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Bills fans did. That seems to be a lot of the sentiment on their board. That the Bills had shown signs that they have some big weaknesses, particularly on defense.

They sure seem to hate their OC and HC a lot. They say the HC will only let the front office draft his kind of players, but it's all become a formula that other teams have no problem figuring out.
 
This isn't something you *actually* care about. It's SamBam-level trolling, and you're actually better than that.





No, not really. Not any-F'n-more he's not. In fact from a pure volume standpoint he's far worse than Sam... by a lot.
I've had it with all the taste great/less filling ******** and the monkeys flinging their poop back and forth. Why the hell are we showing the selfish aholes the least bit of consideration or concern when they've made it abundantly clear they have none for us? I used to respect some of those infants, they killed that **** dead. The patient man has been made furious now I'm all...



If they weren't able to create threads that would at least allow the rest of us to put them on ignore. But they can and the putz you're engaging with knows it and takes full advantage. You think it's a coincidence he always makes sure he's the one creating pre game threads every week instead of having the decency to wait for a mod to do it? That's a real jack-off move. With the team picking up I don't know as @Ian has noticed a drop off in site traffic because of the infantile BS but I know I've noticed the same thing that happened when the assclown posse was running roughshod over this place during Covid, quality regulars are posting less. They're disappearing for stretches at a time or in some cases altogether. I was one of the guys that just stopped visiting back then and in spite of being excited about the team now I'm considering it again except this time I probably won't wander back. Think about some of the more intelligent and engaging posters here and you'll realize a good portion aren't posting anywhere near as much as they used to so I know I'm not alone.

I'm angry at the sheer rudeness of it now but when the day comes I won't leave here angry, just sad.
 
One question I have. What changed between the halves? 135 yards of offense in the first half and 6 points despite 2 bills turnovers.

You know it's true. I anointed you High Priest of the Cult of Vertical Routeness for a reason. Either own that **** or head to a Wide Receiver Worshipers Anonymous meeting and get help.
weird flex considering the first time in forever we had a good looking wr we won our biggest game in half a decade
 
One question I have. What changed between the halves? 135 yards of offense in the first half and 6 points despite 2 bills turnovers.

weird flex considering the first time in forever we had a good looking wr we won our biggest game in half a decade
It's buried in the thread now thanks to the monkeys escaping, but here:

 
Rookie All-22 Review Bills Game

Will Campbell-Statement game for Pats and Statement game for Will Campbell. Best game he played this year and against probably the toughest pass rusher he's had to face in Bosa. He missed 2nd level run block on 1 play and his guy got around the edge to chase Maye on another. Otherwise, was pretty dominate. It was a Pro Bowl level game

Jared Wilson-Good game, but not up to the Cambell level. Overall, very good Pass Pro. Did miss stunt pickup late in the game. He doesn't move people in run game as well as Campbell, but he is solid and quick to get to the second level when asked, doesn't always block the guy when getting there as he missed a couple blocks at the second level but he gets there quickly.

Tre Henderson-On the toss play run you saw his burst and speed. Need to have more plays to get him to the outside. Hits the hole hard, has not fumbled since Freshman year of college or something like that. They had him chip a couple of times which he did well, had 1 pass pro on a blitz, hit his guy but then guy got off initial hit and got by him but by then Drake was long gone as that was the play Campbell got beat a bit around the edge and Drake had been flushed. Also on the flea flicker, after he passed it back to Drake he stared at Drake while a defended ran right by him. He needed to turn around and start blocking, not be a spectator. Pass patterns were mostly as an outlet short. Like to see some wheel routes. Seems to be a guy getting you 3 yards up the middle and falling forward and then can pop one 70 yards. Hoping he does the big run soon but need to get him to the edge more.

Kyle Williams-Feels similar to Tre, he's a big play waiting to happen. Only in on 11 plays and one was the Lowe false start so technically 10 plays. He was open at least twice for big plays down the field but those were plays Bils put pressure on pretty quickly. Had a couple other routes he was open, his routes tend to be more down the field and take longer to develop. He is showing some ability to get off the line and to get open. It's 9 pass plays so only so much to look at but he looks like he has some potential, just needs to get more chances. I'd be shocked if him and Henderson don't have a big play each at some point. Unfortunately, all he has now is potential, hopefully he'll play more as season goes on and we'll see how he does.

