Injury Creates Starting Opportunity For Former Patriots Quarterback (Mac Jones)

[signbabybrady]

Stop caring is probably too harsh in fairness. I would say it would be he put his own personal needs over winning. In 2022, the best thing for this team especially if he didn't have faith in Mac Jones would have been to hire a top up and coming offensive mind who could either develop Mac or minimize liabilities. He chose to go with Matt Patricia because was comfortable for him whether it be that he was concerned that a hotshot OC would leave after a couple of years or might be a threat to his job or he just didn't want to work with someone he didn't know. But it was putting his needs over the needs of the team.

That's thing you look back at things in this big picture lense and attribute BS that just doesn't exist.

In 2022 off-season he was coming off the rookie year and Josh left. Bill decided to try something that worked for Brady by putting a defensive guy who could give him a different prospective. He way over played his hand by making him OC instead of just QB coach. I also think the emergency nature of Rhebein's passing left no opportunity for second guessing. It was just an unfortunate event.

You guys want to act like this was some sort of intentional thing done out of spite or something.

I've never pretended it was the right move but his motivations were with the best intent. Not some vengeful move to ruin Mac.

 

[sb1]

The cult thinks a coaching job is a lifetime achievement award. Lol

No thanks. I don't want 0-17 in play with Bill here and Coach Bunny on the sidelines during games.

 

[signbabybrady]

What have I made up?

And Belichick didn't do enough to get fired? Any other head coach who put Patricia in charge of the offense and the offense was such a disaster would have gotten fired. That alone was enough to get him fired. In fact, Andy Reid was fired for a similar reason in Philly. And the 2023 season was such a disaster that it would get any head coach fired. In a lot of ways, it was worse than the Mayo experiment disaster.

You're making up your own reasons for why he did these things.

And he's not any other coach he deserved way better than any other coach based on his success. He was afforded no such benefits and that is my biggest problem with all this.

 

[sb1]

The way Mac Jones was coached was something we would all laugh at if it was the Jets. You know it's true.

 

[upstater1]

Mac was excellent on Sunday. Sure it was the Saints, but Kyler Murray didn't have as good a day against them the week before.

You blame the Krafts like you claim I blame Belichick. The fact they didn't stop Belichick from putting Patricia and Judge in charge of the offense in a crucial year for their young QB tells me that Kraft's interference is overstated. Plus, Kraft sided with Belichick against Brady.

And if Kraft told Belichick that they need to change how did the draft, it was justified. The Pats haven't had a great draft since 2012 (and that was mostly because they drafted Chandler Jones and Hightower in the first round). Belichick should have known that the way he was running the scouting department was antiquated. It wasn't until last year and more so this year that they finally modernized the scouting department to be on par with the teams that draft well like the Eagles.

Mac was rated 27 out of 34 QBs who played on Sunday by PFF and it's only one game.

Kraft installed Guerrero and undercut the coaches, which was noted by all involved, especially Brady, and even some of the players who had contract squabbles with Belichick noted that it was a big deal. His interference continued, from player choice to mutinies from coaches and front office people. This is no way to run a franchise. After you hire the coach and GM, you get the heck out of the way.

Eliot Wolf has been around since 2020 by the way.

 

[sb1]

Mac was rated 27 out of 34 QBs who played on Sunday by PFF and it's only one game.

He's a backup.

 

[upstater1]

That's thing you look back at things in this big picture lense and attribute BS that just doesn't exist.

In 2022 off-season he was coming off the rookie year and Josh left. Bill decided to try something that worked for Brady by putting a defensive guy who could give him a different prospective. He way over played his hand by making him OC instead of just QB coach. I also think the emergency nature of Rhebein's passing left no opportunity for second guessing. It was just an unfortunate event.

You guys want to act like this was some sort of intentional thing done out of spite or something.

I've never pretended it was the right move but his motivations were with the best intent. Not some vengeful move to ruin Mac.

And like I said about Mac, I immediately noted after the 1st game that season that Mac was not the right guy.

I broke down and analyzed his performance almost play by play. He was always skittish, even in his rookie year.

 

[signbabybrady]

The cult thinks a coaching job is a lifetime achievement award. Lol

No thanks. I don't want 0-17 in play with Bill here and Bunny on the sidelines during games.

More made up stuff. Now you've got Bill going 0-17.

