't see it. He made two big plays deep last game (one called back confusingly of course). The first one was a great, normal play which is awesome. The one called back was a broken play - still awesome, but it doesn't really highlight the concern I have about how he plays down after down. I don't see someone who consistently does the right thing as a WR. That's not sustainable as a top 3 WR IMO.

Kyle Williams hasn't looked good when he's out there. Maybe a readiness thing but whatever it is, he shouldn't be an option this year.

Chism is another fan favorite but there's no indication that as an UDFA rookie he's good enough for that role at this time.

It's not the end of the world if they keep running with the Hollins/Douglas combo as the #3 WR, but there's no reason they shouldn't be actively looking for a more suitable #3 option. Obviously a guy who's ahead of Boutte or even Diggs would be awesome, but doesn't need to be that drastic. Someone who's better than Hollins and more dependable than Douglas would be nice.

Kendrick Bourne 2025 Stats per Game - NFL - ESPN

The 2025 NFL season stats per game for Kendrick Bourne of the Arizona Cardinals on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

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I was hammering the Table to keep Bourne and we just cut Him ^ loose. I felt in my bones there was something there.

 

[PatsFan2]

My issue with the WR position is that I don't think any of Hollins/Douglas/Kyle Williams/Chism are legit guys for the 3 WR package, which is one of the "base" formations you need. Diggs/Boutte are good but you need to be able to run a 3 WR set and feel you have legit guys in all 3 spots IMO.

Hollins is a good blocker and big body, but I don't think he should be a top 3 WR. He's a #4 who does some STs and package player on offense.

Douglas is a darling in the eyes of many, but I just don't see it. He made two big plays deep last game (one called back confusingly of course). The first one was a great, normal play which is awesome. The one called back was a broken play - still awesome, but it doesn't really highlight the concern I have about how he plays down after down. I don't see someone who consistently does the right thing as a WR. That's not sustainable as a top 3 WR IMO.

Kyle Williams hasn't looked good when he's out there. Maybe a readiness thing but whatever it is, he shouldn't be an option this year.

Chism is another fan favorite but there's no indication that as an UDFA rookie he's good enough for that role at this time.

It's not the end of the world if they keep running with the Hollins/Douglas combo as the #3 WR, but there's no reason they shouldn't be actively looking for a more suitable #3 option. Obviously a guy who's ahead of Boutte or even Diggs would be awesome, but doesn't need to be that drastic. Someone who's better than Hollins and more dependable than Douglas would be nice.

Preach Brother preach: though I feel Pop Douglas has arrived. I think he maybe finally getting McDaniels Offense. Your concerns on Tarzan Mack Hollins and KW are valid.

 

[Bill Lee]

Douglas is a darling in the eyes of many, but I just don't see it. He made two big plays deep last game (one called back confusingly of course). The first one was a great, normal play which is awesome. The one called back was a broken play - still awesome, but it doesn't really highlight the concern I have about how he plays down after down. I don't see someone who consistently does the right thing as a WR. That's not sustainable as a top 3 WR IMO.

Agree that he perhaps isn't reliable, but that is offset by his ability to get yards after the catch. The boy's got moves. And that's IMO what you want from WR3. What he doesn't have is heft. I have lots of flashbacks of seeing him catch the ball a yard away from the 1st down marker and getting crushed like a bug. When you need that yard, that's when you put in Hollins and not Douglas if you are in a 3WR set.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Brandon Aiyuk would be a year removed from that knee injury: I would be interested in him next Offseason. He'll be 28 next year still in his prime.

No thanks. He's a injured, has a poor work ethic and is a product of Shanahan's scheme. I've watched enough 49ers games to see that when Aiyuk is catching passes, it's not because he's shaking and baking his man on routes, it's because of Kyle's play design. He's like Brandin Cooks where they struggle when they fight for 50/50 balls.

49ers are stuck with him through 2026 at the earliest.

 

[RobertWeathers]

My issue with the WR position is that I don't think any of Hollins/Douglas/Kyle Williams/Chism are legit guys for the 3 WR package, which is one of the "base" formations you need. Diggs/Boutte are good but you need to be able to run a 3 WR set and feel you have legit guys in all 3 spots IMO.

Hollins is a good blocker and big body, but I don't think he should be a top 3 WR. He's a #4 who does some STs and package player on offense.