Joshua Farmer-He's a rotational guy. Generally, holds his ground on run plays though was blown back on one of his 18 plays. Not much of a pass rusher, pretty much has the bull rush and no other moves. Hustles every play, of course the roughing penalty was not good. Currently he's a solid rotational guy that can play the run at a solid NFL level. Will see if he can develop into more as time goes on. Shows some good quickness and power in flashes, needs to learn some pass rush technique. He did vacate his rush lane and Allen went on a scramble right thru it on 1 play.

Elijah Ponder-12 plays on defense so not much to get out of the film other than no glaring mistakes, looks like an NFL player, has a better pass rush than Farmer. I expect he can also grow into a solid rotational guy, which you need on your roster.

Craig Woodson-Basically plays every down on defense and special teams. Successful draft pick. That being said not the fastest, or the hardest hitter or the best cover guy but solid enough at all of it. In the 3rd quarter he was beat on a double move, but Allen never looked his way. If he had looked we might be looking at Woodson's play a little differently. Otherwise, was solid in coverage when he had to cover but many times was the deep safety in zone. Was more involved in run support than previous weeks. He did have a weak tackle attempt on 1 play but had a couple good ones as well. You can see him communicating well and seems to understand what he's seeing from the offense. Pair him with a playmaking safety and you'd have a great tandem because Woodson is more conservative in his approach.

Borregales-I commented after the early season struggles I thought he looked like and NFL kicker. He was coming back and nailing kicks after missing one and the ball seems to jump off the foot like you want it to. He continues to show that but now he's hitting the kicks.
Also had great kickoff depth on last kickoff to help waste clock. He's obviously looking better and to hit such a great kick, down the middle and good from 90 (LOL) in that environment and to do a game winner like that for the first time is pretty impressive. A very stressful kick and good sign that he not only got it but got it easily. Snap from Ashby was perfect also.

Not a small thing if you can nail down Long Snapper and Placekicker for the future in your first draft.

Getting a stud LT and a good starting LG the same year is phenomenal. Need 1-2 more of these type drafts.
 


No, not really. Not any-F'n-more he's not. In fact from a pure volume standpoint he's far worse than Sam... by a lot.
I've had it with all the taste great/less filling ******** and the monkeys flinging their poop back and forth. Why the hell are we showing the selfish aholes the least bit of consideration or concern when they've made it abundantly clear they have none for us? I used to respect some of those infants, they killed that **** dead. The patient man has been made furious now I'm all...



If they weren't able to create threads that would at least allow the rest of us to put them on ignore. But they can and the putz you're engaging with knows it and takes full advantage. You think it's a coincidence he always makes sure he's the one creating pre game threads every week instead of having the decency to wait for a mod to do it? That's a real jack-off move. With the team picking up I don't know as @Ian has noticed a drop off in site traffic because of the infantile BS but I know I've noticed the same thing that happened when the assclown posse was running roughshod over this place during Covid, quality regulars are posting less. They're disappearing for stretches at a time or in some cases altogether. I was one of the guys that just stopped visiting back then and in spite of being excited about the team now I'm considering it again except this time I probably won't wander back. Think about some of the more intelligent and engaging posters here and you'll realize a good portion aren't posting anywhere near as much as they used to so I know I'm not alone.

I'm angry at the sheer rudeness of it now but when the day comes I won't leave here angry, just sad.
I muted sb1 during BB's last season. I do not regret that one bit.
 
Rookie All-22 Review Bills Game

Will Campbell-Statement game for Pats and Statement game for Will Campbell. Best game he played this year and against probably the toughest pass rusher he's had to face in Bosa. He missed 2nd level run block on 1 play and his guy got around the edge to chase Maye on another. Otherwise, was pretty dominate. It was a Pro Bowl level game

Jared Wilson-Good game, but not up to the Cambell level. Overall, very good Pass Pro. Did miss stunt pickup late in the game. He doesn't move people in run game as well as Campbell, but he is solid and quick to get to the second level when asked, doesn't always block the guy when getting there as he missed a couple blocks at the second level but he gets there quickly.