And you continue to repeat the BS that Jordan was on the sidelines during the game. The clip was pregame and I've shown dozens of pictures of other coaches having their significant others on sidelines pregame.

Including one of Bill with Linda but funny how no one thought it was a problem then. Its only a thing now that you guys want to hate on him.

But please carry on like I'm the one making things up.

 

[signbabybrady]

The way Mac Jones was coached was something we would all laugh at if it was the Jets. You know it's true.

This ignores the 50 years of being run like a joke. The Jets are in no way a comp for this situation. Off the top of my head the better comp would be something like the Steelers picking a QB from the XFL in Tommy Maddox. That's pretty unconventional like putting a DC in as OC.

 

[Rob0729]

That's thing you look back at things in this big picture lense and attribute BS that just doesn't exist.

In 2022 off-season he was coming off the rookie year and Josh left. Bill decided to try something that worked for Brady by putting a defensive guy who could give him a different prospective. He way over played his hand by making him OC instead of just QB coach. I also think the emergency nature of Rhebein's passing left no opportunity for second guessing. It was just an unfortunate event.

You guys want to act like this was some sort of intentional thing done out of spite or something.

I've never pretended it was the right move but his motivations were with the best intent. Not some vengeful move to ruin Mac.

When did it work for Brady? What are you talking about? Are you talking about Charlie Weis? Charlie Weis had many years coaching offenses including under Parcells when was in New England. Josh McDaniels spent a season as QB coach before he became unofficial OC. Bill O'Brien had many years of offensive experience including being Brady's QB coach after Rehbein died. John Hufnagel replaced O'Brien in 2003 and McDaniels replaced him in 2004. And Brady was a three time Super Bowl champion at the point of his first OC change, it wasn't his second year.

And a second year QB doesn't need a "different perspective" from a defensive guy trying to implement a new system that no one on the Patriots' coaching staff had any experience running. He needed someone who knew about the offense and the QB to develop him just like Brady with true offensive coaches like Weis, Rehbein, O'Brien, and Hufnagel in his initial years.

Belichick did this because it was what made comfortable. He knew Patricia wasn't going to leave after a year or two. He wanted the guy he felt comfortable with.

Stop accusing people of rewriting history when you are doing it yourself. Brady never had a defensive coach being his QB coach or OC until at after his second Super Bowl win. Calling Josh a defensive coach is a little misleading if that is where you are going since he had only been coaching for three years (one as go-fer) when he was made QB coach and at that point Brady was already a top QB in the league.

 

[Bill Lee]

Stop saying I am a hater. I am not. I am speaking the truth. You have a narrative that Mac Jones just sucked and Kraft undermined Belichick and without that Belichick would have been successful.

What makes him a bad-faith troll is that he labels anyone offering a critique of Bill as a "hater".

Don't let that trigger you. As the saying goes, don't feed the troll.

 

[Rob0729]

Mac was rated 27 out of 34 QBs who played on Sunday by PFF and it's only one game.

Kraft installed Guerrero and undercut the coaches, which was noted by all involved, especially Brady, and even some of the players who had contract squabbles with Belichick noted that it was a big deal. His interference continued, from player choice to mutinies from coaches and front office people. This is no way to run a franchise. After you hire the coach and GM, you get the heck out of the way.

Eliot Wolf has been around since 2020 by the way.

Mac threw for 3 TDs , no INTs, completed 66.7% of his passes, and had a 113.1 QB rating. If he was rated 27th out of 34 QBs on Sunday especially after how bad guys like JJ McCarthy played (no TDs, 2 INTs, completing 52.4% of his passes), it just damning for PFF not Mac Jones. My guess is you have bad info. No way was Jones ranked 27 out of 34 QBs on Sunday.

And Belichick let Guerrerro on the sideline. He was fine with it until Alex started to train other players than Brady. And at that point, Belichick banned him from the sidelines and pretty much everything other than training Brady.

And Eliot Wolf ran Belichick's scouting department. Not his. Wolf started to change that last year, but even last year's draft was based on scouting under Belichick's system. This was the first draft that wasn't done through Belichick scouting system and looks initially to be the best draft in years or even a decade.