Douglas is a darling in the eyes of many, but I just don't see it. He made two big plays deep last game (one called back confusingly of course). The first one was a great, normal play which is awesome. The one called back was a broken play - still awesome, but it doesn't really highlight the concern I have about how he plays down after down. I don't see someone who consistently does the right thing as a WR. That's not sustainable as a top 3 WR IMO.

Kyle Williams hasn't looked good when he's out there. Maybe a readiness thing but whatever it is, he shouldn't be an option this year.

Chism is another fan favorite but there's no indication that as an UDFA rookie he's good enough for that role at this time.

It's not the end of the world if they keep running with the Hollins/Douglas combo as the #3 WR, but there's no reason they shouldn't be actively looking for a more suitable #3 option. Obviously a guy who's ahead of Boutte or even Diggs would be awesome, but doesn't need to be that drastic. Someone who's better than Hollins and more dependable than Douglas would be nice.

Yup.

Thus far they've gone 11 personnel (3WR/1TE/1RB) 46% of the time and out of that grouping passed it 76% of the time. Seems Pop is not a pure slot WR and Hollins is a last option down the field blocker.

An upgrade at WR3 would be nice but it's not killing them.....yet.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Agree that he perhaps isn't reliable, but that is offset by his ability to get yards after the catch. The boy's got moves. And that's IMO what you want from WR3. What he doesn't have is heft. I have lots of flashbacks of seeing him catch the ball a yard away from the 1st down marker and getting crushed like a bug. When you need that yard, that's when you put in Hollins and not Douglas if you are in a 3WR set.

"When you need that yard, that's when you put in Hollins" is just such an uninspiring statement to me. That's part of my point. I'd rather just have a consistently reliable WR3 to lean on.

I disagree with you that someone who isn't reliable but has some YAC ability is what you want in a WR3. You don't "want" unreliable in any role. But that skill set you describe, IMO, is what fits in WR4, not WR3. I think you want to be able to run a consistently reliable 3 WR set. Your #4 guy can be someone like Douglas that you mix in for package plays. So go get someone to complete your "standard" 3 WR set. Douglas can be #4 and a package player. Hollins can stay active on gamedays and continue serving as basically the third TE with his STs contributions and playing time in short yardage/goal line situations. But solidify WR with a legit, consistent option there.

This would push Kyle Williams to gameday inactive, which his currently level of play warrants. Chism maybe off the roster and to the practice squad, which as much as people love him, is what his level of play warrants right now. But maybe his return role keeps him on for now and they have to release some other back of the roster guy.

 

[DaBruinz]

I hate when people do this. The 2001 Pats won with weak "weapons". There have been isolated teams to win with bad OL. The Ravens won with Dilfer at QB. We won a SB with Troy Brown at nickel CB. You shouldn't pick out weak examples of teams that won and use that as something to emulate

And I hate when people can't be bothered to read what's actually stated and insist on making up illogical nonsense.

No where did say that the Pats should emulate the 2001 Patriots. What I stated was that this group of receivers is far better than that group.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Walker, specifically, would be such a shrewd move.

Shrewd for us, inexcusable for Seattle.
Walker is bettering Charbonnet by 2 yds/carry. Charb has been ass. Seattle is a good team, they aren’t trading their #1 RB.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Preach Brother preach: though I feel Pop Douglas has arrived. I think he maybe finally getting McDaniels Offense. Your concerns on Tarzan Mack Hollins and KW are valid.

It'd certainly be welcome if he does "figure it out". Even so, there is some diminishing returns there because Diggs is super effective out of the slot. If the 3 WR package includes Douglas, then Diggs can't play the slot unless you take Douglas out for Hollins which just recreates the issue. So even if Douglas does emerge as a solidified member of the 3 WR set, that's going to force us to go away from something that's been working well too.

So even if Douglas emerges, they should probably still get someone better than Hollins to rotate in so they can still use Diggs in the slot in 3 WR packages - either a pure outside guy or at least someone with more inside/outside versatility than Douglas is ever going to bring. That's what Kyle Williams, in theory, should be doing now but he isn't ready.

The reality is, Bourne should be on the team in that role. He should have gotten Chism's roster spot who should be on the practice squad. Hollins can stay because his roster spot really is more of the third TE spot than the 6th WR. If they absolutely LOVED Chism so much and were scared to lose him (which his playing time doesn't indicate), then make a tough cut somewhere else.