Tre Henderson-On the toss play run you saw his burst and speed. Need to have more plays to get him to the outside. Hits the hole hard, has not fumbled since Freshman year of college or something like that. They had him chip a couple of times which he did well, had 1 pass pro on a blitz, hit his guy but then guy got off initial hit and got by him but by then Drake was long gone as that was the play Campbell got beat a bit around the edge and Drake had been flushed. Also on the flea flicker, after he passed it back to Drake he stared at Drake while a defended ran right by him. He needed to turn around and start blocking, not be a spectator. Pass patterns were mostly as an outlet short. Like to see some wheel routes. Seems to be a guy getting you 3 yards up the middle and falling forward and then can pop one 70 yards. Hoping he does the big run soon but need to get him to the edge more.

Kyle Williams-Feels similar to Tre, he's a big play waiting to happen. Only in on 11 plays and one was the Lowe false start so technically 10 plays. He was open at least twice for big plays down the field but those were plays Bils put pressure on pretty quickly. Had a couple other routes he was open, his routes tend to be more down the field and take longer to develop. He is showing some ability to get off the line and to get open. It's 9 pass plays so only so much to look at but he looks like he has some potential, just needs to get more chances. I'd be shocked if him and Henderson don't have a big play each at some point. Unfortunately, all he has now is potential, hopefully he'll play more as season goes on and we'll see how he does.

Joshua Farmer-He's a rotational guy. Generally, holds his ground on run plays though was blown back on one of his 18 plays. Not much of a pass rusher, pretty much has the bull rush and no other moves. Hustles every play, of course the roughing penalty was not good. Currently he's a solid rotational guy that can play the run at a solid NFL level. Will see if he can develop into more as time goes on. Shows some good quickness and power in flashes, needs to learn some pass rush technique. He did vacate his rush lane and Allen went on a scramble right thru it on 1 play.

Elijah Ponder-12 plays on defense so not much to get out of the film other than no glaring mistakes, looks like an NFL player, has a better pass rush than Farmer. I expect he can also grow into a solid rotational guy, which you need on your roster.

Craig Woodson-Basically plays every down on defense and special teams. Successful draft pick. That being said not the fastest, or the hardest hitter or the best cover guy but solid enough at all of it. In the 3rd quarter he was beat on a double move, but Allen never looked his way. If he had looked we might be looking at Woodson's play a little differently. Otherwise, was solid in coverage when he had to cover but many times was the deep safety in zone. Was more involved in run support, did have a weak tackle attempt on 1 play there but had a few good ones as well. You can see him communicating well and seems to understand what he's seeing from the offense. Pair him with a playmaking safety and you'd have a great tandem because Woodson is more conservative in his approach.

Borregales-I commented after the early season struggles I thought he looked like and NFL kicker. He was coming back and nailing kicks after missing one and the ball seems to jump off the foot like you want it to. He continues to show that but now he's hitting the kicks.
Also had great kickoff depth on last kickoff to help waste clock. He's obviously looking better and to hit such a great kick, down the middle and good from 90 (LOL) in that environment and to do a game winner like that for the first time is pretty impressive. A very stressful kick and good sign that he got it but got it easily. Snap from Ashby was perfect also.

Not a small thing if you can nail down Long Snapper and Placekicker for the future in your first draft.

Getting a stud LT and a good starting LG the same year is phenomenal. Need 1-2 more of these type drafts.
Thank you.
I'm curious if you saw in Bradbury what I did, especially in the first half.
 
The Patriots pressure scheme was designed to do that.. if you noticed they weren't going to be do aggressively with the rush because Allen would gash them

So it's a controlled rush.. and mirror it with coverage.. the bills only got pressure when they rushed 5 or more blitzing.. Campbell was pancaking guys.

Drake was eating them up when the bills blitzed. We don't need a let down.. need to continue the momentum.. guys love the feel of winning and they will chase that feeling each week.
That's insightful. Thanks.
 
Thank you.
I'm curious if you saw in Bradbury what I did, especially in the first half.
I only looked at the rookies, if I have time I then go back and look at the non-rookies, usually starting with Maye and then guys I might have interest in. Busy week this week so not sure if and when I'll get a chance/
 
I only looked at the rookies, if I have time I then go back and look at the non-rookies, usually starting with Maye and then guys I might have interest in. Busy week this week so not sure if and when I'll get a chance/
If you do, let me know. I thought Bradbury was phenomenal in the run game, and pretty good in pass protection, especially in the first half, but only watching the broadcast I'm sure I missed something.
 

There's a button for that, which anyone can do at any time, and it can make whoever you don't like disappear.