 

[signbabybrady]

When did it work for Brady? What are you talking about? Are you talking about Charlie Weis? Charlie Weis had many years coaching offenses including under Parcells when was in New England. Josh McDaniels spent a season as QB coach before he became unofficial OC. Bill O'Brien had many years of offensive experience including being Brady's QB coach after Rehbein died. John Hufnagel replaced O'Brien in 2003 and McDaniels replaced him in 2004. And Brady was a three time Super Bowl champion at the point of his first OC change, it wasn't his second year.

And a second year QB doesn't need a "different perspective" from a defensive guy trying to implement a new system that no one on the Patriots' coaching staff had any experience running. He needed someone who knew about the offense and the QB to develop him just like Brady with true offensive coaches like Weis, Rehbein, O'Brien, and Hufnagel in his initial years.

Belichick did this because it was what made comfortable. He knew Patricia wasn't going to leave after a year or two. He wanted the guy he felt comfortable with.

Stop accusing people of rewriting history when you are doing it yourself. Brady never had a defensive coach being his QB coach or OC until at after his second Super Bowl win. Calling Josh a defensive coach is a little misleading if that is where you are going since he had only been coaching for three years (one as go-fer) when he was made QB coach and at that point Brady was already a top QB in the league.

LOL. You're wrong.

Bill was Brady's coach after Rhebein passed away during the summer in 01.

Here is a nice clip of Brady talking about how important this was to his development.

 

[signbabybrady]

What makes him a bad-faith troll is that he labels anyone offering a critique of Bill as a "hater".

Don't let that trigger you. As the saying goes, don't feed the troll.

Correction:

I label anyone offering a critique of Bill based on their own biased made up version of events as a "hater".

If you have a better way to describe someone who makes things up to discredit someone of all their accomplishments then I might consider calling you all out as something else. But to me it looks like hate, sounds like hate, I'm going to call it hate. It's clearly not praise or anything positive that one might actually think a fan would say.

 

[Rob0729]

LOL. You're wrong.

Bill was Brady's coach after Rhebein passed away during the summer in 01.

Here is a nice clip of Brady talking about how important this was to his development.

That is my bad. I was reading something wrong.

But is because Rehbein died in August of 2001. It was too late to get a new one. Weis was the QB coach in 2002. If Belichick could have gotten a QB coach in 2001, he probably would have.

 

[sb1]

Cult: Mac Jones always sucked

Rest of us: But Bill drafted him.

Cult: ...

 

[Wozzy]

Psst! The defense fell apart after the bye . Before the bye, the Pats gave up 17.5 PPG. And in the second two games against Buffalo, the defense let Josh Allen and the Bills offense score on every drive (a TD on every drive in the playoffs). After the bye, the Pats gave up 30 PPG. You Mac haters always ignore that fact.

The Patriots in the last four under Belichick had the defense fall apart down the stretch every year except for one. That is what happened in 2021.

And you don’t see a correlation with Mac handing opponents the ball back twice a game and the defense giving up more points?

It’s an old football maxim, if you want to play better defense, play less defense. Saying Mac didn’t suck after week 13 is some next level revisionism.

 

[Rob0729]

And you don’t see a correlation with Mac handing opponents the ball back twice a game and the defense giving up more points?

It’s an old football maxim, if you want to play better defense, play less defense. Saying Mac didn’t suck after week 13 is some next level revisionism.

Mac Jones turning over the ball did not cause the Patriots defense to allow the Bills to score on every drive in two games including a TD on every drive in the playoffs.

Stop it. Mac turned over the ball more before the bye than after and the defense gave up 17.5 points per game before and over 30 points per game after. And the defense falling apart down the stretch because a staple of this defense since about 2019.

 

[Wozzy]

Cult: Mac Jones always sucked

Rest of us: But Bill drafted him.

Cult: ...

We all just have to pretend the collaboration didn’t exist or that both Bob and Bill said personnel was taken away from him. Also reports saying Bill didn’t want Mac. We have to live in fantasy land like you.

 

[signbabybrady]

That is my bad. I was reading something wrong.

But is because Rehbein died in August of 2001. It was too late to get a new one. Weis was the QB coach in 2002. If Belichick could have gotten a QB coach in 2001, he probably would have.

It still justifies why he would try something similar again. And I acknowledged he miscalculated doing it at OC and that Matty P could do it as well.

See how that works a mistake but with a reasonable explanation without having to make up some motivations about intentionally tanking Mac or not caring anymore. Things that never occurred.