OT: Josh Simmons steal of draft

[reflexblue]

after seeing that run I guess his knee is ok

 

[imahobgoblin]

What’s gross is we could have traded down and added more impact players, and get Simmons but that’s water under the bridge now.

You have to stop this absolute video game and fantasy football crap that says you can trade with anyone you want. What trade offer did we have for the #4? Go ahead and post it. What team made an offer and what was the offer? We are all waiting for you to get us the great info. If you are going to be making claims that we could have traded down, then prove it. Traded down to whom and for what?

 

[Toofy]

After the Polk debacle, no way am I open for any trade down offer in the first 2 rounds unless you get an extra first rounder or second rounder.

 

[sb1]

What’s gross is we could have traded down and added more impact players, and get Simmons but that’s water under the bridge now.

If I’m the Chiefs and I see the Patriots do that knowing what they need - I’m trading ahead of them to get Simmons… and then the Pats risk losing Campbell to another team. It’s Simmons at 4 or hope he falls to my next pick. IMO

 

[varjao]

You have to stop this absolute video game and fantasy football crap that says you can trade with anyone you want. What trade offer did we have for the #4? Go ahead and post it. What team made an offer and what was the offer? We are all waiting for you to get us the great info. If you are going to be making claims that we could have traded down, then prove it. Traded down to whom and for what?

Exactly, there was no market at all after the Jaguars/Browns trade.

 

[DC Patriots]

I’m struggling with the larger point of this thread other than as an exercise in self flagellation

 

[Toofy]

Campbell is rock solid and hopefully our LT for next decade .

This was a no brainer pick like the maye pick . Let's not be over smart like what bill did or what wolf did with McConkey. If we trade down and knowing that we had a definite alT need Simmons might have been drafted even before we drafted by someone else trading up.

 

[KCSVEN]

Just watched the full game tape for Campbell and Simmons. Overall, I think they both played well., Campbell was better in his game overall. In terms of who they went against, neither faced an elite rusher. Campbell faced Chubb a few times, Simmons was against Joshua Uche Quite a bit.

Campbell vs Simmons Run Blocking: Campbell was dominating as a run blocker. Simmons was good. There was one play they aligned Jalen Carter against him and Simmons was embarrassed, like he was not there. It is Carter though. Otherwise, was good overall. Campbell was great, got to second level and moves better than Simmons, moved his guy back, worked double teams incredibly well. Simmons had few double teams, but was able to move his guy enough on most plays. Pretty good edge to Campbell for this game, he was just dominating.

Campbell vs Simmons Pass Blocking: Simmons looks the part with his arm length and movement. Campbell, as we know not the same size arms. BUT Campbell is 6 foot 6 and 320, Simmons 6 foot 5 and 311. For big guys they both have good feet and movement. Campbell is a bit lighter on feet. Simmons has mastered the KC Chiefs line up in the backfield to pass block technique, he gets as far back as you can, maybe too far on some plays but not called. Campbell handled stunts well after the first 2 where the left side let 2 stunts work pretty well against them but Maye got the ball out so quick did not matter. Other than that Wilson and Campbell handled stunts and Campbell stonewalled Chubb or whomever went against him. Simmons stonewalled everybody for most of the game. Very few stunts. They had success late on stunts, but I think generally it was the entire line not communicating directly rather than Simmons. He faced Uche a ton and Jalyx Hurt (?) and was dominant pass pro vs them. Late in the game they put Nolan Smith against Simmons and Smith had a pretty high success rate. Up until that point Simmons was equal or better than Campbell but he struggled on several pass pro's vs Smith. Thus edge to Campbell in this game.

Long term: Campbell should be the better run blocker, Simmons MIGHT become the better pass blocker. Simmons currently is not better today but he has much less experience than Campbell so more chance to improve and he has the longer arms that give him a physical edge. I would guess they both will struggle with certain rushers, Simmons with the Smaller, quicker, good bend Smith types and Campbell with the Jon Greenard larger size/arm pass rush types.
Will Campbell might be an all pro run blocker in year 1 and I think he'll always be better than Simmons on that. Simmons has a 1 in 20 shot of reoccurrence of the patellar tendon tear which can't be ignored.

PFF Simmons YTD: 60.2 OVR 75.3 Pass Block and 51.4 Run Block
PFF Campbell YTD: 65.1 OVR 77.7 Pass Block 65.7 Run Block

Mind you PFF gave Will a poor 50.7 Run Block vs Miami (We will see if that gets adjusted) after a 78.2 in week 1. On film he absolutely dominated the Dolphins on run blocks. PFF just has some weeks where it is way off, but it's useful in a larger sample size.

 

[Grogan14]

K.C. Chiefs rookie Josh Simmons put together remarkable performance vs. Eagles in Week 2

Chiefs rookie Josh Simmons was a top performer in Kansas City's Week 2 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[TommyD4207]

K.C. Chiefs rookie Josh Simmons put together remarkable performance vs. Eagles in Week 2

Chiefs rookie Josh Simmons was a top performer in Kansas City's Week 2 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Grogan14]

Campbell is looking very good. But more and more it seems the Pats could have tried to find a trading partner moved down from 4 to twenties picked up extra draft capital and still picked a franchise LT

 

[TommyD4207]

Campbell is looking very good. But more and more it seems the Pats could have tried to find a trading partner moved down from 4 to twenties picked up extra draft capital and still picked a franchise LT

 

[signbabybrady]

Campbell is looking very good. But more and more it seems the Pats could have tried to find a trading partner moved down from 4 to twenties picked up extra draft capital and still picked a franchise LT

Who was paying that price to move from 20s to 4? And if you do that what stops the Chiefs from trying to leap frog us for Simmons?

 

[maust]

Campbell is looking very good. But more and more it seems the Pats could have tried to find a trading partner moved down from 4 to twenties picked up extra draft capital and still picked a franchise LT

More and more?



Honestly man, enough with this dumbass BS. Who exactly wanted to move up? What was the deal to be made?

 

[n1997y]

You have to stop this absolute video game and fantasy football crap that says you can trade with anyone you want. What trade offer did we have for the #4? Go ahead and post it. What team made an offer and what was the offer? We are all waiting for you to get us the great info. If you are going to be making claims that we could have traded down, then prove it. Traded down to whom and for what?

Heck it’s not even realistic in fantasy football. Before the opening game I proposed a trade to my opponent, Jeanty for Henderson, and didn’t even get a reply.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Campbell is looking very good. But more and more it seems the Pats could have tried to find a trading partner moved down from 4 to twenties picked up extra draft capital and still picked a franchise LT

Other people have already asked for it. Please provide us with even the slightest bit of proof there was an available trade partner. An article, tweet, rumor, dream you had, literally anything.

We're so tired of hearing about how the Pats should have traded down with absolutely nothing at any point since the draft showing someone was trying to move up.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Wrong!! Sam gives a sh*t. Sam is somebody.

 

[TommyD4207]

Wrong!! Sam gives a sh*t. Sam is somebody.

Not even Sam cares. Just more low-effort troll posting.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Other people have already asked for it. Please provide us with even the slightest bit of proof there was an available trade partner. An article, tweet, rumor, dream you had, literally anything.

We're so tired of hearing about how the Pats should have traded down with absolutely nothing at any point since the draft showing someone was trying to move up.

Hell, I'd settle for a plausible proposal for a hypothetical trade (what the offer would be, and who that team would be targeting). That's how hard it is to make it work.

 

[FoxboroFan23]

Not even the guy worth fantasizing about. The TE Warren from Penn State was probably BPA at #4 altho it's incredibly early.