The mute button doesn't hide threads, but the ignore button does. If someone is muted forum-wide or blocked and they start a thread, you'll still see the thread, but the OP or any posts from that person once you click into that thread won't be visible. That was a key difference I made sure of when I added it.

Respectfully, that **** doesn't work the way it should. I 100% agree with the previous poster, the pre and post game threads would be better if they were 'official' as in mod/admin created. Clown posse knows it and is working the system
 
It’s all a matter of perspective. The Bills took a page out of our book and played very undisciplined ball last night…it happens.

On the other hand, we kept them in the game in the 4th quarter with some dumb penalties also (we still have to clean that up).

In the end, it was a close game by two pretty even teams. We performed in the clutch to pull out the victory. It’s a two horse race for the division.

It’s nice to finally see that we are legit contenders again. This season will be fun knowing that we’re only going to get better for years to come.
Bills fans are starting to go into panic mode. When Brady left they owned the division, but yet, no Super Bowls They thought they'd own the AFC East for a few more years to come, but suddenly the Patriots are in their rear view mirror and are closing the gap, with an improving QB and a better head coach than they have.
 


No, not really. Not any-F'n-more he's not. In fact from a pure volume standpoint he's far worse than Sam... by a lot.
I've had it with all the taste great/less filling ******** and the monkeys flinging their poop back and forth. Why the hell are we showing the selfish aholes the least bit of consideration or concern when they've made it abundantly clear they have none for us? I used to respect some of those infants, they killed that **** dead. The patient man has been made furious now I'm all...



If they weren't able to create threads that would at least allow the rest of us to put them on ignore. But they can and the putz you're engaging with knows it and takes full advantage. You think it's a coincidence he always makes sure he's the one creating pre game threads every week instead of having the decency to wait for a mod to do it? That's a real jack-off move. With the team picking up I don't know as @Ian has noticed a drop off in site traffic because of the infantile BS but I know I've noticed the same thing that happened when the assclown posse was running roughshod over this place during Covid, quality regulars are posting less. They're disappearing for stretches at a time or in some cases altogether. I was one of the guys that just stopped visiting back then and in spite of being excited about the team now I'm considering it again except this time I probably won't wander back. Think about some of the more intelligent and engaging posters here and you'll realize a good portion aren't posting anywhere near as much as they used to so I know I'm not alone.

I'm angry at the sheer rudeness of it now but when the day comes I won't leave here angry, just sad.
Ya you sure figured me out chief I'm creating pre game threads just to be an ******* to everyone. Right.

Tell you what if I trigger you that much I'll block you. That way you won't whine and be triggered cause you won't be able to see my posts and I won't have to read a wall of text whining about me. Shame cause you're otherwise a good poster.
 
Respectfully, that **** doesn't work the way it should. I 100% agree with the previous poster, the pre and post game threads would be better if they were 'official' as in mod/admin created. Clown posse knows it and is working the system
Yes please. Would be great if only mods created pre/post game threads.
 
I muted sb1 during BB's last season. I do not regret that one bit.

I don't know if it is a browser issue or what all I know is it doesn't work right for me. The well belongs to @Ian if he's willing to let it be continuously poisoned that's up to him. All I can do is choose to get my water elsewhere
 
Ya you sure figured me out chief I'm creating pre game threads just to be an ******* to everyone. Right.

Tell you what if I trigger you that much I'll block you. That way you won't whine and be triggered cause you won't be able to see my posts and I won't have to read a wall of text whining about me. Shame cause you're otherwise a good poster.

And you used to be.
 
Bills fans are starting to go into panic mode. When Brady left they owned the division, but yet, no Super Bowls They thought they'd own the AFC East for a few more years to come, but suddenly the Patriots are in their rear view mirror and are closing the gap, with an improving QB and a better head coach than they have.
They're still my AFC pick. I remember how bad the Pats offense looked in 2018 until late in the season so I'm sure a well coached team like them can also figure stuff out.
 
Rookie All-22 Review Bills Game

Will Campbell-Statement game for Pats and Statement game for Will Campbell. Best game he played this year and against probably the toughest pass rusher he's had to face in Bosa. He missed 2nd level run block on 1 play and his guy got around the edge to chase Maye on another. Otherwise, was pretty dominate. It was a Pro Bowl level game

Jared Wilson-Good game, but not up to the Cambell level. Overall, very good Pass Pro. Did miss stunt pickup late in the game. He doesn't move people in run game as well as Campbell, but he is solid and quick to get to the second level when asked, doesn't always block the guy when getting there as he missed a couple blocks at the second level but he gets there quickly.

Tre Henderson-On the toss play run you saw his burst and speed. Need to have more plays to get him to the outside. Hits the hole hard, has not fumbled since Freshman year of college or something like that. They had him chip a couple of times which he did well, had 1 pass pro on a blitz, hit his guy but then guy got off initial hit and got by him but by then Drake was long gone as that was the play Campbell got beat a bit around the edge and Drake had been flushed. Also on the flea flicker, after he passed it back to Drake he stared at Drake while a defended ran right by him. He needed to turn around and start blocking, not be a spectator. Pass patterns were mostly as an outlet short. Like to see some wheel routes. Seems to be a guy getting you 3 yards up the middle and falling forward and then can pop one 70 yards. Hoping he does the big run soon but need to get him to the edge more.

Kyle Williams-Feels similar to Tre, he's a big play waiting to happen. Only in on 11 plays and one was the Lowe false start so technically 10 plays. He was open at least twice for big plays down the field but those were plays Bils put pressure on pretty quickly. Had a couple other routes he was open, his routes tend to be more down the field and take longer to develop. He is showing some ability to get off the line and to get open. It's 9 pass plays so only so much to look at but he looks like he has some potential, just needs to get more chances. I'd be shocked if him and Henderson don't have a big play each at some point. Unfortunately, all he has now is potential, hopefully he'll play more as season goes on and we'll see how he does.

Joshua Farmer-He's a rotational guy. Generally, holds his ground on run plays though was blown back on one of his 18 plays. Not much of a pass rusher, pretty much has the bull rush and no other moves. Hustles every play, of course the roughing penalty was not good. Currently he's a solid rotational guy that can play the run at a solid NFL level. Will see if he can develop into more as time goes on. Shows some good quickness and power in flashes, needs to learn some pass rush technique. He did vacate his rush lane and Allen went on a scramble right thru it on 1 play.

Elijah Ponder-12 plays on defense so not much to get out of the film other than no glaring mistakes, looks like an NFL player, has a better pass rush than Farmer. I expect he can also grow into a solid rotational guy, which you need on your roster.

Craig Woodson-Basically plays every down on defense and special teams. Successful draft pick. That being said not the fastest, or the hardest hitter or the best cover guy but solid enough at all of it. In the 3rd quarter he was beat on a double move, but Allen never looked his way. If he had looked we might be looking at Woodson's play a little differently. Otherwise, was solid in coverage when he had to cover but many times was the deep safety in zone. Was more involved in run support than previous weeks. He did have a weak tackle attempt on 1 play but had a couple good ones as well. You can see him communicating well and seems to understand what he's seeing from the offense. Pair him with a playmaking safety and you'd have a great tandem because Woodson is more conservative in his approach.

Borregales-I commented after the early season struggles I thought he looked like and NFL kicker. He was coming back and nailing kicks after missing one and the ball seems to jump off the foot like you want it to. He continues to show that but now he's hitting the kicks.
Also had great kickoff depth on last kickoff to help waste clock. He's obviously looking better and to hit such a great kick, down the middle and good from 90 (LOL) in that environment and to do a game winner like that for the first time is pretty impressive. A very stressful kick and good sign that he not only got it but got it easily. Snap from Ashby was perfect also.

Not a small thing if you can nail down Long Snapper and Placekicker for the future in your first draft.

Getting a stud LT and a good starting LG the same year is phenomenal. Need 1-2 more of these type drafts.
I'm curious to know whether the Bills WR's like Shakira was using pick plays to get open? There was only a few times I saw where the Pats CB's got beat when manned up.
 
They're still my AFC pick. I remember how bad the Pats offense looked in 2018 until late in the season so I'm sure a well coached team like them can also figure stuff out.
It's still a long season, but it's still there's for the taking by default. Ravens are imploding, Bengals have already tapped out, Chargers have too many injuries and Texans are hanging on for dear life. Steelers and Colts aren't taken seriously by anyone. Chiefs could came back out of nowhere as well.

However, if the Pats go on a run and beat the Bills again, I'd panic if I were a Bills fan.
 
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